Ravajava In reply to ??? [2011-12-17 16:47:20 +0000 UTC]

I never claimed I wanted to move on. I said that he had crossed a line and that I was going to make sure that he got whatever he had coming. He's the one who wanted to move on, because that would mean me not pushing to ban him.

Anyhow, if he were innocent, he wouldn't have ran from dA like he did.

Overall, all I was saying is that you can't pick a side because you really don't understand the situation, the historical context, or who Dark/Myself are.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-17 19:12:21 +0000 UTC]

What was coming to him? Judging from your standards, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes if you ever met him.

Did he leave because of you, or did he just get tired of all the bullshit? It's not the first time people have hassled him. He does not deal with people like that because he's immature, he does it because there are problems. Problems that have to be solved eventually.

Yeah, funny how that works out. He calls you a spoiled brat and he's a jerk, but when you go on a revenge-fuelled tangent you are completely justified.

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-17 19:41:29 +0000 UTC]

As I told Dark, I've dealt with people like him before in real life, and I don't let them get away with what they've done.

Look, dark brings the "bullshit" on himself. For example, who goes around calling the dA admins "Gay pussy British"? (he and all of his alternative accounts were banned for a month after that one) Who tries to make the argument that woman shouldn't equal to men in the workplace? Even worse, he insults anyone who questions his standpoints. You can't dance that close to a fire and not eventually be burned.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-17 21:24:24 +0000 UTC]

Well I've noticed you seem to believe you're always right. Not exactly a people skill.

You know, you talk way too much for someone who can't bring proof to his arguments. I hardly feel the need to take you at your word.

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-17 21:41:55 +0000 UTC]

"Maybe nothing justifies that. Maybe. But how do you plead to allegations that you stole art? Does anything justify taking other people's art and passing it off as yours?"

Should have known you were a lost cause right then (because NOTHING could ever justify, NOTHING within the bounds of reason possible could). Dark didn't have to provide you with proof, but you hold me on a separate standard. I invited you to find your own answers by comparing our gallery's, gave you the pages which showed the very things Dark did wrong... but you had a predefined conclusion, ignoring reason, logic or evidence so you can stay with this conclusion.

Since you and Dark are birds of a feather, I'll let you have at it hoss.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-17 22:24:35 +0000 UTC]

He didn't have to give me proof. The minute you showed up with this "You're a dick if you don't join my side" rubbish, which tells me you were not only trolling his deviation but also stalking me since you knew where I was, I had all the proof I needed.

Pfft! Just who do you think you are? Some kind of saint? You're just the same as anyone - an animal who is predetermined by nature to argue not to seek out the truth, but to win an argument you started with me! (if you doubt me, just take a look at this. [link] ) Like that's anything special! Everyone's like that, because people who gave in when arguments took place were quietly bred out of evolution. It's so deeply engrained, you may not even realise you've been doing this the whole time.

You've been all over his account trying to cause trouble, and one comment from me that you didn't like is enough to prompt a tangent? Stop barking at me for a minute and consider that. What might it say about you?

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-18 00:06:04 +0000 UTC]

WOAH dude. Not at all what I was getting to. Now I understand that you don't understand my angle. I was getting to, "I don't think you understand the situation, so I suggest you stay out of it."

Now, I'm here to question you. I came here to question what sort of person would stand by someone who said this [link] It bothered me that someone would look at this and say "The kid who posted that, he's just miserable" Even if Dark is a friend, you can't stand by him if he said these things.

I said remove all possible politics and just look at what he said. Even if you wanted to stand by Dark, a commendable act, the better route would have been to stay quite, not stand beside the bad guy.

But, all of this is irrelevant now. Dark's gone.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-18 12:31:35 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, he's gone. Gone forever. So how does that make you feel, personal grudges aside, that you bullied him off the internet?

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-18 12:47:48 +0000 UTC]

Lol, gone forever? Dark is a bit smarter then that. He just made more accounts, found one last night as a matter a fact, he just started reposting most of his better works on it. I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of them even

But, suggesting he was "gone forever" and I put aside all personal grudges, I'd feel it was still necessary, looking at what he did. Hence why I can't understand why you wouldn't have done the same.

So, answer me this. If I'd posted the same poll about Irish people, had made pedo comments about your sisters and then done a smear campaign against you, would you have not reacted similarly to how I have?

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-18 13:27:05 +0000 UTC]

Oh please, don't give me more credit than I'm due. I can't draw to save my life.

