Zidneya In reply to AntiCultForce [2016-05-07 04:04:20 +0000 UTC]

That it's a cultural festivity. Personally I've never meet anyone who has either celebrated or believes in it. The only festivity that I've actually seen people celebrate is the day of the dead.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_t…

The santa muerte is supposed to celebrate during those days but I've never even heard of anyone naming it, much less celebrating it.

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Zidneya In reply to MixedSunlight [2014-03-15 01:48:12 +0000 UTC]

Okay first things first, I’m an atheist and I think that you know that because you don’t even introduce yourself you simply start talking about religion, which I can only assume  is because you found one of my comments I have left somewhere which I found silly doing this but hey if you want to have this conversation fine.

First: You’ve met John? Is John your friend, your acquaintance but more important if John ask you to throw yourself from a bridge would you do it? And let’s not forget that the Bible is a collection of books written by different authors in different times, in different places and not even all the authors agreed on everything so by referring to John you must have full knowledge of John, his life, his customs, along with the rest of the other people if you are gonna quote him claiming that he is right.

And I haven’t met John neither nor I want to. If you’re gonna reply me use your own words please.

Second let’s say that someone sacrifices for you, would you like that? Because if you do, you have issues , me I don’t want anyone to pay for my mistakes, my actions good or bad are mine and mine alone and I won’t let anyone else take the credit from them because my mistakes are part of my personal growth and my achievements are the fruit of my efforts and I respond for them. So if you expect me to say, Oh hey JC thanks for taking the bullet from me, “You are out of your mind.” Why on earth I would want that. If you’re okay with letting someone else pay for your mistakes you are a bad person independently if you are religious or not.

Third: to have salvation? To think that, you actually have to believe that without Jesus everyone is a sinner(every child, every elder, every person) you’re problem isn’t only with me is with all the other 66,68% of the people of this planet (or what you think that everyone believes in Jesus?), why don’t you go and tell them that and let’s see what they tell you.

Fourth: God created me? I was created by my parents and I can prove it (that dam DNA no matter how many times I shower I never rips off) can you prove that god created me(An actual physical prove). When it comes to matters where we don’t have any empirical evidence it is absurd to claim argue  that you know something 100% because you end up making a fool of yourself.

Fifth: Don’t you think I don’t know what you’re doing? I’m an atheist do you really think that I’m gonna change my way of think and see life just for a two lines comment? Seriously? What were you expected that I would read this and realize that you’re right and I’m wrong? Do you’re ideas are really that fragile?

Sixth: Do you know what you’re doing? If you’re faith is so strong why it feel threaten by what I think. And of course you’re gonna deny this but let’s not forget you came to my page for this very fact (otherwise you would be having this conversation with me).  Melissa I’m gonna be honest with you I don’t care about what you or John believe (I don’t care about you’re prayers or thought nor anything) either if you believe in god or aliens or whatever it ain’t gotta do anything with me. What? you expect me that ten or  twenty years from now I’m gonna tell my friend how I changed this girl’s ideology (a girl that I’ve never even met). I’m gonna tell you how this is gonna end, at some point you’re gonna quit this conversation with a certain sense of disappointment because I’m not gonna change my mind and you can’t neither. But unlike you I don’t need you to think like me, nor find any pleasure or superiority satisfaction in you thinking like me.

I’m a different person from you and my advise is: “deal with it.”

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MixedSunlight In reply to Zidneya [2014-03-18 21:19:54 +0000 UTC]

You want an introduction? Ok. Here we go. My name is Melissa. I was born in Florida. I am a human being who enjoys writing, photography, and listening to music... it is a pleasure to meet you. No, really. It is.

And, secondly, this is not about "my friend John". John did not write the Bible - nor did Isaiah, Luke, Micah or Habbakuk - but the Lord God Himself did, through such people as John and Micah and Isaiah, etc. I owe no allegiance to John, for he was a man, but to God.

