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Transformers fanpage Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep ni ni bong held another caption-contest, and here is the 1st place winning entry I submitted.Not that it matters, but I just want to say I have no ill feelings towards Sam's actor Shia LaBeouf, as he is a good actor but he keeps starring in movies that don't let this show. His character Sam on the other hand; Sam was likeable enough and was a decent audience surrogate character in the 2007 TF movie, then in Revenge of the Fallen he was unbelievably shoehorned into the story, bitched and screamed constantly, became some kind of messiah and, along with his peers Michaela and Leo, survived stuff that an Average Joe like him would perish in. By Dark of the Moon, I had lost all incentive to care about Sam's unnecessary inclusion to the series and his new pathetic longing for a purpose after trying to move on from life with the Autobots. Yeah, because your purpose can't be to spend the rest of your life with the hot British blonde who for some reason loves you to death. Because leading a happy life like that would be insane! Seriously, whenever there was a moment in DOTM where it looked like Sam might die, I cheered out loud in the movie theatre; I was that flipping sick of him.
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Sam... He could've improved a lot.
Maybe they could've turned him into a mute, but silent badass who knows how to kick ass, make explosions, and kill even a lot of decepticons with ease if he were to be given a lot of gadgets, devices, and a large arsenal of weapons and other gear.
If i were Michael Bay, i would've let him become that kind of awesome character, not let him be some annoying, irritating, son of a bitch who acts like a douche to everyone.
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It would've been an interesting direction to take the character. Sam was more than willing to fight for the ones he loved and the entire human race when push came to shove. Plus, I've seen Shia in the music video for the Sia song Elastic Heart, and in that video he did a pretty good job at displaying a range of emotions with no dialogue to support them. Shia seems to have a hidden knack for playing on-edge type or rebellious characters, so it would've been nice to see Sam's character work with his acting strengths rather than against him.
Bay doesn't know how to develop his characters unfortunately. He knows how to make them relatable and get the audience routing for them certainly, but after that initial spark he gives his characters, he either glosses over most of the development they had in the story or write/direct them in a way that conflicts with their established personality e.g. turning Optimus into a sulking bloodthirsty brute in Age of Extinction who uses violence to solve all his problems. We see Sam go to college in the second film, and get his first job and even gain some status for his heroism in the third film, but he never grew up mentally in the trilogy as he still acts like the teenager from the first movie in the sequels.
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Yeah! I agree!
And the Michael Bay thing... Does that mean Cade and the other new protagonists will end up acting just like Sam when Transformers 5 arrives?
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Finally! Someone who doesn't just see Shia as nothing but a stroppy weirdo who does nothing but scream!
He was given a poor script, but I still think Mark Walberg did a good enough job at making Cade a character you'd want to route for, Shane was a bland but not worth my hate and Tessa only existed for two reasons; to be a damsel-in-distress and to be jailbait fap material for the film's dumb young male audience.
I'd like to believe the new human characters will show development and evolve in TF5, but since Age of Extinction earned $1.104 billion worldwide even though it was pretty much the same shit we got from the other TF films, I doubt it.
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Haha! Yes!
Yeah, Cade is awesome! Shane, well... Is not that interesting. And i highly agree with the Tessa thing.
Oh. Well, there just might be a little hope that they might develop and evolve: I heard that Michael Bay isn't gonna be directing Transformers anymore! He'll be replaced!
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Give Shia time and he'll find roles that suit him. Hopefully....
Cade was better than Sam because he did more than just tag-along with the Autobots or run around playing delivery boy with important artefacts; Cade, in his debut movie, grabbed a gun and took a pretty active role in helping Optimus and his team. Plus, Mark probably saw how unintentionally funny most of Cade's lines were, hence why his performance was a bit cartoony. Don't even, I could probably go for days about much of a middle finger Tessa is to improving the representation of female characters in Hollywood XD P.S. I'm kind of hoping Stanley Tucci will come back as Joshua Joyce in TF5; Tucci never fails to entertain me when I see a movie with him in it.
It was announced on 23/7/15 that Michael Bay will in fact be returning to direct Transformers 5. Looks like he's not as busy with screwing up the Ninja Turtles as we thought....
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Yeah. Hopefully.
I agree with Cade being much more better than Sam. He did so much more.
Oh... I was hoping that Michael Gay would go away...
Well, here is how i think Sam would develop into the badass character (that i just mentioned) if he ever will return:
Takes place after Sam proposed to Carly.
