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I like England/UK but I had to release my anger on someone!
After my government declared the nuclear power phase-out of Germany, I decided to read the reactions of part of the world press. (…which must mean, that I’m a masochist! X_X’’’)
The reactions ranged from positive and explicative [link] (extremely seldom)
over (sadly quite often shallow) objection [link]
to mere insulting. [link]
It is this last group that encouraged me to draw this pic.
I understand that there is a lot to worry about and that more and more questions will occur the farther this project develops, but to simply say “The Germans are stupid! The rest of Europe is stupid too, because they might follow Germany’s lead! Nuclear is best!” is - in my opinion – either the work of a lobbyist or the blowzy work of a very lazy reporter.
Also, I find the idea that the majority of the people of a country (who in all polls since Chernobyl voted constantly against nuclear power) now just act because of “panic” and “don’t know what they are doing” quite insulting. <_<’’’
Furthermore, calling us “the grandchildren of the Nazis” in an article that has nothing to do with WW2 is quite distasteful. (Not to mention, that not all Germans were Nazis!)
So no matter if you are pro or contra nuclear energy, please do not just declare the opposing people stupid! They might have their reasons for their opinion.
Edit: if somebody is wondering what England/UK is holding: [link]
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Again, I could totally see this being a Polandball comic strip XD
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Green energy is a fine and excellent concept that requires much more attention than it receives, and has a most unfortunate stigma attached to it. It does have some serious flaws no one in the supporting class likes to address, such as the horrendously bad efficiency rates of solar panels. Nuclear power, if used without huge precautions, or if not taken seriously (Chernobyl) causes massive and nearly unsolvable problems. But if handled by those who know what they are dealing with provides a huge amount of power at low cost. The media however, is merely a tool used to convey the opinions of others without addressing why those opinions make sense, so no one ever brings up any details, angering all sides.
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Hmm, I don’t know how good/bad the American media is at explaining the pros and cons of all types of energy production.
Personally, I think, that the German media is relatively balanced. When the first nuclear power plants were built, the media was almost entirely Pro-nuclear. After Chernobyl it started to at least report about the dangers of nuclear power. And after Fukushima there was a short time when it only reported about the pros of green energy. Now it reports about the costs the change to green energy will bring as well as the dangers that is might hold. But it also does not stop to mention the costs and dangers of the “old” types of energy production.
I’m completely against nuclear energy.
Even if you ignore, that Green Peace managed to sneaked into quite a few nuclear plants [link] ,
or that many diseases/deaths of people that work inside the most dangerous parts of the plants cannot be connected to said work, because these people are hired-out workers [link] ,
or that the gaining of the fuel for the nuclear plants has very high cost for the nature and the people that live where it’s mined [link] (sorry, German only),
or that there is no ultimate disposal place for strong atomic waste anywhere on earth (yet) [link] (sorry, German only),
or that nearly all nuclear plants in Europe did not manage to pass the (highly watered down) safety test the EU put them through [link] (again German only, sorry),
or…(I could do on and on)…,
there is the one thing that is an absolute deal-breaker for me: If something happens not only the people that where “there” at the moment of the catastrophe will suffer but also their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and so on. [link]
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Very valid points, but the disposal problem (at least from my point of residence) is mostly due to people not bothering to put it where it would be safe because of cost and charged political issues. Also, the majority of nuclear issues are caused by countries seeking quick fixes to their energy issues without realizing the unbelievable danger of nuclear power, and that you must take every precaution imaginable to be able to use it safely and with decent returns. In my residential country nuclear reactor management operation takes nearly a decade and a half to be able to work, and nuclear regulations are incredibly strict as a single slip means the company loses credibility, and more importantly causes the possibility of harm. From this perspective you can see nuclear power is not dangerous inheritly, only when mishandled by those not completely dedicated to keeping it safe. And as to the expense, take a look at the prospect of thorium salt reactors. And yes, nuclear power plant meltdowns are among the most devastating industrial accidents possible, but only four have ever occurred that had serious consequences to the surrounding areas.