As for appreciating people's sacrifices, I may reply with the following: Nobody asked Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. The bottom line is that HE DID. So we could have eternal life if we so chose to accept it. Should we depreciate His sacrifice by rejecting it? Perhaps that is your view, but I also have mine.

Next, we are ALL sinners. Christians are sinners. I am a sinner. That's the sad truth, but it is the truth. I am no better than you or anyone else... the only one who is sinless in this picture is God. And I am not targeting you. Merely speaking to you along with other people. The Lord gives me the words with which to reply to whatever "they" may have to say to me. (I know that sounds crazy, but then again... it's how I feel.)

You have a point. You were created by your parents. I have studied biology enough to know that... but who created your parents? Their parents? Yes, of course. But... how far does that go back? Even with the theory of evolution, there would have had to be some sort of beginning to things. It's like asking the question "What came first: the chicken or the egg?". Unless you believe in a Creator, no logic will stand for how you nor anyone else came to be created. Yes, He did create you, and He loves you as His own child.

Now, I would like to clarify what I was thinking when I commented those "two lines" on your profile. I do not expect to open my mouth, and for people to believe me. I do not expect to change the thoughts in people's heads. Even Jesus was met with adversity and disbelief when He walked this earth as a mortal being... a sinless mortal being. My only hope is that I will be able to share my ideas, as others share theirs; that I would be able to spread the Word to both willing and unwilling hearts, for even the sea may soften a stone.

I don't feel threatened by what you think, and neither should you feel threatened by what I think. This is the way I see it: we are both people, we are both sinners, and we have things in common. We both like anime, and art. We should not feel threatened by each other. I do not feel threatened by the absence of God in your life... you should not feel threatened by His presence in my own. You may not care about me, nor do I ask you to. I do not hate you, nor anyone else who's ideas are different from my own - I have had friends of different cultures, religions, backgrounds, even sexual identities. I am not out to get you, nor do I think myself superior to you.

I care enough about you to stand whatever you may say... not because of any personal attachments - we are strangers - but because of a feeling of fellowship and a passion for the Lord.

But... that's enough about me.

He cares about you more than you know, and He is in the real picture. He is in every pixel of the letters that form the words, the thoughts and the opinions that we are sharing. He was the one who created your mind, which enables you to think, survive, speak, and many other things.

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Zidneya In reply to MixedSunlight [2014-03-27 08:56:12 +0000 UTC]

A simple Hi would be more than enough.

Now I'm gonna be direct, if you believe that God himself wrote the bible trough John and the gang (which I find silly since if that where truth how can he create an entire universe but has to use others to write a book) these all those homophobia(I Corinthians 6:9-10), sexist(Matt 5:32,1 Cor 34 ), slavery(Ephesians 6:5)religious discrimination(John 2:22) intolerance(Numbers 15:32-36 The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death, that one I don't remember the numbers very well) that are there are also written by God? And NO YOU CAN'T SAY IT DOESN'T IF YOUR'E GONNA CLAIM THAT THE BIBLE COMES FROM GOD, THEN CLAIM THAT, NOT JUST THE GOOD PARTS THAT YOU LIKE I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HOLE BIBLE.

And your speech about sacrifice doesn't refute my initial statement (you know the one where I say "If you’re okay with letting someone else pay for your mistakes you are a bad person independently if you are religious or not.") So yeah no one asked Jesus to do what he did but if someone takes the blame for a crime that you commit and neither you or nobody asked him to take the blame still changes the fact that someone else is paying for your? Be a grown up and  take responsibilities for your own actions I think that your bipolar God(you know since he's kind at a moment and in the next a homophobic, anti-Semite, cruel god) wouldn't hurt you. 

And why would I wish eternal life?

