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[2009-01-05 17:50:37 +0000 UTC]
"peter boneskine"
(Austria)
# Statistics
Favourites: 981; Deviations: 653; Watchers: 2223
Watching: 537; Pageviews: 406756; Comments Made: 650; Friends: 537
# About me
Current Residence: Vienna -Romemail: boneskine@aol.de
My Model: Wilkomira Pawlak, you can book her for fotoshoots
her mail: wilkomiramodel@gmail.com
her Homepage: www.wilkomira.maxmodels.pl
FB: Wilkomira Roskolnikova and Wiki Pawlak
Instagram: wilkomiraroskolnikova
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# Comments
Comments: 904
Beautiful work. Very striking. Art that isn't controversial most times just has nothing to say. Count me as a fan.
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There are some technically good photos in there, and the extremity of undernourishment is sensationally shocking. I find myself surprised that someone can be alive and that critically emaciated. I don't think anyone needs to be reminded that this look, as an ideal, is dangerous, or that the models have a life-threatening illness. The overwhelming chances are that the models depicted will never fully recover from their mental illnesses, and thereβs a very good chance they will die from them.
Photographs of the models could both attract and repel, warn of the dangers of anorexia or entice someone into starving herself. However, comments that the bodies are beautiful may feed into the mentality that drives these women/girls into starving themselves = the thinner the more beautiful, no matter how thin. Personally, I think the models look a lot like something from a horror movie, perhaps a victim barely clinging to life (which they are).
People bring up again and again that the models need help. That seems a natural enough concern. I guess the question that is really coming up is whether or not photographing these women encourages them, and others, to starve themselves nor not. Does this art glorify drastically starved bodies as an ideal of feminine beauty? Or does it not take any position (probably impossible), or is it intended to raise questions and awareness?
I see these images as tragic, but the photographs are categorized as glamour, fashion, artistic nude, and fetish. In the end, for me, Iβm more appalled than intrigued. I donβt find the models alluring at all. At the same time I wouldnβt condemn the photos outright. They would probably be more interesting to me in a body of work that dealt with the womenβs identities, and the worlds they live in, which would give more context and humanity to the subjects. There is the very real risk that, despite those who might find the women attractive, others will see them as mere freaks. I would be interested to read more of the artistβs intent, beyond codicils that the models werenβt coerced in any way.
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This comment has brilliantly portrayed my thoughts. I worry if the fetish of the artist (and several watchers) will encourage not only the models but others to destroy themselves for the sake of beauty.
i have ready whitty remarks about smoking and obesity being glorified - yet i have yet to see a picture of them being to a similar extreme as this and not getting the same concerns. I'm not tearing down this artwork, i do find certain aspects of this art beautiful, but i'm concerned because of how strongly the artist and several people are defending this lifestyle.
i hope these women get help before this obsession destroys them, and likewise i hope there is no one out there inspired to want to look like these pictures.
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, It's been proved how and why you have no idea how to look at this kind of art and in what context, and I've already pointed out how and why you misunderstood my original statement of "the unhealthy" which lead to this argument: all because you're too dense to get the point. There is nothing left to discuss, since your foundations are evidently flawed - you're just throwing excuses on a page you have no business visiting. And you say I should go away? Please, I'm just fine here on Boneskin's page. It's you who needs to leave. Go back to the kid's corner.
Really, people. Don't comment here unless you get the point of this shit. k?
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Question: Have any of your models had any heart attacks or seizures yet?
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This gallery is amazing and sparks a LOT of strong opinions on both sides. I personally do not support what these girls do, nor am I against it. It is their life not mine, I will not tell them how to live. They are not hurting anyone but themselves and it is selfish to tell them they are not allowed to. People always support obese women, and they have just as bad health problems as someone too skinny. I feel like it's rude to say this is not art because art is subjective. This IS ART. Art is meant to bring out emotion, even if it's negative.
Many people have a hard time being open minded.
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thanks so much for the watch !!
