TalesofOlde In reply to DanmulS [2023-05-22 19:35:34 +0000 UTC]

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TalesofOlde In reply to ARVEN92 [2018-06-04 03:20:32 +0000 UTC]

Np x3 Keep up the good work

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TalesofOlde In reply to Inmyarmsinmyarms [2018-03-13 02:47:13 +0000 UTC]

Did I ever say I was upset at women's liberation? No - I said that it isn't right that they're looking down on women like me who want a more traditional lifestyle. Don't pretend that they don't because they very damn well do. I for one like the idea of being a Mother and taking care of my husband in a traditional sense while working on my own skills and professions which are all home-based. If you actually read my original comment you would see that I pointed out a very well written example of a society where traditional views are still in place but everyone is happy. Unless you've been to a Druid Clan yourself then you can't speak against it. "equal but separate" How? The Jim Crow laws only pertained to blacks whereas I gave examples of strong women living in a traditional pagan society. ( Which - was very female dominated in terms of deities because everyone worshiped the Mother Goddess and her husband to an extent. ) Talk to any of those women and they'll tell you straight up that they want nothing to do with the outside world or any of its traditions. If some women want to work and be 100% equal to men fine. Change the draft and take away special military regulations so that they get trained just as hard as men and see how long it lasts for the majority of the female population. Charge women as much as men every time they get convicted of abuse and actually give children to the Father in custody cases when it's proven that their Mothers are unfit parents because as of now their Mothers could have severe abusive tendencies and still are rewarded custody of their children. It took my ex killing himself for the courts to see how manipulative and utterly disgusting his Mother was not only as a woman but as a human being and as of right now she isn't allowed anywhere near his siblings.

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to TalesofOlde [2018-03-13 03:01:01 +0000 UTC]

So A) claiming you're not sexist while essentially advocating for societal regression while self-righteously denying that, B) citing a misunderstanding of historical celtic cultures, C) making strawmen that don't really make sense in this era of reclaiming feminine icons.

It is very much relevant because it exemplifies why "equal but separate" is a farce. By that time, black people were supposed to have civic rights - exempted from them by loopholes based on their ethnicity.

Perhaps a more direct example is historical China, where the philosophy of Yin Yang supposedly renders women as relevant as men. In practise, we get women associated with darkness and weakness and one of the most brutally sexist cultures that has ever existed.

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TalesofOlde In reply to Inmyarmsinmyarms [2018-03-13 03:09:41 +0000 UTC]

A) What? So you're saying I can't be happy with the position I'm in now and have to claw my way up to the top in careers I'll most likely fail at when I'm significantly more maternal and caring than the majority of women nowadays? How are women like me hurting progression simply because we like the simple life of a wife and child rearing?

B) "citing a misunderstanding of historical celtic cultures." Oh please enlighten me on your knowledge regarding Celtic culture BEFORE the Christian Conversion. You've never even been in a modern clan setting have you? So you have absolutely no ground or merit judging people how they live their lives because you haven't experienced them. I for one - was born and raised in them so I know exactly how they work and exactly how we're taught. I know for a fact that a Druid woman can break a jaw faster than any woman who lives outside the Clan - aside from those trained in professional boxing of course but I'd say that they're on par with them.

C) As I said before. Some women are more home-centered and others are not. I am more home-centered than other women. If the majority are not home centered then you know what? Good for them - as long as they don't demean me then things won't get ugly.

D) You have yet to comment on extending the draft to all women aged 18 and up aaaand removing governmental regulations that prevent them from being trained as harshly as men. You also failed to elaborate on my point that the justice system is very unfair in how men are treated in abuse cases when the woman is the culprit and the example I gave of what happens when you award women custody of children 100% of the time.

E) The Yin and Yang's meaning shifted and changed throughout the years. The bottom line was although they are totally different—opposite—in their individual qualities and nature, they are interdependent. Yin and Yang cannot exist without the other; they are never separate. It wasn't until in recent years when women in China actually started to break free of traditions and form meaningful relationships did this symbol actually mean something. When it was first coined it wasn't made to represent the love between a man and a woman but promote the willingness of marriage to show both sexes that they couldn't live without each other. Nowadays couples use this to show that they can't live without each other in particular. This shows how little you know regarding Pagan culture to use this as an example. The Celtic Gods in which the Druids follow were highly revered for being the most "human." out of any other religion that has come to date. Brighid and Dres were highly respected and on equal footing, with each other 100% They were essentially the Mother and Father figure and the most respected out of the other Gods. Celtic Goddesses were known for their ferocity in battle and this was exemplified by the fact that Celtic women were allowed to fight alongside their husbands to defend the hearth and they quite literally were the most terrifying thing that the Romans have ever seen. Boudicca wouldn't have been as fierce if it wasn't for the ideals of Druidism which gave her strength equal to that of a man. Those ideals are still implemented within modern-day Druid society. If a woman wishes to be on the same level as a man then she can leave behind the hearth and be trained to the fullest extent to how a man is trained which is essentially a few more self-defense classes and helping her beef up. It was only when Catholicism took over were women forced into subjugation on the Isles.