Time for a story

All questions were raised that day at the public meeting were referred to the life beyond death. Master only smiled without giving a single answer. When later. The disciples asked why he had been so elusive, he answered: have you not noticed that those who do not know what to do with this life are precisely those who most want another life that lasts forever? But is there life after death? Insisted a disciple. There is life before death. Master replied.(And this story was written by a Jesuit priest  by the way)

Know we are all sinners? Atheism may not have all the answers but there is one that it sure does have? Adam and Eve existed? Nop(if you want to think differently that's up to you but there are like 213 different types of fossils that prove otherwise).And you know there's also the fact that the catholic church has admitted that Adan and Eve didn't existed. It's typical by the way of the theological mind and even by the sophisticated theological mind that even when it have been prove that actual beliefs such as Adan didn't occur it stills carries on with the symbolism as nothing have happened, it doesn't matter that the fact have been disapproved you rescue them by turning the into symbol, metaphors or parables.

Now the answers that we didn't have where does everything comes from, It's a common misconception that people has that atheist claims everything to science when let's face it our science it's barely out of it's puberty, science ain't tell what it's happening in that supernova thousand of light years away, science can't tell me what is happening in the palm of my hand in a subatomic level, so NO we can't assure you where it comes from but neither do you(that's funny because  theist present any kind of thing assuring it proves them right but demand specific definitive evidence to prove them wrong, One thing is that you don't know where the universe came from and another is saying that you don't know where the universe came from so it has to be from what I believe, because if you don't know how can you claim?) So we atheist say the universe comes from the big bang because the evidence point to that way and for the answer of what came before that , we don't know the evidence isn't there but nobody knows the answer to that the best we can do is to say: well there is everything we know and this are the knowledge we have, but that's honest and that's why I appreciate that answer because that answer has more truth in in that saying: because my god did it. And theist on the other hand not only claim that the are right but try to stand in the way of those who make experiments to actually find out the truth so in my opinion people that take for granted the truth about the origin shouldn't criticize those who actually dedicate time of their lives to find out the answer. Ohh  and just because I don't know where the universe came from doesn't change the fact that I know where I came from "my parents".

Now you say that you claim you didn't (and I quote you)"I do not expect to change the thoughts in people's heads" and then you say "share my ideas, as others share theirs; that I would be able to spread the Word to both willing and unwilling hearts for even the sea may soften a stone." You may want to use all the metaphors you want to hide the fact that you are  contradicting yourself.  You did wanted to cause an effect on me therefore change my ideas, and the fact that you didn't even admit it tells me much about you. Me on the other hand I know I won't change you and I can't understand that you believe whatever you believe, and that you wish t a non physical essence to be present in your life to make you feel protected in in this scary world, but the part that I don't understand and I would like you to explain to me is ¿where did you got the idea that you can contact people from different ideologies and expect them to be quiet while you talk about god?

You say I don't feel threatened by what you think but then why you keep having this conversation with me?, and using the phrases to support  your religion (and don't project yourself into me saying "if I'm answering because I fell threatened then so must you" because I'm just responding what you say in the order of what you say it, after all you came to my page not otherwise). 

Because if you "I do not feel threatened by the absence of God in your life" then why this constantly mention of god in everything you say to me(yes I saw the god comment on the fireflies my artwork).

"I do not hate you, nor anyone else who's ideas are different from my own", the why you constantly disrespect my beliefs mentioning god over and over I'm an atheist accept it. But you won't if you reply to me your'e gonna mention god agin and again claiming you are doing his will(is his will to constantly make me realize I'm wrong does God has that big emotional needs or it's you?)

because how can you claim God is everywhere if we haven't seen any evidence of gods, spirits, souls, or any plane of existence aside from the physical one.

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MixedSunlight In reply to Zidneya [2014-04-01 21:30:51 +0000 UTC]

You say I try to change your thoughts, and I am disrespecting your beliefs and contradicting myself. I am not trying to change your thoughts, I am doing what I said I was - spreading the Word. No contradiction there. And it is not in disrespect that I do it... if you felt so, you would not answer me in the way you have. You would not want to have a DISCUSSION with me, if you really felt I was being disrespectful.