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Thank you so much for the watch
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Your gallery makes me want to go and eat McDonald's, but then I remember the inflation art that's just as gross to me, so I think I'll just go exercise. :/
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I'm all for portraying sickness in art, but when it's pictures of real people who resemble nothing but skin and bones, I feel bad for them.
I feel bad for the models.
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Wouldn't putting these women up as fashion models somehow show that they're beautiful with anorexia, when they truly are sick and need medical attention and counseling? I just don't understand how this can be good for the models....
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Whatever happened to "beautiful on the inside"? -_-
These girls are beautiful (judging by some of their faces), but their bodies are sickening when thinking of them as real people.
Anyways, I'm not sure if you're saying you think they're beautiful or not. (Your statement implies both things.)
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Anorexia is an illness. They are indeed beautiful people on the inside, but their bodies are extremely unhealthy and they need help.
I'm not sure if that's what you meant by your comment, but that's my opinion.
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Forgot to add: these shots seem to have stirred up [negative] emotions in most of the folks here. I think it's unlikely we will begin to idolize anorexia (real anorexia, not "media/fat girl's definition of anorexia").
Maybe these shots can even be used for "anti-anorexia" campaigns?
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Sadly and sickeningly a lot of photos like these are used for what other anorexics or wanna-be anorexics call "thinspersation".
And if I'm not mistaken, I believe the photographer has a fetish.
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The same could be said of obese models.
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Morbidly obese, yes. But those who are a bit chunky around the middle aren't in need of counseling or medical attention.
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If you search"BBW" on Deviant Art you will see how big women are glorified. They are very unhealthy, but they're glorified more so because it's so common.
Morbidly obese women are far more glorified than morbidly skinny. If you go to a photo of an obese female and tell her to lose weight for the sake of her health you would get flamed really badly.
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I am sorry but I refuse to find artistic value in this. To me its the same as taking photos of emaciated animals and calling it art. I feel like by looking or approving of this body type I am encouraging someone to slowly kill them self.
I take a lot of types of photography and art as a form of artistic expression but as I said, I feel like I am watching someone die and I cannot approve of it. I will not hate or bash you. I just cannot and will not tolerate this.
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I can't look at these, but these shots do have artistic merit.
Looking at them is another thing...
Anyways, I'll close this tab quick.
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I look at your gallery and I feel a sudden wave of sorrow. I want to cry but I have no idea why. These photos are very touching...
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I'll try and guess why you want to cry. Because the models are painfully thin, Because you can feel them starving and dying. I, for one, can feel my own bones inside me, pushing at my skin, and I do feel a little sick.
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Everybody has a choice in life and what each person does is entirely up to them, including if they accept help or not when faced with a problem. But please, I am begging you, do -NOT- perpetuate a serious illness by posting words like 'proud' and 'beautiful' as though it's an accomplishment to be praised rather than a life-threatening mental illness that signifies a serious need for help and support.
My aunt has been Anorexic for most of her life, it has destroyed three of her marriages, she suffers with terrible depression, she has been hospitalized and receives on-going therapy, she is on several strong medications including several for her heart and her mother (my grandmother) is likely to out-live her. Her children are sick with worry, her daughter received treatment for the same illness and fortunately 'recovered' and is now healthy although she constantly battles with her food obsession. The entire family worries about my aunt and it tears us apart inside.
You say it is artistic expression and it is a choice, that you are merely highlighting what the model wishes but that doesn't mean you have to glorify it or shine a positive light on it! As a photographer who sees these extremes and interacts with these models you should realize how utterly devastating such an illness is on these people and those around them and you should be more responsible, especially when it comes to your own personal opinions on this. If you glorify it as an accomplishment then it completely rejects the models health, wellbeing and the effect it has on those around them who love them and care about them and have to see their loved one -KILLING- themselves by the hour.
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While everything you say is rational, one should always consider that one man's phobia is another's fetish. These women with eating disorders seem to have found an environment in which they can be appreciated.
If I could breach your private life, it seems like the problem surrounding your aunt is as much that: it's SURROUNDING her. Sometimes people are fine the way they are - it's the world that makes them feel like garbage.
