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Published: 2015-01-27 06:27:19 +0000 UTC; Views: 23942; Favourites: 124; Downloads: 0
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How I felt during most of the 3.0 expansion.Β Although at the same time, I just kept thinking, Revan must have a plan, right? Some secret reason why it would make sense to do all this?FIRST [link]
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I kinda figured that two (at least) mind wipes/reprogrammings and 300 years + of mindrape from the emperor their brain was just kinda mushed.Β Β
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That was my understanding of too. Revan's logic may not make sense, but I can understand why it makes sense to Revan.
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All the well written ones do. At least from their perspective.
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Maybe....well my Revan is kinda hard to disagree with. When I played, he was the wise, caring, black man....who could kick serious ass....and flirted non-stop with Bastila.....he would be the bad guys you can't help but agreeing with.
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I'd dare say Revan had the right idea. Destroy something old to build something better on the top. Little problem, though: That doesn't work on a galactic scale
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The Fall of Sidious Empire say the contrary
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There's something that has always bothered me about romancing Quinn, I found out he was born in 3680 BBY, and by the time you meet him, it's 3643 BBY. Each chapter takes a year in game time, so by this point (After the hutt cartel) , he'll be 40, and i always pictured the players in their mid to late 20s.
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Yeah, it makes sense because he started his career during the war before the Cold War, was already finished with the Academy and working as an officer at that time, and THEN spent 10 years on Balmorra after that. He's definitely in his mid 30s, at least, when he meets you. Β I imagine my character to be early 30s, but that's partly from an RP standpoint, since generally you go through Korriban much younger than that.
But, same thing in KOTOR--how old must Carth have been to have fought in the previous war and to have a son who appears to be in his teens? Also going on 40, I imagine. But your character would be of a similar age in KOTOR, since you would have had an equally long career prior to the game, also fighting in the Mandalorian Wars.
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Found this a few days ago. You have convinced me to play once again.
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Just in time for the expansion! I think it's going to be good.
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Well with 12X xp its much more fun to go through the story now. I actually know whats going on again.
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I've started to pretend that's not really Revan, but a dude who happens to call himself Revan.
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InΒ a way it WAS like that. Remember the Yavin questline ending?
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Just make your Jedi Knight character Revan and your Jedi Consular character the Exile. Makes more sense.
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I don't care what anyone says, Revan is bucking awesome
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And has a seriously long story, it took me a couple days
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you don'tΒ understand, Revan is Edge Lord and must never be questioned because she is BOTH THE LIGHT AND THE DARK. NO REALLY, SHE INSISTS. BUT LIKE SHE ONLY USES THE LIGHT SIDE BECAUSE ONLY ASSHOLES USE THE DARK SIDE. BUT TRUST ME SHE IS VERY WISE BECAUSE SHE IS BOTH THE DARK AND THE LIGHT
really they screwed up Revan so bad in TOR I don't even consider them the same character. It doesn't even match up very well with the book Revan...
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Yeah... The writers must have been drunk when writing Revan's script. That... Or EA worked them so hard they no longer cared.
I hate EA.
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The Kotor Shadow of Revan is actually just the "Mad"-part of revan, while the rest of him became one With the force on the foundry
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How is that possible? Did his psyche splinter that severely?
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I have no idea
I guess the kinda "Dark" side of him had a so strong wish to kill the emperor, that it refused to become one with the force
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But wouldn't it be the good side of him that would be in pain becuase he would never see his wife or child again? Not only that but he missed their whole lives and basically failed in what he was trying to do from the start of him going to beyond the outer rim the first time (ie since the time right after the mando wars)
They had so much, so fucking much to build off of and they just made Revan a blank face. Revan was never very stoic. In in KOTOR where we had flashbacks of him being mute he was still rather dramatic. But we get someone just as interchangeable as Shepard
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It's... complicated. the "Mad" Revan is mainly dark side, but he also has all the reasons for the good side to hate lord Vitiate
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Why does it have to be dark and light, it's like the dark side is Revan's only human part becuase of the very valid emotions. Don't say that's the point becuase it isn't addressed in the story.