I'll tell you why I wouldn't do the same, for the following reasons:

1. Irish people have flexible senses of humour, even with people like you.
2. I don't have any sisters! Shows you how much you think you know about me.
3. Heh, that campaign wouldn't prompt me to go off on a mad tangent against you. I'd just go with it, have a laugh. What would be the point in getting angry?

It's quite a grudge you've got there by the way.

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-18 14:40:41 +0000 UTC]

In similar fashion

1. He wasn't attempting to be funny. Anyone with a hint of pride in there nation is going to that as offensive. You obviously aren't very patriotic... idk, maybe that works for you.

2. That doesn't really matter. And I'm not going around trying to find all your personal information. Not a stalker.

3. Once again, there isn't a single patriotic streak in you. Or you're once again ignoring logic or reason to arrive at a predetermined conclusion. Because a lot of people, American, Canadian, Australian, Chinese, they all thought what Dark did was worthy of a ban, but you can't see that, or don't want to see it.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-18 14:51:14 +0000 UTC]

1. Patriotism? I'm proud of Ireland, but getting angry over something like that? U mad? Besides, just because it wasn't a joke, doesn't mean I can't laugh at it.
2. Well since you felt the need to mention it, I responded.
3. Are you kidding? Allegorically spitting at someone just because they insulted your country is not patriotism. It's being easily offended. There is a difference. And if you really thought he was so troll-like, you should have simply dealt with the problem the way Internet users are supposed to deal with trolls (ignore them).
I see it, I just don't think crying over spilt milk is very mature.

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-18 15:04:06 +0000 UTC]

Funny you say that... dA recently posted that you're supposed to report/block them. Which is what I did.

While you may see the internet as an open place without rules, where freedom of speech still exists, I do not. This website has rules, and if they are broken, then the perpetrator should pay a price. Why else would dA have rules? It's a slippery slope. We could also end up dealing with pornography, more brutal forms of racism and hate, and further degradation of the term "art". You have to uphold the rules that dA has set out, or there is no purpose for rules.

While I now understand where you are coming from, I strongly disagree with you. And, you are not patriotic in the slightest... or you have a very different definition of patriotism from the rest of society... or the official meaning at that. Because someone who suggests that your people are "subhuman" certainly is attacking your country. And in the land of the internet, the best weapons are the enemies very own words.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-18 19:15:23 +0000 UTC]

You don't get it, do you? They can always come back. That particular happy ending doesn't realise it lets the bad guy win. Because they can always follow you to another website or come back under a different email. I have two.

While I believe there are problems that should be solved, human rights prevent the people in charge from doing anything. And you can't stop long handed down Internet traditions.

Oh shut it, since when has taking pride in your country to the militant stage done anything but cause war, civilian casualties and discrimination? Tell me that, when? I only need to look at my own beloved Éirin's Isle to see that. We must have had at least a dozen different rebellions and all we have to show for it is civilians getting slaughtered, discrimination of certain groups and tyrannous rule by Britain. So there, Mr Patriotic.

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-18 23:11:26 +0000 UTC]

Well, as you can imagine, Dark wasn't your standard troll. He took his status on this site more seriously then anyone should. So, getting rid of his Alpha account was a victory.

Militant? All I did was show the world what Dark did. Heck, I didn't even slander him (on the other hand, what did Dark do again?) I just made what he did known to the general populace. Hardly militant.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-19 17:56:26 +0000 UTC]

Oh, so now this is a game of winners and losers? Is that what you're saying?

Well patriotism is just that: proclaiming your country's agenda and traditions are better than anyone else's. And it causes war. And war causes suffering. What do you think you're some kind of hero now?

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-19 20:26:50 +0000 UTC]

Isn't humanity defined by the winners and losers? From nations to individuals, we are defined by winners and losers. So, yes, it is a game of winners and losers. Did I expect it to escalate to this, not really, but that was Dark's own doing. I just responded using his own words against him.

Your own definition of patriotism is irrelevant, I'm going to go by the one shown in the dictionary thank you very much. You're thinking of chauvinism, which this clearly wasn't.

So, another English lesson with Ravajava is in order!

Patriotism: National loyalty, devoted love, defense and support of ones country.

Nationalism: Excessive patriotism.

Chauvinism: Zealous and aggressive patriotism or blind enthusiasm for military glory.