My reasons for appreciating skeletal bodies is my own, and every person has their reasons, but skeletal people are as much appreciated by individuals as are obese people and the bodily injured and so on. Thank heavens there are sub-cultures in the world where "the unhealthy" can feel at home. Don't you agree?
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I like how you put "unhealthy" in quotes as if its merely opinion. Actually I don't like it, I was just being ironic.
The FACT that the women in these photos are unhealthy is just that...a FACT. You first need to be mentally unhealthy to be willing to do that to yourself, and then you are physically unhealthy.
No credible doctor or physician on the planet will tell you that someone this thin is in any way healthy.
It might be your fetish, and that's one thing, but don't pretend you think these girls are healthy. Someone might just as easily have a fetish for cancer patients, and yes, cancer patients should be accepted for who they are...but healthy, they are not. The same goes for these girls.
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Nobody is completely healthy. The healthiest people alive could be considered rather strange for obsessing over their bodies as much. I do agree, these girls, though happy they seem, appear unhealthy. But, unlike you, I'm not their doctor. I don't know their medical details. Unlike you, I won't pretend to. I won't declare facts, like you are.
All the same, regardless of the facts, it is a fetish of mine. U mad?
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I'm not mad, but you sound mad. You have to be pretty damn stupid to not know enough to know that there's no possible way these girl's are healthy. They are extremely malnourished. If they were not extremely malnourished, they would have much more muscle mass, as their body would not have had to consume its own muscle tissue for sustenance.
Also, anyone this thin is also obsessing over their bodies, because under eating to the degree that your body eats ITSELF is a painful process, and not something that can be comfortably done and requires deliberate effort. You don't need to be a doctor, you just need to not be retarded and know ANYTHING about basic biology, which you apparently don't.
This isn't about 'completely' healthy...this is about anywhere in the same ballpark as healthy (these girl's are not).
I don't expect you to understand, because you're clearly pretty brainless, but you need to have something mentally wrong with YOU to be turned on by it. And no, its not a 'everyone has personal preferences' thing... 'Cause some people like to screw corpses, and that's not just a preference, that's a serious mental problem. I'd about lump you in with that category.
There's a biological evolutionarily factual reasoning behind why the 'stereotypical' things are attractive.
Large breasts and large hips are most often found to be attractive because it indicates an ability to birth children and feed them well. Thus, it has an evolutionary benefit. Preferences for hair colors and facial structures, etc are based on genome typing, as mating with someone with similar enough, but different enough genes ensures a healthier offspring.
A drive to breed with an extremely malnourished person has no evolutionary benefit, and is therefore a deviation, and not normal.
Defend it all you want, but it wont change the facts that A) these girls are extremely unhealthy and actually killing themselves, and B) yes, you actually are messed up in the head for liking it.
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I'm getting tired of justifying myself to the likes of you. If you cared enough about these models, I'm sure you'd take the matter further than simple arguments. In the end, your attitudes are different to mine, and different to the women in these photographs and that of the artist.
Perhaps we're all monsters. You're probably right. Personally, I feel that I do need help. After all, how could I fetishize this kind of bodily destruction? Deep down I feel that I do need to talk to someone... about many things.
I'll let you know if I fuck a corpse, k?
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No, I wouldn't take the matter further, because ultimately it isn't my place to dictate how they live or how they die. My point in arguing isn't to save the girls, but merely in hopes of pointing out your delusion that they could possibly be healthy that way. I don't give a rat's ass what your fetish is (as long as its legal), but why lie to yourself and everyone else?
And thanks, but no thanks.
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Why would I lie? I adore these models. I think they're beautiful <3
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You're lying because you want to make yourself sound 'normal' by insisting these girls aren't extremely unhealthy.
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Someone's health doesn't affect my opinion of their being beautiful. Healthy or not, I still find them attractive. I wonder if you lecture obese people for being unhealthy. You're certainly giving that impression.
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I'm not even lecturing the anorexic girls. You seem to be having a REALLY hard time grasping very simple concepts. You previously claimed that these girls being unhealthy was a matter of opinion. I only set about to inform YOU that it is not opinion, but fact, regardless of whether or not you find it attractive.