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He surely deserved it.
Thanks for commenting.
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*nods in agremment* and your welcome ^_^
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I am shocked!
I read all three of the articles and I am so shocked (especially by the third one of course). Did this author not do any reasearch at all?
The phase out is not an idea that arose from the after-Fukushima-hysteria. It has been decided years before already. And we're not shutting our nuclear plants down so that we can import nuclear power from other counties. There are plenty of studies proving that the phase-out is possible.
But what shocked me most... "The terrorism of the Baader Meinhof gang had turned out to be a dead end, but the politics of anti-nuclear protest had a lasting appeal to middle-class Germans" WTF? What has the RAF to do with environmentalism? And what have the Berlin Wall, Israel or Iran to do with it?
"The grandchildren of the Nazis,..." They can't be serious! I thought my heart skipped a beat. grandchildren of Nazis? My greatgrandfather almost died in a concentration camp because he was against the nazis. We are not grandchildren of the nazis. And besides, what has that do to with anything? Is WW II the ultimate argument to bring up for everything when the author can't think of any reasonable arguments anymore?
His "Germany is one of the most admirable countries in the world," following the other statements is rather a slap in the face.
I know I shouldn't take all of this so seriously. But this really brings tears to my eyes.
Actually I am not an environmentalist (Well, my colleagues make fun of me because they think I am, and my sister keeps throwing me a tantrum because I am not... 
The "Atomkraft? Nein danke"-shirt suits Ludwig very well.
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Thank you very much for such a brilliant comment (and sorry for not answering it sooner… [link] )
Is WW II the ultimate argument to bring up for everything when the author can't think of any reasonable arguments anymore?
Sadly yes, it seems like it is. I google “Germany” every once in a while and then read the articles of the “News”-section.
And from time to time I stumble upon articles that explain everything that is happening in Germany today with WWII. (Though, luckily most of them are not as extreme as this article.)
And don’t even let me get started on the comments some people write under popular news-web-sides… >.<’’’
I wouldn’t call myself an environmentalist either.
Mostly because I would have to change a lot of things in my life to fit to that depiction. (And I’m waaay to lazy to do that.
But I love clever technology that might help us to use the resources that we have more efficiently and therefore with less harm to the people and nature.
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You're welcome and no problem at all. 
Oh my... Isn't it really depressing to google this?
Yes, clever technology like that is great.
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I’m much better now. Though, I have decided not to work in my old job anymore. So now I’m searching for a job that fits me and my “more-stress-than-this-will-cause-self-destruction”-maximum stress level. 
(Maybe I will become a confectioner 
Well, it’s not like I read every article.
And most of them are “neutral”. Some of them are clearly “pro German” (yay, awesome new technology from Germany…etc.) and some are slightly “anti German” (If you can even call them that) (the leaders of Germany do this and that wrong…etc.) and the fewest are extremely “anti German”.
Yay, another “clever-technology”-fan **highfives**
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That's good to hear! I hope you'll be fine forever now (ja, weiß schon, das sind große Worte... ^^°)
Woah~! Confectioner sounds great. That's something I would have liked too. But don't you have to get up incredibly early then? >_< But I would be a regular customer.
Yeah!
Oh... May I ask you something? As far as I remember you were from Swabia, right? I'm thinking about doing a little fancomic with a Swabia some time (don't know when though). Would it be okay if I interviewed you a little then?
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Maybe, I guess it depends on whether the cafe/ restaurant /etc. sells cake/sweets the whole day long or if it just sells them in the evening. But I don’t really care if I have to stand up at two o’clock in the morning (my sleep pattern is messed up already.
I will take your word for it once I found a job.
Sure I would be ok with that. (In fact I would love to.
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He, Englands Bier kenn ich doch >D!