According to your response and the definitions, you aren't patriotic. Also, according to history, patriotism is a good thing that never hurt anyone. Primarily because patriotism still leaves room for one to say "Well, that country is better at this or, they were right about that". For example, I think Germany has a better form of Government, Norway has a better health care system, Sweden has a better education system, I also think we are wrong to support Israel, just to name a few things.

Am I a hero? No. did I do the right thing? Hell yes.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-19 20:58:53 +0000 UTC]

How petty. Can't take an ounce of blame.

The reasons for this tangent are confusing me. Is this one of those "Screw opinion", "Screw their opinion", "You're screwed if you don't join my opinion" or "Screw you" tangents? I can't really tell.

Personal problems aside, you're on my account and doing something I could accuse you of trolling over. This whole time, you just keep leaving these comments and I'll keep replying. I've got you in the corner and I'm poking you with a stick.
You want to try hanging out at my account causing trouble? Well, barbaric problems do call for barbaric solutions.

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elysiandroptrooper In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-19 21:09:06 +0000 UTC]

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to elysiandroptrooper [2011-12-19 21:28:37 +0000 UTC]

And with his reply, I was able to point out the fact he had been lying in wait for me to make that comment and come along because he had literally nothing else to do.

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elysiandroptrooper In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-19 21:48:15 +0000 UTC]

yeap pretty much

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to elysiandroptrooper [2011-12-19 22:19:12 +0000 UTC]

Just look at this guy! What is he like?

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-19 21:03:52 +0000 UTC]

Blame for what he did? That's like going to a rape victim "You can't take an ounce of blame. How petty."

How many times have I told you, I cam here to tell you to stay out of it, and that I've won and Dark is gone so it's irrelevant.

You're beyond logic and reason my friend. At least you have proven to me that every country has people like Dark, not just the US.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-19 21:15:07 +0000 UTC]

This is great fun! You come over here wasting your brains on telling me I'm not a patriot (what else is new, Geronimo Stilton?) and declaring to me that I'm beyond logic and reasoning. All because I said, and I quote, "Sometimes people can just be like that". What prompted you to be so utterly upset in that? The bit where I said "just"?

You think you're better than me? What man with such promise and potential has to come over to random users to declare to them his opinions on life? Why would he waste his well earned time on such a sundry and trivial matter? I am still freaking out about it!

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-19 21:27:59 +0000 UTC]

I came here to question you. I was interested in the quote "...he's just miserable". And the constant antagonism when I came here without anything even suggestively aggressive kept me, here trying to find your motive. I found it, (you had a per-determined conclusion) and you became even more aggressive.

You honestly don't know Dark...

but, once again, I got my answer from you, so

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-19 21:35:35 +0000 UTC]

If I recall correctly, Dark mentioned you claimed he stole something from you that existed as a concept long before you even came to DA. Am I to assume you're enjoying this

I'm the aggressor? Seriously? Mr Rava "Since you and Dark are birds of a feather, I'll let you have at it hoss" Java? Mr Rava "lol, gone forever? Dark is a bit smarter then that. He just made more accounts, found one last night as a matter a fact, he just started reposting most of his better works on it. I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of them even" Java? You really do think you're better than me! Admit it. Go on. I won't cry.

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-19 22:01:10 +0000 UTC]

For future reference, you use the troll face when you have found a loop or hole in someones logic. You haven't done that, so it doesn't work. This only further proves you don't know what's going on and are trying to get to a predetermined conclusion.

Fun fact, did you know, Dark's story the UEA, appears 3 times on dA before he joined? Did you know the CF-205 appears in Google Sketchup almost a year before Dark first mentioned it. Facts are fun aren't they!

But 4th time, I'm done with you. You're beyond logic or reason, I already got Dark to leave, and you don't even know how to use memes!

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-19 22:18:18 +0000 UTC]

Predetermined conditions are what humanity does best.
You, for example, came to my account with the predetermined conclusion that I would acquiesce to your demands and retract casual statements of opinion. When I asked if you were trolling me, you tried to reinforce your idea, under the predetermined conclusion that I would back down. When I decided to deal with you by returning comments until you walked away, you kept giving a response, under the predetermined conclusion that I would have to stop replying eventually.

And yet you just keep coming back for more. See you soon, Rava. Pretty convenient how you've always got an answer yet fail to address the parts of my comments that you can't actually come up with a smart arse response to. One for Krypton! COUNT this stuff!