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And in my defense I stated that all people are unhealthy to varying degrees, and that these girls, while unhealthy (like everyone else), may be happy as they are. Your facts bare no weight on the decision of beauty - a subjective state. Do you lurk open BBW forums and lecture their fans as well with the facts - none of which people there give a toss about either?
In short, your facts don't matter. The fact is, we find this attractive.
You should toddle off now.
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Yeah, we already covered this. they are not 'unhealthy like everyone else' they are EXTREMELY unhealthy. There are nowhere within the same ballpark of healthy. You really suck at grasping simple concepts, bud.
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You're completely avoiding the point. It seems I have to be blunt because you're ignoring the real facts. Their health is irrelevant. Do you not understand?
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No, YOU'RE missing the point. The ENTIRE POINT of this discussion is to point out that regardless of how you feel about it, they are nowhere near healthy. Its fact, and not opinion. Period. That's ALL I was talking about. Like I said, you are having a real hard time with this, apparently. Maybe you have your own malnourishment robbing your brain of functionality.
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You've established that they're unhealthy. I haven't rejected this. I've simply added that everyone is unhealthy to some degree and that people can still be happy with themselves; regardless of their health issues. Thus, my point this whole time has been: their health doesn't matter.
Furthermore, my use of quotations in the term "the unhealthy" was simply a reference of what they are indeed classed and judged as regardless of their nature: unhealthy. I don't care for health. How people treat their body is up to them - so long as they're not annoying little shits, as are you. Good job carrying on with the same shit, though. I'm sure calling these women "unhealthy" would really encourage them to conform to your ideals.
I think you should just stick to your Pokemon fan-art and leave controversial art like Boneskins for serious artists to discuss.
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Wow, you're REALLY getting butthurt now. Did I hurt da pervert's poo' widdle feelings? N'awww~ poor baby...
You really CAN'T get it through your head that I was talking to YOU and ONLY to you, can you? How the flipping fuck is me talking to you, me trying to conform anorexic women? You think they're gonna drop by here and read this shit?
LAWL, yeah, you're a real 'serious artist'. You ever make any money off that garbage in your gallery? No, I didn't think so.
Please. I'm a fucking CARTOONIST and I've got better anatomy skills than you do. So go sell that 'serious artist' bullshit somewhere else.
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>Professional Eevee anatomist.
Whoa. I take you so seriously now.
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Apparently you didn't look very hard at my gallery. But I never claimed to be a 'so serious' artist. YOU did, which is what's laughable. At least I'm not pretending I'm something I'm not. But seriously, you couldn't even do what I do. I could do what you do, but I don't want to waste paint (its expensive), and plus I think it looks like garbage.
Let me spell it out for your very feeble brain, since I know by now that you have a VERY hard time connecting the dots.
I am not a serious artist, I am a cartoonist (big surprise!)...But even as a cartoonist, I have EXCEEDINGLY more talent than you do...thereby, you are even further from a 'serious artist' than I am. In conclusion, you're hilarious.
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Put my work against yours. I'm quite sure mine is more relevant while your camp trash belongs in kid's magazines. Really, I can't take you seriously when I look at your kawaii bullshit page. If you didn't claim to be female, I'd take you for a mouth-breathing neckbeard making furry commissions.
Boneskin's gallery is great. I support it. You don't, and that's fine. But I don't appreciate you twisting my words and insulting me for it. I never claimed that these women were healthy. I was simply defending them and the artist.
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Guess what... Any artist who's getting their art in a magazine...even a kid's magazine, is making MONEY. I don't give a flipping fuck if you don't like animation. My art has WAY more appeal than your wanna-be "deep" garbage.
Keep flailing around and being butthurt if you want, but its no skin off my nose. You're the one who's insecure here, not me.
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>Implying money has anything to do with great art.
LOL I think you're done here, kiddo.
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Lol, I'm older than you "kiddo". And yeah...it does have something to do with it. 'Cause if NO ONE wants to buy your shit, its because you're no damn good. Putting me down wont make your art not garbage.
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