Obwohl ich nichts gegen Atomenergie hab, find ich so ein Verhalten wirklich unfair und extrem beleidigend 
"Furthermore, calling us “the grandchildren of the Nazis” in an article that has nothing to do with WW2 is quite distasteful. (Not to mention, that not all Germans were Nazis!)"+1 [da bin ich einfach sprachlos... _-_''']
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Hehe, ich hab mir vorgenommen, dass ich England jetzt nicht mehr ohne dieses Bier zeichne.
Naja, England hat‘s in den Fall nur getroffen weil ich
a) den einzigen “Nazi-Artikel“ auf der Seite einer englischen Zeitung gefunden habe (in Kommentaren waren Nazi-Bemerkungen leider fast überall…)
und b) die meisten “Hintergrundlosen“ Artikel auf Seiten englischer Zeitungen gefunden habe.
Der Rest hatte glücklicherweise immer Gründe angeführt, weshalb sie die Energiewende nicht mögen.
(Ich dachte eigentlich, dass ich mich an solche Sachen schon gewöhnt hätte… aber anscheinend bin ich doch noch nicht 100% abgestumpft…naja, was soll man schon von einem Land erwarten, indem es die Komiker bis heute noch nicht geschafft haben, neue Witze über uns Deutsche zu erfinden. )
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Dann ist er ja bei dir immer betrunken xDDDD
Ja, ja... Der englische Humor _-_' Ausgenommen Monty Python kann ich ihn irgendwie nicht leiden. Aber ich bin generell als ziemlich humorlos bezeichnet... kann aber nichts dafür P:
Gegen Schwachsinn kann niemand 100% immun werden... ~_~'''
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(sorry das die Antwort so lange hat auf sich warten lassen. Erst war ich beschäftigt und nu krank 
XXXD Er kann die Flasche ja auch halten, wenn er nich betrunken ist.
…geht mir mit dem englischen Humor genauso… da doch lieber schönes deutsches Kabarett (Georg Schramm ftw!!! [link] 
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Aso, noch zu den Kabarettisten. Hab ich mich letztens dabei Todlachen müssen: [link]
Passiert mir sehr selten x]
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Hahaha, der Typ ist klasse! Paaaaaaaaaaast
Die hier finde ich auch ganz gut:
Urban Priol: [link]
Jochen Malmsheimer: [link]
Wilfried Schmickler: [link]
Volker Pispers: [link]
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Passiert mir andauernd, dass ich vergesse was und wem ich eigentlich schreiben wollte xD Ich müsste diejenige sein die sich entschuldigt. Ich wollte ja, soviel ich mich erinnere, noch was über DeutschlandxFrankreich schreiben xDDDD
Leider ist es nur halb so lustig, wenn England nicht betrunken ist xD Ich kann mir gut vorstellen, dass er besoffen wirklich alles was er sich denkt gleich auch rumerzählt und genau das macht, worauf er nun Lust hätte >D
Wo ich auch nicht lachen kann sind die neulich voll populäre US-Komödien. Ich hab mit meinem Freund letztens Gullivers Reisen 3D gesehen. Wir sind mitten im Film aus dem Kino gegangen. Der Film war einfach nur deppert.
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Urgh, ich hab auch noch so einige „Aufträge“ laufen, um die ich mich noch kümmern sollte
Hmmm, England muss demnach immer besoffen sein, wenn er im Internet Kommentare schreibt.
Hehe, bei solchen Sachen stell ich meine Erwartungen auf „quasi nicht existend“ und kann dadurch meistens auch lachen.
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Aargh, I don't see what's all that great about nuclear power anyway. It tends to blow stuff up if something happens to it... >.< But whatever. At least we in America don't use nuclear power. We tend to use oil and gas, though in some places there are solar panels and wind-thingies for power. *shrug*
On a different note: Arthur... about your clothes... or lack thereof... just... why? O.o I mean, did that happen before or after you got drunk?
lol, also, I love the clouds purposefully blowing wind toward the windmill. It's funny. XD
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If it would just blow stuff up, it would not be so bad. That it can make large areas uninhabitable for hundreds (if not thousands) of years because of radiation is more problematic…
Also, if a wind wheel breaks and you get hurt by it, the chances that it will cause your future children/ grandchildren any diseases is rather low.
