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ZachTheWolf
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[2007-08-31 04:11:22 +0000 UTC]
"Sleeping Under Stars"
(United States)
# Statistics
Favourites: 163; Deviations: 35; Watchers: 838
Watching: 112; Pageviews: 114355; Comments Made: 9453; Friends: 112
# About me
That one guy!# Comments
Comments: 2438
I agree. Bitching at people doesn't help at all, so it's just best if we encourage love and support in both sides of this argument. I feel sorry for Zach, but I also feel sorry for Zan because she's getting a lot of crap from people that isn't really deserved. :C I just wish people would chill out and be supportive instead of.... snapping at each other's throats lol. Peace and love, people!
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:3 indeed. Zan nor Zach deserve to be hated >.< Mistakes have been made but what can we do.
-late reply 8D;-
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I'm not bashing or anything. so please don't explode at me. But I think the reason so many people are pushing Zan into the "bad/evil/heartless" corner is because she seemed to have moved on SO fast. She got with ~Pivv quite fast after breaking up and claims she's so in /love/ already, despite her saying she hurts also, it doesn'tappear that way.
I'm not taking sides, and it's Zan personal choice weather to share her "ohsohurting" part of the story or not.
We should all just let Zach grieve in the ways he wants to, and let Zan carry on her /relationship/ with Pivv.
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Afema-what? O.o;
-dense to terminology.- xD;
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It was me slamming my hands onto the keyboard .
It does kind of look like a word , though , huh ? Haha ,
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Ah, okay XD; I was right then!
I'm dense, sorry 
But at least I'm loved xD!
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Fff, I would have thought the same thing .
Yes . You're loved , very much .
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I'm not going to white knight either side, but I'm going to be blunt when I say I won't give words of encouragement to somebody who can't see the harm THEY are also causing.
I'm tired of seeing these deviations. Not because I think Zach needs to grow up. Not because I think it's meaningless and not because I think they are poorly written. I'm tired of seeing them because at this point they are looking more and more like attacks on Zan.
One or two? Yeah, understandable. But this is getting silly and frankly, it needs to be kept private because Zach himself is actively encouraging the Zan haters every time he decides to post his deviations.
What goal is he achieving? He's creating Zan haters because his own fans feel ohsobad with every new song he writes. He's opening himself up to hurt on the internet that he doesn't need but then claiming he will get over it "in his own way" when somebody tries to tell him how detrimental this all is.
I will start giving words of encouragement to Zach when he realises that this is getting silly. It does need to stop. He's not doing himself favours, and he's not doing Zan favours either. This is, effectively, internet self-harm, and he's not listened to anybody before who told him this. When he starts listening to sense, I'll start to encourage him.
Right now I'm just congratulating Zan because I think she did the right thing in keeping her private life to herself - and in doing so she's become some big bitchwoman in everybody else's eyes because she decided not to make something so sensitive, so public.
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So....Zach isn't allowed to express himself because it "causes harm"?
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Somebody needs to l2r.
There's a difference between vent art/expressing oneself and passive aggressively attacking people involved in a situation with you while throwing yourself the biggest possible pity-party you can so people will
a) comfort you and make you feel better
b) leap to your defence and white knight you till kingdom come (as you so wonderfully prove)
I think I've already stated this, if you could actually be bothered to read, but naturally we must all bravely White Knight the poor broken soul the instant somebody suggests he's doing something that is generally more negative than positive, and we'll ignore the rest of a comment or post because then it makes us look like our piss poor argument is actually valid!
Again, l2r. The whole comment. ;D
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Okay, fair enough points.
But there's just one more thing that's upsetting this entire thing and throwing both your opinion and mine out the window and stomping on it on the curb. Yes, Zach shouldn't be "attacking" Zan, but for all we know, judging by how fast she got with the other one it could be damn well correct. BUT I'm not also going to say he is right because we don't know. Thus are the trials of love @.@
I guess I should have just stated for everyone to leave it alone in a different manner ^ ^; It's just, it is a little saddening to read those deviations of his, and then seeing her somewhat happy.
I know she says she hurts, but anyone who's been in a relationship just... can't hide it. I guess you could say its bewildering to everyone.