Revan did deserve to throw a fucking fit, anyone would in his position. He was robbed of his pourpse and of his time with the people he loved. No one listened to his warnings and the very thing he tried to prevent happened. At that point it should be Revan flailng into the chaos that is that war and just wreck everything. Not for the republic, not for the betterment of the future, but for just pure satisfaction of his emotions. The biggest "IT'S NOT FAIR! WHY DO I ALWAY GET SCREWED OVER?" that would have been far more interesting
But back to what we do have, Revan's good and bad side shouldn't be separate. Surprise surprise it defeats the lesson of KOTOR 2 (everyone is human thus have both good and terrible sides). His good is mixed with his bad (how he saved lots of people by different people die). Grey is not very becuase one side is white and the other is blackso when observed together, side-by-side, makes grey; grey is the inseparable mix of both the colors
This just frustrated me because it is suck weak writing anyway you put it. Even if the holes were seamlessly fixed and hit the bar, a low bar is a low bar. I expected more from this company, but I guess that is my folly
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Yes, I know. I've never fully agreed on the jedi's point of view, I know there's dark and light in all, but I didn't wan't to make a to long comment, so I shortened it down by using "dark" and "light" terms, you could say i described it the way the Jedi order would
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So much waisted potential
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Well, the Emperor WAS responsible for a lot going bad in his life.
So I guess that makes sense. I will never be a fan of his "canon" look in SWTOR. I guess Disney did something right in that respect.
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I actually prefer the "cannon" look, maybe because I was first introduced to that
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or maybe it was because all that cool mystical awesome Revan came from Obsidian when they did KOTOR 2 and did a retrospect on what happened during the war. Like if you play through the first one it's rather unclear what happened and only from a bias source (the republic loyalist side). Obsidian had no part in TOR thus Revan wasn't up to all the hype the second game gave him.Β
And apparently they were incapable of understanding the KOTOR 2 characters because they fuck over the Exile really hard in TOR. The book just kinda kills her off like a red shirt and the way she acts is 3000x not what Kreia tried to shape her to be. CANT SHE ALSO NOT BE ABLE TO BE A FORCE GHOST BECAUSE SHE'S SOME SORT OF FORCE LEECHING MONSTROSITY??
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Plus, wouldn't the Emperor be more interested in keeping the Exile alive more than Revan? Revan was just some powerful chump, but the Exile was a Force-leeching monster that spawned the likes of Nihilus and Sion. I'm sure the Emperor would be more interested in that prize, and I'm sure Scourge would know that as well.
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I would think he would want Revan becuase Revan is an unstoppable genius if he was fighting for you. But Revan is also a slippery fellow when it comes to loyalty. So keeping Revan as like a giant well for the emporer to suck dry makes sense. Of anything I would have thought I was Exile who posed a threat to his reign since they have the same power
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Not really. The Emperor can always eat a planet or two if he wanted a well of power, and he already had the Dark Temple, which was a well of Dark power.Β
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Ahh, then... Then why did he need Revan? For the Lolz?
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Conduit to the light side.
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Revan isn't that lighsided... Maybe I would understand if he was mining Revan's brain for information on the inner workings of republic military and the Jedi. Or hell it was Revan who came up with the most efficient way to kill a Jedi which would useful to the emperor, but no apparently
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Still, if I were the Emperor, keeping the Exile would've been a better prize. Revan already betrayed the Sith once before. The Exile however......even as a prisoner her value is great. I wouldn't view her as a threat, I'd view her as a case subject, look over her history at Malachor, and try to see if I can replicate that feat on a larger scale.
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Eh well it is all broken logic and conjecture either way so everything basically doesn't matter. It's a plot hole and nothing short of fixing the basic principle is going to satisfyingly fix the problem (or not even just satisfyingly, just staight up fix)
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Not too mention the Jedi Order 300 years later is starting to relive old mistakes again.