OK. That said, let's move on.

I don't exactly understand your position about "does God exist/where did we come from"... do you believe in evolution? And yes, you came from "your parents", but where did "your parents" come from? And I - who am a bit of a science nerd - have never actually heard evidence that disproves anything about the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, or even the Flood. If you could please provide that, I will answer your... concerns... accordingly, if I can.

And as for the rest of the argument, I guess it just all boils down to the nature of God Himself. You say He is bipolar and homophobic, may I just point out that Jesus was the most tolerant, non-prejudiced example we could wish for? He ate and walked with the cast-off - lepers, prostitutes, etc. He tried to reach them, as He tries to reach us all. The "correct" people, who really were the intolerant ones, the discriminatory ones, hated Him. They had Him killed. That's why He died. It's His perfect life, and his Resurrection, that saves us from our sins, that gives us the hope of eternal life. I take the consequences of my sins, every day. And I would when I stand before God one day, but with Jesus's sacrifice, that isn't necessary. It's not that I - or any other Christian - is "happy" about Jesus dying for us and taking responsibility for our sins. It's that was His plan, and all we can do is either reject His offer of eternal life, as you do, or accept His saving grace.

As for why anyone would want eternal life, I will ask you this: would you also want eternal death? Eternal torture? That's the choice that exists. Which would YOU rather have?

And God did create the universe. He had people write the Bible for Him, but He could just as easily have created a divine book by miracle. Why does He have people carry His Word? He could do it Himself, you might say. But in truth, He is doing the work. He is going into people's hearts and lives, and making them whole. God is capable of anything.

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Zidneya In reply to MixedSunlight [2014-04-09 05:24:33 +0000 UTC]

You asks to explain my position of "does God exist/where did we come from" my position is: I don't know where the universe comes from therefore I won't assume or give credit that it was made by a supernatural omnipotence entity just because no one has the answer.  

And then you say that you will answer my… concerns... accordingly. Good because I have a lot of questions of how theists explain, believe and know  more than what they possibly can.  

Isn't assuming that God created the universe illogical since we don't know how the universe was created in the first place?  

Because if we assume that anything which we cannot explain it's origin is a prove from god, does the plastic ring that I found in my garden yesterday comes from god, does the menu of the Chinese restaurant that I found in my pants pocket comes from god?, does the bird crap that was inside my indoor shelter comes from god?  

And how can you be sure that it is the same god that is mentioned in the bible and not in other religious texts? Why is the bible god the right god?  

Isn't the carbon fourteen tests that proves that our planet has 4.5 Billion years old old refute what the bible says that the maximum of our planet age is 10  thousands years old?  

If you are so concerned with asking where everything came from why not also question where god came from?  

Isn't the evolution disproves the existence of Adam and Eve?  

How can we come from Adam and Eve existed when evolution says that we descend from apes?  

Why do you say that you haven't heard evidence that disproves anything about the Garden of Eden when there is evidence for our scientific theories that point evolution but yet none ay all for your creationism? If you are a science nerd why do you still waiting evidence to disapprove Adam and Eve? shouldn't you I dunno… support first the theories that have scientifically evidence above the ones which don't have evidence at all? What is your (testable) evidence for creation?  

If you say the flood did happened then:  

Why the mixing of fresh and salt water didn't killed all the sea life, nor left any evidence of a full global desalination in the nature.  

Why didn't most or all terrestrial plants didn't died.  

How do you explain that the herbivores wouldn't have had enough to eat when they came off the ark.  

How do you explain that carnivores didn't quickly killed all the herbivores when they got off the ark, then starved when there was no food.  

Define the correct people you mentioned?  

How can you prove that Jesus really resurrected or did anything when there are no proves at all, only testimonial records?   

How do you know that those bible witness ain't lying just to convert people to Christianity?  