After Cemetery Wind was founded and the people who worked for it started hunting the autobots, Bumblebee tells Sam that he has to leave him so that Sam would be safe, because he knows that Cemetery Wind will gain knowledge of his affiliation with the autobots. The two of them then say their goodbyes and Bumblebee walking away slowly with tears in his optics. He then transforms and regroups with Optimus.
Sam was left heartbroken. His friend left him... But it was the only way for him and Bumblebee to live.
But did Bumblebee's departure work? No. Cemetery Wind already gained information about Sam working with the autobots via spy drone.
Sam then walks back to his house in a depressed mood. He cared less about his legs aching from the long walk, he was too saddened by Bumblebee leaving him.
Cemetery Wind, knowing that Sam was affiliated with the autobots and knows important information about them, hunts Sam and Carly down. A large group of people who work for Cemetery Wind are deployed to find Sam and Carly.
Just as Sam reached his house, with Carly waiting for him outside, he quickly sees a large group of cars and trucks coming this way. Quickly thinking that it was the Cemetery Wind organization he heard about, he quickly tells Carly to run with him into the cornfield near their house.
Sam tries to hide himself and Carly (pregnant with their child) in a secret place, an underground basement hidden in the cornfield.
The Cemetery Wind squad knew that Sam would be hiding, so they used a device to locate him and Carly (Well, their scientists are really smart, so they should be smart enough to create this kind of device). After approximately 20 minutes, they finally find Sam and Carly and they cruelly interrogate them. The leader of the Cemetery Wind squad taunts Sam and he hurts him and Carly. Sam tries to lash out at the man in anger but only gets another injury from him, prompting the cruel leader to threaten his pregnant wife by killing her if Sam doesn't tell him about the autobots and where they are hiding. Sam was conflicted... He couldn't betray his friend, Bumblebee, and he couldn't let his wife and soon-to-be-born child die... He tried to tell the leader, but before he could, the Cemetery Wind squad leader shoots Carly in the head. Saying that he was growing impatient with Sam not telling him anything about the autobots.
Sam then becomes extremely enraged and tries to attack the leader, only to get beaten up by his squad members.
The leader tells his squad not to kill him. He tells his squad that he wants Sam to suffer from anger, sadness, vengeance, loneliness, and more. The leader cackled maniacally at Sam and he and his squad left Sam in the out in the cornfield.
Sam slowly walks to his house and goes insane, breaking everything in the house.
after half a week later, he just sat there... On his heavily damaged couch... Watching TV... Not speaking and just changing channels over and over again. He quickly stops at the news after he saw the one of the autobots being (any random major autobot character that might've been killed off-screen) killed by the Cemetery Wind. Sam quickly stood up, punched the screen hard and started screaming like a crazed and bloodlusted man. He looked at the screen. Feeling numb and dead in the inside.
But after hearing something shocking from the new anchor, he stood up. With an extremely pissed off look on his face. He heard that the autobots were working with new humans (Cade, Tessa, and that other dude). He never felt so much anger... The loss of his wife increased his sensitivity to emotions and his insecurity. He thought that Bumblebee betrayed him and left him only to work for new humans. He thought that Bumblebee left him only because he no longer liked him. Sam was pissed off. He blamed Bumblebee for having him choose what to do: Betray the autobots and keep Carly, or say nothing and let the autobots live. His refusal to tell the Cemetery Wind squad leader about the information about the autobots was the reason why Carly died along with Sam's unborn child. Sam started seeing in his own way that Bumblebee's departure was just to confuse Sam in making a choice. Sam becomes even more pissed off after finding out that the departure was in vain and for nothing, as he was still attacked by Cemetery Wind and that the autobots also still died even after Bumblebee leaving him/
It was beyond the last straw... Sam then goes upstairs and starts plotting his vengeance of everyone who has ruined his life.
After Cemetery Wind was shut down, Sam then thought of something. He wore the few clothes that remained intact during his rampage in his house: A hoodie jacket, dark brown jeans, and some black, plain shoes.
Sam travels half way into the city and waits for a taxi to pick him up. After long minutes, a cab finally offers him a ride and Sam tells the driver that he needs to go to the Police Station, saying that he is going to work as some police officer now.
Sam arrives at the Police Station and gives the driver the fare. (Some money was still left)
Sam goes into the Police Station and asks if he could join the cops. He was accepted and then started training.
He wanted that job... Just so that he can exact his vengeance in the near future... Exact his vengeance on Bumblebee, The Cemetery Wind Squad leader, the new humans who started working with the autobots, and other individuals who are enemies with him. He made a vow to himself, not to speak ever again. He saw silence as his only friend he has in the world now.
That's my idea on how Sam will develop into that kind of mute, but badass character.