Either way, yes, I suppose Zach should stop, but I'd rather see some output from him then nothing at all ever again O.o
>.<;Oh, and I added the emoticons to hopefully make it more see able that I'm not trying to start a fight. I hate the fighting x.x; I really do agree wit you that he shouldn't be openly encourage war on either side... but what to do when someone doesn't listen to you?
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As a point of note: I'm not trying to start a fight either. Just throwing out there right now why perhaps you're not seeing anybody give the guy encouragement.
Again, I'm not going to defend anybody or slam anybody because I don't know the whole story. And frankly, on the internet, it is very easy to hide things. All this is, is words and pixels on a screen, and just because we don't see Zan upset that doesn't automatically mean she isn't.
This goes back to "If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody hears it, did the tree really fall down?" Well yes, it did, but we cannot confirm that it fell down because we did not hear it fall. Short of seeing that tree for our very own eyes, we will never know if it fell or if it did not.
The same reasoning applies here. Just because we do not hear or see her hurting, it doesn't mean she's not. And this is coming from somebody who was in a relationship with somebody I loved very much, and was in a relationship with for a good two years. He broke up with me through text, admitted he'd been cheating on me for well over six months with somebody else I knew, and also stated that he'd really only been in it for some kind of sex.
Did I tell the entire world of my misery? I think not, and I certainly didn't tell the internet. Does this mean I wasn't miserable? Heeeeeell naw.
Like I said, I can understand the hurt and the pain, but this is going beyond "I'm hurt and this sucks" and is entering the realm of "I'm hurt, and I'm going to lash out passive-aggressively and in turn subtly attack Zan and be mad." And it's really not fair on Zan, who hasn't said a bad word against Zach in public, nor has really defended herself against all these "FUCK YOU, YA BIG BITCH" people aside from pointing out the fact they don't know the entire story, and the fact she's also a human and also has emotions.
If I were to defend anybody at this point... it would be Zan. And it would be Zan out of principle because she's not making a huge fucking deal out of this, she's not throwing around insults or attacks, and she's trying to keep it private and personal, the way sensitive things like this should be.
I agree that the issue should be left alone. Here's the problem: Zach is refusing to let it go. Thus, this drama is self-inflicted, and it's highly unfair on Zan at this point.
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Alright...
There are a few things I want to question you on though, to see your opinion because you're starting to sound like Zan is being the mature one when honestly, maturity isn't a factor here, especially on a matter of the heart. Please don't be offended, I'm just curious.
Zan left Zach. Zach is alone. Zan isn't. If she is hurt. She's not showing it because Pivot is there to pick her up off of the ground. Who does Zach have? That's the reasoning I suggest giving words of encouragement.
Another question; Since when has it ever been bad to post venting poems/art over something like this? Maybe this is his way of getting any given emotion to him because he feels so alone or broken. Again, I'm not defending him but everyone expresses themselves differently and there are those who try to hide where as others would rather let it out. Zan for example did a lot of vent art over a lot, and many people could pick up on the subject just by looking at the deviation.
Another thing, those idiots who go and insult Zan are not to be worried over. If she can hide without stating anything, then she's fine because she's being smart and not listening to them as should everyone else. My point for this entire conversation was so that people would shut up about the drama and just offer a, "Hey man, it'll be okay" for him, and for her.
Also, sorry to hear about the sleezebag for the way he treated you. That's really messed up. :/ But if he did it, he lost the more important thing in life and wasn't worth your love in the end.
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I'll answer with 1) 2) 3) so that we don't get confused as to what question I'm answering. xD
1) Yeah, she's not alone and she has the support of Pivv, who I'm sure she confides in in the same way Zach initially seemed to be confiding in his music. However, there's a huge difference between confiding in somebody because you're upset, and then making very public a lot of drama, making a villain out of somebody else in the process and then when people tell you to maybe cool it down a bit, shoving off their advice as if they meant to do you some ungodly harm.
At this point... Zach to me appears to be doing the later. It goes from wanting to get some comfort to attention whoring very quickly, and I'm afraid Zach's crossing that thin line.
2) People who post tons of vent art I treat the same way. Not because I want to be mean but because, again, it boils down to being an attention whore.