So if you still insist that god created the bible then the answer is "yes" to my other question? You know where I ask ¿Are all those homophobia, sexist, slavery,religious discrimination, intolerance,that are there are also written by God?  

How can you prove that the bible wasn't written just by simple men who just wanted to establish a religious system to control the people? Doesn't that explains why there are all those bad elements of society permitted in bible that where permitted back then in the ancient times?  

Why is okay in the biblical tales that the offspring of Adam and Eve are condemned for something that their parents did?  
I'm condemned for Adam and Eve actions. I'm saved by Jesus actions. How can I trust a God that says is gonna judge me fairly when he let's other people actions catalog me. Can't I …..dunno answer for my actions and only my actions?

Why would I have eternal torture for not believing in Christ? Isn't more logical that god send me to hell for being bad and cruel with other people instead? Why would god sent a thinker to hell?   

Why would I be afraid of eternal death? Because eternal death means that I have nothing to die for everything to live for.  

If I have eternal life eventually I would get bored to death(except I wouldn't die).  

If there's no sin in heaven and sin is a byproduct of free-will does that mean there's no free-will in heaven?  

If god is such a merciful loving creator why would hell even be an option for his children? Doesn't sound more like another one of religious scare tactics?  

Why do you use the bible to defend the bible when I'm asking you to prove what you claim is truth with non biblical evidence?  

Isn't asking all people in the world to rely on their faith to prove the veracity of you're religion wrong? Wouldn't be better if god left evidence of his existence instead of spread the word trough men? Wouldn't that have more effect of his message, his identity, his origins and his intentions?

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justinjamal In reply to Zidneya [2014-04-19 20:56:37 +0000 UTC]

God does mostly,  he's not going to come to us, we have to.seek him

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Zidneya In reply to justinjamal [2014-04-20 01:19:37 +0000 UTC]

And why would I want to seek him? 
Why would I need to …….OKAY you know what that's enough. First things first Justin what are you doing here? And why do you interrupt the chat that I have with Mixed Sunlight? You and I already had a talk about atheism. You claimed that atheist are the same as believers and I showed you a example of how Christian homophobia tries to ban a Disney work yet the you claim that its the same with atheist. Tell me which atheistic view of life will promotes homophobia? And then you said that you Christians had their own evidence, and I didn't what to disapprove or refute that because it was just a talk. At least that what I thought. If you believe in Jesus that's okay as long as you don't  try to convert me(or as you guys refer it as saving me) but unlike Mixed Sunlight that comes to my page specifically to talk about religion to me an atheistic and then tries to convince me of the veracity of Jesus. That's where I started to defend my atheism because I don't go  to other people to try to talk to them about atheism, Check out ever chat that I have with this girl you can pretty much see that everything that I've said resumes in two kinds of speeches, either explanations or questions. And when you and I meet because you said that atheist can be niece people. comments.deviantart.com/1/3017… . And I thought okay this Christian may be a believer (why he believes I don't know, but that ain't something for me to know) but at least it's a believer that respects me and doesn't try to convert me. It's a believer that won't mention Jesus and god in every speech, a believer that if I talk about a subject he will focus on that subject instead of  a never-ending talk about god. And while you and I talked you never mentioned me that. But then you come here and star defending this girl who you don't even know And above all it's a talk about Christianity even when the last time you and I chat I gave you a video that shows you how to be more tolerant. You know what I tired of this ridicules individual chats. Meet me at mixed sunlight profile theres something I want you two, to tell me since you are so eager to talk about beliefs.

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justinjamal In reply to Zidneya [2014-04-23 00:16:31 +0000 UTC]

Sure

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Zidneya In reply to Zidneya [2014-03-28 02:27:29 +0000 UTC]

Sorry in the sentence  "I can't understand that you believe whatever you believe" I meant "I can understand" not can't. 

I wish I could edit it to correct the error but the page will not let me.
And if there are other spelling mistakes I apologize as well.

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