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-19 22:26:56 +0000 UTC]

That's not a predetermined conclusion, that was an assumption. While I did assume that you would disagree with me, I at least thought that you would understand that I'm not attacking you, that I was trying to be civil, and most of all, just wanted to see your angle. Sure, I also wanted you to not get involved because you looked sort of silly standing beside a guy with tons of evidence piled against him.

Just so you understand at the least that I am not an art thief or anything along that line, here is the first mention of what would become my CF-205 on the internet. Beating Dark by 2-3 months [link]

He ignored it, but maybe you'll be more reasonable.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-19 22:36:28 +0000 UTC]

I knew you'd be back! Just can't get enough of me can you, Rava? Well, I was just having a chat with him a minute ago and he told me you wanted him to write two-bit tales of war that were so far out of touch with reality it devolved into an ego storm. Explain.

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elysiandroptrooper In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-26 23:36:15 +0000 UTC]

this kid is pathetic he thinks or wants the world to revolve arrround him

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to elysiandroptrooper [2011-12-27 00:37:40 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. He hasn't replied yet but he probably will, soon enough.

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elysiandroptrooper In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-27 00:38:28 +0000 UTC]

lol okay I got to get back to my UEA works oh this is just bad of me

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to elysiandroptrooper [2011-12-27 00:39:27 +0000 UTC]

Okay see you round.

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elysiandroptrooper In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-27 00:40:10 +0000 UTC]

thanks I'll pop into read your stuff since you are a great poet

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to elysiandroptrooper [2012-01-10 20:54:18 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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elysiandroptrooper In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2012-01-10 20:59:10 +0000 UTC]

Welcome

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-19 22:49:58 +0000 UTC]

Why do I try to reason with people like you? You deny reality and replace it with your own.

Now you're going to dance around and tell me how awesome America is and how terrible the British are.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-19 22:55:12 +0000 UTC]

Because you alienate so many users I'm probably the most action you've ever had for ages!

Hey, don't diss the British! The British rock! Have you seen a second of British television? Just look at Only Fools and Horses, Porridge, Monty Python, Open All Hours, The Royle Family, Last of The Summer Wine, Blackadder! And there's plenty more where that came from!

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-19 23:09:02 +0000 UTC]

Well, good to see you aren't stalking me. Unfortunate to hear you didn't take up my offer on checking out if I actually stole anything from Dark. Guess you can't have it both ways.

When did I ever diss the British? At least we agree on something.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-19 23:18:31 +0000 UTC]

I know for a fact some art thieves are more enterprising in their efforts not to get caught. I can hardly take things at a glance.

Is this not a little patronising?

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-19 23:27:28 +0000 UTC]

Well, Dark and I have different stories, different styles and different messages. For example, he does a lot of profiles, I almost never do profiles. He usually writes about Americans and Russians, I focus on Canadians and Australians. There just aren't many similarities. Only thing I think we both have in common is a few vehicle names back from when he used to work with me, and we both have an NA War, which I wont speculate on how that happened.

I'm nice to everyone when possible. I'm passive aggressive and a tad bit belittling to my enemies. Dark's the only enemy I've had, as far as the internet goes.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-21 00:38:14 +0000 UTC]

And yet you have to be mortal enemies.

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-21 02:57:29 +0000 UTC]

Every Holmes needs there Moriarty, or vice versa, depending on your view of my standpoint.

But in my defense, we did have a rather bad break up after he left RS.

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ExtremeDeepInvader In reply to Ravajava [2012-02-25 00:52:05 +0000 UTC]

your arrogance knows no bounds?

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-21 19:40:38 +0000 UTC]

So you're antagonising him on purpose?

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-21 20:52:17 +0000 UTC]

No, he antagonizes me because of that history. If you look at a lot of my stuff before I did this, he was first to comment, and 7/10 times it wasn't very friendly.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-22 18:12:01 +0000 UTC]

Mm, yeah. Either way, he's not happy with you because he's bored of the bull. I'm afraid I'm forced to call bullshit on this one.

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Ravajava In reply to KryptonKnight1961 [2011-12-22 19:53:59 +0000 UTC]

But, you didn't check to see if I was telling the truth, did you? You asked Dark, someone who is going to lie to you, even though the truth is right in my gallery.

Anyhow, good day to you sir.

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KryptonKnight1961 In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-22 21:01:27 +0000 UTC]

Think you speak the truth? I get the feeling you're spinning this to make you look like the victim!

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