Situations like this do not call for repeated vent works, particularly when they're all so passive aggressive towards others involved (in this case, that would be Zan.) Do you understand a bit where I'm coming from? This isn't just grieving in a way that seems to say "I'm sad" but it seems to say "I'm sad and am going to passive aggressively villainise the person who I believe to be responsible and whore for attention while doing so."
And, while I mean absolutely no offence, I get irritated with people who do this, even if they are my friends. It's not how you go about dealing with any situation, nor with depression.
How do I know? Because I've been there, done that, got the postcard. I'm not speaking just from "OH MY GOD Y U SO ANNOYING" but I'm speaking from personal experience. I used to do the same sort of thing we're seeing Zach do right now and what did it do?
- kept me depressed because it was a constant reminder of the issue
- lost me friends because in the end everybody said "Get the fuck over yourself, seriously"
- made me disliked in one particular community when I got passive aggressive in relation to a person who was involved in the situation.
This will sound so mean, but "getting the fuck over it" was actually the best thing that happened. When I stopped throwing myself the pity party and focused on the ahead, things did actually start to improve. It's such a harsh reality, I'm not going to pretend otherwise, and it's not easy, but it has to be done.
3) I agree. But human beings just aren't like that and it's not how the majority of humans will work while the drama pot is still being stirred. In this case, because Zach insists on posting all of his woes to the public masses, he rallies up the
- Zan haters/his fans
- Zan fans
- people not involved who catch wind of the drama
Of all the places for drama, dA is not it, and as long as Zach continues to throw his pity party in public, passively attacking those involved at the same time, nobody is going to say "It'll be alright for both of them."
Because, you know, one of them isn't able to say "Yeah, shit happened, and it sucks so much ass you won't believe, but life does go on. Thanks for the support."
Long post is so long. God. >< But yeah, I'm over that asshat now. It hurt a huge amount at the time and it'll certainly be an experience I never forget, but you win some and you lose some. I came out of it a stronger person, and this is what counts. Not that I necessarily learned, lol. ¬.¬
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... I kind of had to giggle at this.
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i probably don't know the whole story, but just from what i've seen over the past couple of weeks... i think it was a real bitch move of zan to leave you like that... and then go and get together with that other guy so fast. seriously, what the fuck.
especially after you two had been together for what like four years? so much for "forever and for always no matter what", eh? and i dunno, it honestly makes me sad. i don't think you deserved all this pain.
anyway, good luck man. i wish you the best.
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agree with you 100% no matter the excuse you cant love someone that quickly unless you've loved them for a while meaning she cheated on zach.
all that ive heard is that zach was depressed for 4 months zan tried to help him but fights occured so she gave up practically
i just dont know how she can be that mean and just move on like its nothing and just love someone so quickly.
and if she felt the same pain i dont think she would be able to hide it so well
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You've heard his side of the story, but no one's heard mine :/ simply because i refused to spread my personal problems to people on the internet.
No one knows the shit i had to go through
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i've hardly heard either side of the story, i haven't talked to you or zach personally about it. i just know what was made public, between journals and art and whatnot the both of you have posted recently.
and that was what i got out of it, but you can't really blame people for making inferences when they don't know all the details. maybe you do feel bad about it too... but from how i see it, it was pretty shitty to hook up with pivv and already say you're ~in love~ so soon after you broke up with zach.
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Guess what sweetycakes.
Love can actually happen that fast and this happens in real life all the time. If you think love is this perfect little ball of happiness that can't ever be replaced after you've found it once, you're both wrong and you're going to be SERIOUSLY disappointed in later life.
1) It's not heartless to give up on anybody if they continue to post shit about you (and at this point, it IS trash talking, because we all got the idea after the first one.)
I don't blame Zan in the least if she's thrown in the towel because FFS I'm getting sick of seeing all this pre-pubescent mourning going on and I felt as bad for Zach as anybody did when this first happened.
2) Don't make people into a villain if you don't know what's gone on behind the scenes, because it's a dick move on your part and makes you the heartless person.
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GUESS FUCKING WHAT "SWEETYCAKES"
dunno what made you think that, i never really implied i believe love can be a "pefect little ball of happiness". it can't. i know this, i've been in two relationships myself, and the one i'm in currently is falling apart.
that doesn't change my opinion in the least that this was wrong, but lol.
