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Aeltari In reply to pedaltone [2009-09-18 04:46:23 +0000 UTC]
Thats a really weird story. I think everyone has a theory about who he was, I was in London several times over the years and did lots of research unfortunately many records were lost or destroyed during the subsequent wars so we will never know his identity. I did form a theory, but like so many others it will never be proven.
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tymora11 [2009-06-01 02:56:29 +0000 UTC]
The annoying perfectionst imp who lives in my head forces me to point out that Jack's victims are generally numbered around five, not eight.
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Aeltari In reply to tymora11 [2009-06-01 03:56:44 +0000 UTC]
Its not proven which were really his, back then they didnt know which similar murders might have been him both before and after his supposed time frame. When I toured the locations the guide said that they have accepted 8, but many people still arent sure that Mary Kelly was even one of his so who really knows. Most likely we will never know. Its still a mystery, and people love mysteries.
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tymora11 In reply to Aeltari [2009-06-01 08:05:38 +0000 UTC]
I know. However, the Ripper Casebook website (one of the ones you linked) says that there are a minimum of 4, 5 generally accepted (the 'canonical' victims), and 6 that are considered fairly probable according to modern research. The remainder are widely considered to have too many differences to be consided part of the same pattern.
Of course, I have no way to know what standard the guide was using regarding what was 'accepted'. S/he may have been referring to the Whitechapel murders, which includes the Ripper murders and several non-Ripper murders in the same time and area.
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Aeltari In reply to tymora11 [2009-06-01 16:55:48 +0000 UTC]
He did mention them as the "Whitechapel Murders" come to think of it. This fellow told us that he had been doing that tour for over 25 years, and he learned it by following his father around, and his grandfather. His family has been in the area since before the time of the ripper and the stories of those days were told and passed down. Now I dont know if that is the truth, or if its a bit of theatrics to enhance our experience. Its too bad the areas now are basically paved and built over and the only reference you have is old photographs and imagination.
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tymora11 In reply to Aeltari [2009-06-01 19:52:41 +0000 UTC]
Well, being as its been 120 years, its probably safe to say those stories are at least a bit distorted at the very least. However, I've looked up the Ripper quite a bit, and its extremely common to mix up the Ripper slaying and the Whitechapel Murders, mainly because Jack the Ripper is so famous, so a lot of people don't realize there were other slayings in the area. That's also one of the reasons there's so much trouble identifying which victims are his and which aren't.
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Aeltari In reply to tymora11 [2009-06-02 00:50:51 +0000 UTC]
It was a horrible time to live if you were disadvantaged. Im always shocked at the cruelty and harshness of life back then. You should go on the tours in London if you get a chance. At the very least its a mind trip and well worth doing.
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tymora11 In reply to Aeltari [2009-06-02 01:52:42 +0000 UTC]
Someday I hope to!
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Aeltari In reply to HA91 [2009-05-11 17:29:58 +0000 UTC]
Im really into ancient mysteries like that. The next one will be a piece of Elizabeth Short: The Black Dahlia. VERY awful murder, never solved. I went to england and saw the Ten Bells tavern where Jack is purported to have been, as well as his victims, saw the areas where the bodies were fouond although they are surely nothing liek they were. There are some alleys that still have gaslights, and my favorite story was on the Jack the Ripper tour, they took us down one of these gaslit alleys so we could experience it for ourself. Well, a cat leaped off a sill onto a garbage can, a metal one, and the NOISE made us all jump and scream! It was perfect!
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HA91 In reply to Aeltari [2009-05-11 23:16:21 +0000 UTC]
wow that must have been one unique experience! these mysteries are rather fascinating, they stay in people's minds forever.
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Aeltari In reply to HA91 [2009-05-12 04:24:00 +0000 UTC]
Even with todays serial killers, there havent been any horrible crimes like Jack. Now we catch them fairly soon, but back then there was no forensic science. They were atrocious with keeping records, and it was so easy to cover up crimes especially if you were a person of influence. Those things do still exist today but for the most part a crime like Jack's wouldnt go unpunished for long. And yes, it was an amazing experience. If you like ghost experiences I can tell you several of the ones I have gone through.
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tymora11 In reply to Aeltari [2009-06-01 03:07:52 +0000 UTC]
"Even with todays serial killers, there havent been any horrible crimes like Jack."
I have a few names I think you might want to look up:
Jeffrey Dahmer
Dennis Nilsen
Ed Gein
Albert Fish
Richard Chase
Ivan Milat
Dennis Rader
At least Jack didn't do his worst until after his victims were already dead.
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HA91 In reply to Aeltari [2009-05-12 04:27:40 +0000 UTC]
The only sort-of modern serial killer that is an urban legend like Jack (that I can think of) is the Zodiac Killer. Never caught him either. And I'd love to listen to your ghost experiences!
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Aeltari In reply to HA91 [2009-05-12 15:10:05 +0000 UTC]
One of the ghost walks in Britain took us through some new areas which at one point had been workhouses for the destitute. Im sure you know what the workhouses were, and back in medieval times even children were forced to work in these hellholes. Orphans were sent to be cared for by the church....know what? Im going to write this story down and submit it as literature art! Make it a bit more....fun ...hehe.
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Aeltari In reply to HA91 [2009-05-13 14:53:00 +0000 UTC]
Its up! Tell me what you think.
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