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Plus, Cade being an inventor/engineer on a team of bio-mechanical beings makes sense.
He keeps on saying that he's done with these movies, but then they make a fuck-ton of money and Bay changes his mind. Before he does TF5, we've got his next film, 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi, which has the premise of: "On the evening of September 11, 2012, the 11th anniversary of the September 11 attacks, a group of Islamist militants attack the American diplomatic compound and a nearby CIA Annex in Benghazi, Libya. They kill four Americans, including a US Ambassador, J. Christopher Stevens. A security team of six members fight to defend the remaining Americans." Michael "Penis Brained Racist" Bay doing a film featuring Americans fighting Islamist militants and the aftermath of 9/11? Yeah sure, give something heavy and potentially controversial like this to the man who made the insensitive cinematic mess known as Pearl Harbour. What could possibly go wrong!
So.....Sam basically becomes The Punisher? Not the worst idea out there, I like it.
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It totally makes sense!
Well... Bay is kind of a really greedy bastard. He's just in it for the cash! I really do not like how he's making movies in his own image and way... It's getting annoying. Wait, he's making a movie about americans fighting islamists? WHAT?
Good to know you like my idea of Sam's development!
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Sense in a Bayformers movie? What the hell!
13 Hours will probably just be a load of dumb jock Americans killing racist portrayals of Islamists, all in the name of patriotism. Like you say, making these kinds of movies isn't the problem; it's letting Bay make these kind of movies. When he does his own original ideas, like say Bad Boys, The Rock or The Island, Bay's stupid yet awesome style of filmmaking works, but when he applies it to something like a historical event or an already established franchise like TMNT or Transformers, it tends to backfire.
I have an additional idea for it; Sam ends up hating humanity and the Autobots so much, that he tracks down Galvatron and aligns himself with the Decepticons to act out his revenge!
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Sorry about the sarcasm i made back there.
So the movie is gonna be all about americans killing racist people? Yikes.
Yeah, Bay is horrible... Yet sometimes his way of making movies just works! But, apply his way of making movies to an already made franchise or some certain thing in the past, it gets ugly...
Yeah! That idea would be totally great! I mean, we all know the saying: You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. That evil transformation should happen to Sam to make him look cooler and to make him be much less annoying!
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Oh, if they were killing racist people, as in like the members of the KKK or the West Boro Baptist Church, then I'd fucking love the movie, lol! No, it's characters whose portrayals are racist to Islam that'll probably be in the movie.
The way he inaccurately showed the Japanese firing on hospitals in the Pearl Harbour attacks or how moronic he made American soldiers look....just no.
Plus, it could lead the way into an awesome and deep conversation between him and Optimus, where he goes up to Sam and is like: "I once thought as you did Sam, that seeking revenge for those I lost would bring me peace, but it didn't. All my rage did was turn me into the monsters I fought against. You have every right to never forgive us for what happened to your child and Carly, but siding with Galvatron won't make your planet a better place Sam; it will only help to destroy it, just like Cybertron. Please my friend; don't do this." And then to really hammer the point home, Bumblebee could project a hologram of a happy Carly rubbing her baby bump, with his radio blurting out the message: "Would they want you to do this?".
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Agreed!
That is so touching... So brilliant... So heart-warming! So emotional! You are great at making awesome and deep conversations!
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Well, I do try. *blushes* Hell, I'd even have Bumblebee speak with his actual voice like he did at the end of the first movie, only it would come out rather scratchy sounding, like Bee's vocal processor is so damaged that it hurts him to use it, but he'll still make that effort just to win his friend Sam back.
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Yeah! Gotta love how you know how to make characters look dramatic and emotional! Bumblebee using his real, but damaged and painful voice just to win Sam back. Bee knows that it will hurt his throat a lot, but he has to do it for his friend Sam... It's perfect.
The real voice thing kinda makes me wonder... Why did Bumblebee stop talking with his actual voice in TF2 and onward? Didn't he regain his ability to speak back in TF1?
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I also like to think Optimus' speech to Sam would be some much needed acknowledgment of how brutal and out-of-character Prime acted in Age of Extinction.
I don't know, laziness the production team's part? For Revenge of the Fallen, I guess it could be down to the hastily made script not having room for dialogue from him OR because Mark Ryan, Bee's voice actor, was only able to make time for voicing Jetfire in that film. The other two sequels, I don't know.
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Yeah, it is totally needed. They really changed Prime's character in TF4
Oh, okay.