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to TalesofOlde [2018-03-13 11:04:47 +0000 UTC]

Because literally no one is telling you to not be those things if you don't want. Justifying institutionalised sexism because you personally feel like a housewife is asinine.

Also, modern celtic reconstructionism has reconstructionism in it for a reason. Literally everything we know from historical celts has nothing to do with Wicca. From what little do we know, celtic women fulfilled equal roles to men, most notable with warriors like Boudicca. This is probably reflected by the fact that symbols like the bear, the snake and the sun are all emblematic to historical celtic goddesses, as opposed to fabricated modern moon goddesses based on the greco roman Selene/Luna.

As for China: www.iep.utm.edu/gender-c/ Turns out "can't live without each other" means "you're stuck to roles defined by your nature and are forced to marry". Also, note how your only defense is claiming that it is a romantic symbol, rather than any legitimate equality in the eyes of society.

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TalesofOlde In reply to Inmyarmsinmyarms [2018-03-13 11:34:45 +0000 UTC]

Because literally no one is telling you to not be those things if you don't want. Justifying institutionalised sexism because you personally feel like a housewife is asinine. < - Yet despite the fact that I've repeatedly said that I find it perfectly fine for other women to go out and do what they please you still looked down on me like I was a threat, including putting words in my mouth that I never said. Apparently you've never walked a mile in my shoes how women who prefer to live a more traditional life are treated.

Also, modern celtic reconstructionism has reconstructionism in it for a reason. Literally everything we know from historical celts has nothing to do with Wicca. From what little do we know, celtic women fulfilled equal roles to men, most notable with warriors like Boudicca. This is probably reflected by the fact that symbols like the bear, the snake and the sun are all emblematic to historical celtic goddesses, as opposed to fabricated modern moon goddesses based on the greco roman Selene/Luna. < ---- I never once stated anything that was brought in or had to so with Wicca. Wicca isn't even justified as apart of Paganism because it existed in 1885 and is considered a melting pot. Talk to any Druid from the Clans and they'll tell you that any Wiccan practices or additions aren't welcome. Never once in my prior comment did I mention a "Moon goddess." Or anything not apart of original Druidism. Everything I learned regarding Druidism and how the closed-off communities live life today is on par to how the belief system would've functioned so you have no grounds to say anything negative about it. You weren't born and raised in a Clan and I can sure as hell tell you that you never stepped foot in one either.

As for China: www.iep.utm.edu/gender-c/ Turns out "can't live without each other" means "you're stuck to roles defined by your nature and are forced to marry". Also, note how your only defense is claiming that it is a romantic symbol, rather than any legitimate equality in the eyes of society. < ------ Again, that was how the symbol was meant to be taken back when it was originally formed. The Chinese preferred to be poetic regarding symbolic meanings rather than bluntly stating it. Nowadays couples do use it as a sign of romantic intent because the older generations have lost their grip on the younger ones and fewer people are getting married just to get married to go against that.

Still waiting for your response regarding my last points.

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to TalesofOlde [2018-03-14 00:22:25 +0000 UTC]

You mean the perceived biases in the military? I'm sure they've been dismissed by now, as most of these double-standards accusations tend to go.

Poetry means little in the face of being footbound because you're considered aligned with darkness and cosmologically inferior. Such is the way of Yin Yang classifications.

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TalesofOlde In reply to Inmyarmsinmyarms [2018-03-14 01:01:15 +0000 UTC]

Not in the Marines. There are several physical tests you have to pass in order to start and continue training. For men, you have to do a certain number of pushups whereas women of last year were only required to do half and some passed with even lower than that. I know during practice where they have the trainees carry large amounts of heavy equipment on their backs that women carry significantly less. Not ALL women in the military have that issue as the particularly burly ones are able to keep up fairly well. But there are a lot that meets only the minimum requirements set for them. Now the draft IS extended towards women but not mandatory. 100% equality would be that all men and women 18 years and older be drafted immediately into the war as needed. As for custody cases, some states prefer to take a closer look at how stable each parent is over the other before sole or 50 / 50 is awarded. However, most states, especially in the South and North, will choose the Mother by default. I've got nothing against this if the Father is unfit UNLESS like in the case of my ex and his siblings the Mother is equally unfit or unstable. I believe the only way to 100% guarantees easy sole custody in these cases would be if heroin or cocaine was in the Mother's possession or significant physical damage was done. Now some judges will look at a child in this situation and go "something's wrong." But the fair majority prefer to stay quiet even in cases of where a child is murdered or they contributed to said murder. I have a handful of Chinese friends who grew up thinking that the Yang represented the woman and the Ying represented the man because that was what their families were taught. Keep in mind that these are families from mainland China who moved here when their children were younger and or older before I got acquainted with them.

