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Alvin1794 — Death Battle Ben Tennyson Vs. Green Lantern
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Anyway Hal Jordan claps Ben lmao, end of story. Accept it other Ben fans. Jesus, you guys make Dragon Ball/Shonen fans, those big brained pseudo-intellectual visual novel fans, and the other DC/Marvel fans look tame lol.
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These two people below are being the low grade redneck retards that they usually are. Typical for most Ben 10 vs debaters tbh
”Kilowog’s planet was the only thing being destroyed, not Earth 1”
This shows that this Alias626 idiot doesn’t know the first thing about context if it hit him over the head, and that he needs to go back to the fifth grade to get better reading comprehension. The REAL context is that Kilowog survived the Antimatter Wave that destroyed the Crisis. The same Antimatter Wave that was destroying all of time and space. It is made pretty damn clear in the comic (literally mentioned that he survived the Crisis and we literally see it as a huge white wave...which at the time of the comic’s release date the only other event shown like this was the COIE). Irrelevant if “only” Kilowog’s planet was destroyed, since we know it was going across the universe to destroy everything in its path. The Wave didn’t magically change power in the context of the original Crisis, nor in the comic. Try again downplayer lmao
“Hal Jordan wasn’t even important to the Crisis”...uuuuh so fucking what? Lmao he still fought his Parallax self who was directly stated to be a threat to the
“The WOG statement shows that Alien X could destroy the Omniverse in six thoughts”. Lmao NOW who’s taking shit out of context?
1) That’s an Art Director statement, irrelevant for vs Debating purposes and not considered WOG (though even if it was it wouldn’t matter unless explicitly shown in-universe).
2) Completely misses the fact that this very same art director claimed that he doesn’t remember making that claim. Or the numerous other so-called “WOG claims” Thus invalidating it.
And that’s just 1 of the many things they both get wrong. Like how Captain Atom destroying the universe “seems a little farfetched” when we objectively have seen him both create a universe (albeit within the Quantum Field, though it doesn’t objectively exist until he calls upon it anyway), how he siphoned Parallax’s energy alongside a few others, how Atom was consistently stated to be a threat to the Wildstorm universe & its associated Multiverse when dying and thus weakened, and how in that same Wildstorm/Captain Atom crossover event, he casually killed Jenny Quantum (who has universal feats and multiverse+ scaling by virtue of her equal Jenny Fractal creating a Multiverse). Oh and unlike Alien X? Captain Atom has a WOG statement about being capable of destroying the multiverse AND the in-universe feats and statements to back them up. Instead of just vague nonsense like being called “omnipotent” (a meaningless term in vs Debating) and only Universe level feats at best.
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Hal, before Ben can even react, and before the failsafe can kick in.
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Ben is not the one that Hal needs to outmanuver. The Omnitrix reacted to THE BIG BANG!
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Green Lantern!
Dude has fought against Darksied (who is comparable to Alien X), Ben's got no chance at all, and last I checked, Hal Jordan is Parallax (aka the embodiment of Willpower), if Hal dies in battle, Parallax is unleashed and Alien X won't be able to stop him!
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Hal's also fought or harmed:
- Captain Atom.
- Spectre (Black Lantern Spectre and normal Spectre).
- His Parallax self.
-- Hal Parallax also battled Spectre, and killed Time Trapper who is a casual universe molder and buster.
- Mandrakk the Dark Monitor.
-- Though weakened at the time, Mandrakk was still stronger than and drained the power of Spectre and Radiant, who are equal to each other in power (which is universal-multiversal), therefore putting him on a level above Alien X.
- Doctor Polaris (amped on the magnetic energy that binds the entire universe).
- Krona, both when he controlled and was amped by Ion - the universal embodiment of willpower itself - as well as when Krona controlled and was amped by all seven electromagnetic embodiments including both Parallax and Ion.
Plus, we know Celestialsapiens are far from invincible; direct statement by writer Matt Wayne posits that Celestialsapiens can still die by things weaker than another of their race ("Anything born can die. It doesn't need to be by another Celestialsapien"). So yeah... people think Alien X is invincible?