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I admit, they really fucked up his character there...truth is, they never let him grow up, so he essentially remained the same for 3 movies and the lack of character development made me cease to care../
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Exactly. We don't need the coming-of-age exploits of a dorky young-adult as the focus of three Transformers films, I've got TV shows and films like The Inbetweeners (the UK version of course), The Breakfast Club or Superbad for that. Apart from Simmons maybe, nobody who appeared in more than one of the movies had any real development over the course of them.
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I don't really care about how good or bad sam was. I'm just curious of what happened to him, carly, lennox, simmons, and epps when the humans betrayed the autobots. At least in DOTM they explained what happened to mikeala but in AOE it never mentioned them.
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That is an issue with this film series (I would like to point out here that I've not yet seen AOE however): Nobody matters. The characters, human AND robot, are so disposable. Characters like John Keller, Maggie, Glen Whitmann, Leo and Galloway are put in the film to do significant things and by the next movie they aren't mentioned at all, like they never existed. And when was the last time since TF1 that anyone remembers Jazz and his death? Or the Arcee sisters? Or Jetfire?
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You can blame the writers and Bay for that they don't really care about the story just the awesome action. Oh and sorry if I spoiled it for you.
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Hence why I'm glad I watched the live-action movies; they made we want to give Transformers Prime a go. Y'know? That modern adaption of the franchise that actually gives a damn about the lore, culture and characters of, oh, what was it called? Oh yeah, THE TRANSFORMERS!!!! Don't worry about it, it's not like these films are popular for their story any way XD
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Lol. After watching Prime, I was like, 'Why couldn't we have the writers of this in charge of the movie? Obviously the care about the source material...more than bay and his gang anyway..."
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The irony is that the co-writers for the first two Bayformers movies, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, were the ones who did the executive production and development work on TFP. I don't know how much involvement they would of had in shaping TFP, but they clearly knew what they were doing on the show as opposed to those two movies.
This is why I think the Transformers movies should be Pixar or DreamWorks level computer-animated feature length films as opposed to live-action. It is expensive to animate the robot characters, hence why they probably have such a small-ish presence in Bay's films. Making the whole movie a cartoon would be more cost effective plus would allow more of the sci-fi elements the fans want to see be realised, and these days you could even go the way of films like The Polar Express, The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn or Avatar and make it an animation/motion-capture hybrid type thing.
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I totally agree with everything you've said here, Sam was bearable in the first movie alone and Shia LaBeouf needs to stop picking bad movies to star in, oy vey.
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My guess is that he either(somehow) gets tricked into some kind of contract so that he couldn't bail after movie 1, or he just didn't give a fuck.
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OH MY GOD SAMMY
Everyone thinks he died while Rachet was protecting them or something?
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I wish this was a deleted scene. It would've explained SO much, and would be the only highlight of the previous two movies.
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We need a like button on this site just for your previous comment lol.
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I'm glad that Shia Labeouf is not in this movie because of Dark of the Moon has so much screen time with him and that blonde girl I hate so much. So, Sam in the third is no longer likable and all because of that, still I think DotM is a kickass film, but it's just Sam and Carly are the problem.
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Even though DOTM is my favourite entry in the series at the moment, it still has a buttload of problems and Sam's bloated screen time is defiantly one of them. Oddly enough I liked Carly, for what little personality she was given. At the very least she was pleasant and kind compared to Megan Fox's character from the previous films, and despite it being ridiculous that it worked, Carly even had the balls to verbally slap Megatron in the face AND convince him to overthrow Sentinel. Yeah, she spent the last third of the film kidnapped and in peril, but c'mon, she did something her boyfriend would never have the guts for.
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I seem to really know what notes to hit with the Transformers Fanbase in regards to humour. And this is from someone who only follows the Bayverse and TFP versions of it.
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Those are the only areas I follow too. My friends will be discussing all this G1 stuff, and I'm just sitting to side, twiddling my thumbs. XD
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If you haven't, I would suggest watching the G1 movie from 1986 at the very least. I watched it out of curiosity and discovered one of my all-time favourite animated films in it!
I know that feel. When one of my friends not only said she was a TFP, but then said she wanted to cosplay Miko I was like: "Ahhhhhh! I've found the closest thing I could have to a best friend!".
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I actually don't blame Optimus for saying that. Sam was very annoying. Not quite as annoying as Kicker, but still pretty annoying.
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As annoying as the Annoying Orange?
But seriously, he was a pretty good guy in the first film, I just wish he stayed like that in the sequels... The Sam from the sequels is just... Y'know, the sort of person that makes you wanna scream: "Somebody shut this big baby up!"
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If you liked him, then honestly it's fine. 
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