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to TalesofOlde [2018-03-14 10:29:08 +0000 UTC]

- Did some research. While there are a few differences, the standard protocol doesn't seem to favour women specifically, in some circumstances even displaying longer exercise times: www.military.com/military-fitn…

- And? This does not in any way justify the use of Yin Yang to promote societal sexism.

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TalesofOlde In reply to Inmyarmsinmyarms [2018-03-14 11:52:40 +0000 UTC]

Well good for them then - at least they're making progress on that. My point is that a symbol's meaning can change over time than what it was originally intended depending on region and its portrayal. The Swastika, for example, is actually a symbol that means "Well being." or "Good fortune." and is now commonly associated with the Nazi party. The swastika (as a character 卐 or 卍) is an ancient religious icon used in the Indian subcontinent, East Asia, and Southeast Asia, where it has been and remains a sacred symbol of spiritual principles in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.

The name swastika comes from Sanskrit (Devanagari: स्वस्तिक), and denotes "conducive to well being or auspicious".[5][6] In Hinduism, the clockwise symbol is called swastika symbolizing surya (sun), prosperity, and good luck, while the counterclockwise symbol is called sauvastika symbolizing night or tantric aspects of Kali. In Jainism, a swastika is the symbol of Suparshvanatha – the 7th of 24 Tirthankaras (spiritual teachers and saviours), while in Buddhism it symbolizes the auspicious footprints of the Buddha. The Christian Trinity is actually a Druidic symbol except for flipped right side up. It originally represented the three Goddesses that formed Ireland and the Pentagram was originally a symbol for protection but nowadays is seen as something that promoted satanism despite the fact that actual satanists have rejected it being apart of the faith. Now - which meaning is stronger? The older generation of China who follows the sexist intent of the Yin and Yang are dying out while the younger generation is taking society into their own hands and "modernizing." certain symbols in order to appear more socially acceptable. I believe that a symbol can only really retain its original meaning when the generation that followed it the most is still alive. The swastika, though its image was corrupted by Germany, will always mean good fortune and wellbeing to the Hindus because Hinduism is very much alive. The newer generations of China has and still is molding the Yin and Yang into something different and more correct with their societal values since marriage is no longer seen as something that has to be done among younger people and is a choice. In my personal opinion - because they outlive the oldest generation then the symbol's meaning is in their hands to do with it what they please. Will it always have the dark side of its origin? Of course - the Christian cross, for example, is a symbol of hope among its followers but death, oppression, and fear to many groups that opposed it in its early days but as I said - things change with time. If the Chinese youth of today market the symbol as a romantic gesture towards two people who say that they cannot live without each other and that they complete each other then the symbol will currently represent love. As for the sexist connotation that femininity is associated with dark and coldness. The meaning of the actual Yin and Yang together has shifted and that is clearly evident through what my friends and the growing additions of their families are taught. As of right now they are seen as mainly opposites of each other that work together. Some have a set meaning for it and others prefer to tag on their own negative and positive traits to each symbol. Nowadays women tend to choose the lighter of the side while men the darker.

Also - what's your opinion in the examples I gave regarding custody cases?

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to TalesofOlde [2018-03-15 01:32:16 +0000 UTC]

Difference is that neither of those symbols draw attention to the differences between men and women, while the very concept of Yin Yang does. Tellingly, even your anecdotes don't showcase progress being made besides more subtle forms of sexism.

As for whatever custody myths you believe in: www.huffingtonpost.com/cathy-m…

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TalesofOlde In reply to Inmyarmsinmyarms [2018-03-15 03:19:24 +0000 UTC]

Then we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree as you and I have relatively different views and experiences that won't change.

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to TalesofOlde [2018-03-16 01:34:25 +0000 UTC]

So you can't accept the truth, then.

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TalesofOlde In reply to Inmyarmsinmyarms [2018-03-16 04:24:56 +0000 UTC]

I can't accept the way you view things just as you cannot accept the way I view things. There's no need to bash and or belittle each other because we're both harmless to each other.

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TalesofOlde In reply to Nothofagus-obliqua [2018-03-06 02:24:55 +0000 UTC]

No problem love your work x3

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TalesofOlde In reply to FrostedCanid [2018-03-06 02:25:14 +0000 UTC]

No sweat x3 I love your Art!

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