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There's a difference between somebody doing something wrong and then saying "OH MY GOD WHAT A BITCH HOLY CRAP HOW COULD YOU DO THAT OMFG".
Like, a huge difference. And, again, this is considering the fact you don't even know the entire story; you've only heard one side of it and frankly that "one side" has since turned into a motherfucking soap opera that is really starting to do little more than attack Zan because "OH WOE AM I HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO ME WHY WHY WHY" and suchlike.
Right now? Zach's as in the wrong as you claim Zan is, because regardless of how much he's hurting, this is starting to get exceptionally silly and it's turning into little more than woeful half-arsed attacks on Zan making her out to be some kind of devil spawn.
Better yet, you fell for it. Lol!
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It's not right to assume things when you don't know the truth.
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I agree, but I don't think Zan is completely heartless. Whatever happened, was probably for the best. But I don't think it was right to go off with some other guy...
But I hope Zach finds a girl who is worth his time and will treat him right, he will treat her right.
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baaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww... 
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OOPS, SORRY RONG Zach
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Hi I am the friend of that woman from the comment below 
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Look, Zach, you might not know me, and I don't know you very well, but please, keep your head up. I can't say 'Forget her!' and 'heartbreak doesn't hurt' and 'baaawww' because it does hurt and it sucks very badly. You got to keep on going, heartbreak is never easy to go trough and especially not after such a long time.
And you are certainly not overreacting.
Looking at the recent art and lyrics you made you practicly carry over your pain to me.
I can't say any much else.
Keep on going, Zach. There are people out there who believe in you and that you will keep holding on and I am one of those persons.
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I'll probably get punched in the face by a buttload of ladies, but who really gives a damn.
Zach, if you're just going to mope in a pool of tears until the end of time, your daily life is going to, frankly, be shitty. I don't blame you for being a bit upset, but it'll be ok. Sure, I sound like a selfless bitch when saying so, but honestly if you have a couple hundred watchers flocking to your page to send you notes and comments full of pity and "Oh hello no, you don't deserve this!", you're only going to be constantly reminded of it. Obviously you don't want this. So as advice, don't post things that are going to make you even more depressed about it all.
That song was well written, but it seems to be, intentionally or not, giving chances for fingers to be pointed at all sorts of people. Go write other songs! Catchy, less saddening ones!
*presents face for curb-stomping* Go for it. If you want to chat about it, I'm open and I'll try to be as bitchy as this comment.
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I agree with Zach. Let him grieve, and if he is reminded of what happened, its his choice. Maybe he doesn't want to forget, not yet.
I'm not trying to speak for him. Like he said, no one can. Just let him be, I would be the same way if I were him.
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Everyone is different on different levels. Everyone has their own way of handling and doing things. People will say relationships come and go, but I'm my own person aren't I?
I'm me... I'm my own person... No one else is me or can speak for me. I have my own voice. My heart is shattered, I'm grieving and my soul was torn in two.. The other half taken away from me.
I'm coping with living a daily life. You can't live my life for me, the only thing you and everyone else can do is tell me what YOU think I should do.
I never wanted a relationship before I met her. I never gave my heart out to anyone, or allowed myself to fall in love. Love was a foolish emotion, to me, that destroyed even the best of people.
I apologize that my heart, mind and what's left of my soul are in a depressive state right now. It's going to take longer than a couple weeks to get over what I made my whole life. Especially since I was so quickly replaced with Pivv.
I said Forever and For Always No Matter What. I'm trying to cope with the fact that forever is over. And that no matter what meant until she met him. Let me grieve. Let me cry. Let me be me.
I'm not you. I'm not anyone else. Thank you for telling me something I already know, but I'm depressed as hell and just want to let out some of this sadness from within.
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Zach... Sorry you feel this way. I may not understand how bad you hurt but I know you'll feel better one day. Again, sorry.
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Fair enough. It's fair to give time to grieve, it makes sense. I won't go into another bothered rant of sharing the depression online, but like you said, if that will help you get through it faster, then do so.
I hope you feel better in the long run though.
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I think Zach is REALLY awesome... But I gotta agree with you -.-
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Love comes in many shapes and forms.
Tis better to have loved and lost then to never have loved at all
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Aw.... I.. I'm really sorry for your break up. 
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