That was not how it was supposed to go when the exile left. Visas, Atton, Mira, Mical, Bastila and Brianna were supposed to fix Jedi flaws, but it's blatantly apparant they failed.
It's like Bioware forgot about their own game. And didn't consult Obsidian at all.Β
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You mean embody the old mistakes? Like in the first trailer the Sith voice over said they squandered in their power unchallenged and unready. The whole point of the Jedi Civil War was to warm up the republic and reform the Jedi just for this war, in a break-the-arm-so-it-can-heal-properly sort of way. But nope, I guess.
You know Obsidian has repeatedly to this very day shown a great interest in making KOTOR 3. The only thing holding them back is permission from EA/Dinsey at this point. And I bet they wouldn't even make a horrible mass effect clone like Bioware is doing.
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I don't completely hate the game, at all, its just the story in many ways is a massive letdown. And *their* Revan is awful, in every way, personality, looks, etc.
Yeah I'd love to see a KOTOR game made by Obsidian, the thing is Disney wouldn't care, but EA certainly would. Despite being on it's last legs (They have not had a profitable year since 2011), EA is still far too greedy and set in it's ways to let an independent company work on *their* property.
We're not going to get a KOTOR 3 until EA dies.Β
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Oh neither do I, it's just the revan stuff makes mad more than it really should. Actually anything not having to do with the Revan story I like very much. I'm having a blast in the Imperial Agent story and just everything about the Sith side is pretty interesting. They did a good job there. Just not with revan
And being the soul star wars game makers they are going to be around for a while.
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EA has only been breaking even the past 4 years. Financial mismanagement as well as a shattered reputation and ultimately rushed or overhyped games that failed to sell has seriously hurt EA's bottom line.
They are on Life support with only unfair microtransactions and their sports catalogue keeping them alive, and even then Only Madden and FIFA are profitable. SWTOR cost 500 million to make, and only now 4 years later have they had a return on that investment.
Simcity, Battlefield Hardline, Titanfall and yes even SWTOR are overly-expensive blunders. If Battlefront and Mirror's Edge 2 fail to sell, EA is finished.Β
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Well even so the games are fun and sell well... But don't live up to their expectations because in order to just break even they have to sell millions of copies which is often unreasonable. Place you predictions now for Battlefront:
It kinda erks me how Dinsney either 1. didn't check all the triple a game makers to find the one that would best take care of branding or 2. Fell into EA's honey words to give soul licensing rights to them. That's was fucking stupid of them, soul rights?
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I think it has more to with the extensive history Lucasarts and DI has with EA. But here's the beautiful part of that deal... if EA goes bankrupt, Disney Interactive and Lucasarts get all of EA's I.P's and gaming studios to either use or sell at their leisure. Not a single other publisher was willing to sign that deal because of that clause, but EA was and is very, very desperate.
Yeah the current system is extremely broken. Development costs are way too high, and just one mistake can seriously hurt the bottom line. Aliens: Colonial Marines and Sonic Boom have driven Sega of America to near-bankruptcy, the Final Fantasy 13 series and Final Fantasy XV being in development hell for so long seriously wounded Square-Enix, DmC: Devil May Cry seriously hurt Capcom, and do I even need to mention what AC: Unity did to Ubisoft?
It's bad all-over, and that's why you see these "Exclusive" Deals being made with Microsoft and Sony being made, they need their help to cover the costs of Street Fighter and Tomb Raider now. The house of jenga is going to give.
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Oh my god, oh my god that is beautiful. DICE, Bioware, all those good franchises will be free!! I take it back Disney really DID know what they were doing.
Well that's why we have indi! Even Obsidian was able to get out from under the corporate thumb. Check out their crowd funded Pilars of Eternity, true craft and true rpg throw back, so I hear. Even Bloodborne is great and living up to great quality. We just have to wait this out, it's going to be nuts to see these corrporations fall. I just really hope they have the great to not drag their good small companies under with them Bullfrog style. As much as Bioware is disappointing me now I don't want them to disappear
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