Ähhhhh… maybe it’s just your area that does not use nuclear power… [link]
The good thing about nuclear power (and I guess that is the only good thing I will ever say/write about it) is that it has a relatively good Carbon footprint.
Sadly the nuclear plants are rather slow (You need about a day to switch them “on/off” (and by “off” I mean that they don’t produce energy for the power network… you can’t really switch them off) so it is quite hard to build Solar/Wind power plants while they are still used. The operator of the Wind power plants can’t be sure, that he won’t be ordered to switch off his plants because the nuclear power plant is “blocking” the power network.
: I… like to strip when I’m drunk…
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Well, yes, I suppose that's true...
Oh, great, just what I need. The US has 30% of the world's nuclear power. -_-
Right, well I guess that's true. But I still think the dangers outweigh the good things. I mean, look at all the damage from that nuclear plant in Japan. That was pretty bad, and they have less nuclear power than us. There could possibly be some sort of chain reaction if you hit the right spot, and then half the country could be down...
: o good to know, Akky. Good to know.
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I would be more worried about terrorist attacks or cyber war hitting the nuclear plants, than a chain reaction. (At least as long as there is no heavy earthquake while several plants stand on the same crevice)
It’s funny – when I was little I always thought that it was stupid of the Power Ranger’s bad guys to put a self-destruction button on their minion’s chests…
… now I realize that our countries have the same sort of logic as them… T-T
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Ohhh, I see. XD Well, in that case, England you can be drunk more often.
You know, I've always wondered what I would do if I got drunk. O.o I guess when I'll eventually get drunk I wouldn't know unless someone told me. god, I hope I don't do something stupid when I get drunk. D:
Well, I suppose that's true. The power plants would have to be closer together for a chain reactive... but you never know when it comes to terrorists. -_- There hasn't really been any serious threats since 9/11, but you never know. Thats why security is so much more of a hassle nowadays. Especially in airports. It's kinda annoying, even though it's to protect the country and all that...
I always thought the same! I kept complaining about it to anyone who was around, mostly my bro and parents, and they were like 'it's just a cartoon Sammy -_-' but I still bugged them about it.
Its true. Sometimes the smartest people in the country do stupid things. O.o
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I always liked the don’t-drink-too-much-spots they showed (at least for a while) in Germany. [link]
Especially, because they don’t tell you to “not drink at all” but to know your own limits.
But I simply don’t like the taste of alcohol, so I don’t need TV-ads to make me not drink.
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I find the whole safety-ceremony at airports pointless.
1) If the terrorists want to blow up the plane, there are chemicals that can cause an enormous explosion even in little amounts => the “don’t take too much liquids in your handbag”-rule is useless.
2) They can’t check all the cargo. While the people and their luggage might be explosive substance free, there can still be a bomb in the enormous amounts of cargo they transport day in day out.
To tell the truth, I’m way more scared of governments hollowing out the rights of their people then I’m of terrorists…
…but like Benjamin Franklin so nicely said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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I hope it is stupidity instead of coldblooded calculation…
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The taste, huh? I'm only 15, so I've never tasted alcohol. Actually, that's kind of a lie. I once had cake with alcohol in it while I was with family, but there was so little in there I didn't taste it. Also apparently I also had rum balls when I was 3 by accident. 
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Yeah, you have a good point. But, the government seems to think that if we make travel a hassle everyone will be safer. -_- they don't realize more security measures mean more loopholes and more cause to commit acts of terrorism too. Calling attention to something will actually attract the terrorists anyway.
Exactly. We do have constitutional rights here, and in some cases these safety measures just blot them out without so much as a "sorry for the inconvenience".
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One year more and you could legally drink some „not so strong“ alcohols in Germany like beer.
My aunt puts alcohol in every cake she bakes (Even when it was for my birthday). She also liked to give me alcoholic chocolates for as long as I can remember.
But I liked neither.
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Same here… -_-‘’’
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Hah, that would be pretty cool!
nice.
neither? wow. but when it's someone like your aunt, you really can't tell them you don't like their food. So you have to eat it every time they make it.
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Maybe America just does not have such a strong beer-lobby.
When she gives me chocolates I say thanks and later give them to my mother.
But if she tries to give me cake I just tell her that I don’t like alcohol and therefore won’t eat it.
By now she “should” know that…
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Maybe so XDDD
Well, at least you manage to avoid eating it then. XD That's always the best way, accept it and then give it to someone else. XD
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Falls ich das noch nicht gesagt hab: Du bist großartig
*lach* Ich find deine "politischen" Comicstrips immer wieder toll. Und das "Atomkraft - nein danke"-Shirt von Ludo ... einfach toll.
*nochmal schnell drüberschau* Ehm ... Ach ja, die Sonne XDDD Und die Wolken. Und überhaupt alles XD
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Danke! (Sowas kann man nicht oft genug hören!
Für irgendwas muss die Politik (und die Wut) ja gut sein – und wenn’s nur das Zeichen ist!
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Dann sag ichs gerne auch noch öfter >D
Hach ja, die haben doch nur alle angst, dass sie ihre AKWs auch abschalten müssen *grins*
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Okay, nun hab ich angst ... Geht bald die Welt unter? Kann man die deutsch-französische Grenze etwa bald nicht mehr an den Atommeilern auf der französischen Seite erkennen? öAö
Ehm ... mal ne Frage/Bitte: Kannst du mal was darüber machen, dass sich "Deutschland" (d.h. die Medien und deren Jünger) immer über jeden Lebensmittelskandal aufregt, als dürfe man gar nichts mehr essen? ._. Bitte?
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Mach dir keine Sorgen! Es dauert Jahrzehnte um Atommeiler abzubauen! Die Dinger bleiben uns noch erhalten bis wir alt und schrumpelig sind!
Mich regt‘s eigentlich eher auf, dass die Medien so tun als ob alle Deutschen wie kopflose Hühner „panisch“ durch die Gegend rennen sobald irgendwas passiert.
Die Einzigen die panisch reagieren sind die Medien! (Und n paar vereinzelte Deppen, die den Medien noch glauben, wenn sie solche schönen Wörter wie „Katastrophe“ benutzen!)
Aber ich kann ja mal n Mix aus den beiden Themen zeichnen.
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XD Na gut, stimmt auch wieder, die müssen ja noch abkühlen und alles. Aber Frankreich ohne AKWs kann ich mir so schlecht vorstellen ._.
XD So hatte ich es doch auch gemeint. Mach das, ja? *_*
>.< Dann hoff ich, dass es bald da ist!
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Naja, unsere Urgroßeltern konnten sich noch nich mal n Frankreich als befreundetes Land vorstellen.
Nu is das total normal.
(Und wenn man bedenkt das die Medien immer so wie n paar fan-girls reagieren, deren Lieblingspärchen gerade Schluss gemacht hat, sobald es auch nur irgend welche größeren Diskrepanzen zwischen den beiden Ländern gibt, dann sollte man hoffen, dass das auch lange noch so bleibt!
Für unsere Urenkel wird vielleicht ein Atomfreies Europa normal sein. [link]
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Stimmt auch wieder. Heute haben wir ja nicht mal mehr sonderlich sichtbare Grenzen ö.ö
(awww~ Ja, stimmt. Auch wenn ich auf die vielen Küsschen zwischen Merkel und Sarkozy verzichten könnte *schauder*)
Vielleicht. Zumindest ein Atomfreies Deutschland. Der Rest ... vielleicht, irgendwann.
*seufz* Na gut, ist ja nur ein Monat ... dann hab ich immerhin etwas, worauf ich mich freuen kann *smile*
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