But hey, Green Lantern.
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Thank you for clarifying the difference between Parrallax (whose the embodiment of the white ring) and Ion (the embodiment of the green ring).
But yeah those feats you provided are enough to make this a massive stomp in favor of Green Lantern. Ben's feats come nowhere close to touching Hal's. People need to stop wanking Alien X and the only reason they are wanking him is because they don't want Ben to lose.
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Parallax is the yellow entity. Also, Alien X is far stronger then DB made him out to be
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That's because they knew Ben was screwed, so they high balled Alien X!
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And you're blocked for being one of those awful Ben 10 wankers!
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"They can blink and we'd be gone" - Kevin Ethan Levin.
He's a wanker? You are the wanker here
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First of all, statement =/= feat. While I don't doubt Celestialsapiens have that power, since Ben recreated the universe as a near exact copy as Alien X, we haven't seen it in canon. Plus, Green Lanterns can survive the Crisis, which wiped out universes.
That being said, Japanfan did not handle Xenomaster well at all, if he's going to debate with someone, he should actually debate with them. Even though I believe the DB was correct, I'll at least try to debate with someone who's arguing that Ben would win.
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Considering that was the same episode where Paradox and Aggregor both coroberated on such a result (IE, Aggregor claimed absorbing the powers of a baby Celestialsapien and Paradox (who is boarerline omniscient with how much he knows) said Aggregor would be omnipotent). Not to mention that it was stated the Celesitalsapiens were pretty much responsible for the reboots in Universe vs Tennyson. The reason Celestialsapiens don't have that many feats is because they spend most of their time debating on what they could do with all that power, like bring back the dinosaurs (Bellicus).
Also, you know everyone Post Crisis survived the Crisis event, right? Not much of a feat when I can also give the same to two Lois Lanes or the likes of Psycho Pirate or Pariah, both of who don't have any superhuman powers.
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure the asshat had little to use. My experience is if you go straight to "fuck you" without anything else, then you just gave up.
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Again, those are both statements where writers of the show have actually debunked the ideas of Celestialsapiens being omnipotent in several Q&As.
Questions answered by Matt Wayne, a writer of the show:
ben10.forumotion.co.uk/t130p87…
ben10.forumotion.co.uk/t130p90…
There was another Q&A where I can't find the link, but one of the questions asked if Celestialsapiens could survive timeline and Omniversal destruction, and one of the writers said they can IF they could agree ahead of time and combine their powers with other Celestialsapiens. If they couldn't though, then they'd die. All in all, given that the most we've seen them capable of doing is Alien X recreating the universe, and the fact that several WoG statements from writers of the show debunk the notion of omnipotent Celestialsapiens, I find it very hard to believe that Alien X would be omnipotent. Also, saying Celestialsapiens don't have many feats because of the multiple personalities debating with each other doesn't really prove that they are capable of more than what we've been shown. At that point, we'd be relying on headcanons, which is not applicable in a researched debate such as Death Battle.
Also, where exactly did you get the information that everyone from Post Crisis survived the Crisis event? As far as I know, while there have been some exceptions, almost everybody ranging from fodder tier characters to even some top tier characters in DC have died in the Crisis event. In regards to the two Lois Lanes, I think I know what you're talking about, and it was because of Superman saving his version of Lois from the Crisis event. I genuinely want to know where you got that info from though because I have never heard that argument against the Crisis events until now.
I mean, there is Rebirth, which from what I've heard merges Pre Crisis, Post Crisis, and the New 52 into one entire canon, but I admitedly don't know the entire specifics of that myself.
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Agree with Alias. I mean, with how Hal has never shown time manipulation Post Crisis, Alien X can just freeze him in place
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The problem is that we don't know the full extent of Alien X's capabilities in terms of time manipulation. He can reverse time, sure, but that's about it in terms of what we saw what he can do in terms of time shenanigans. By comparison, Clockwork has shown way more time-related feats and is more reasonable to use him in terms of freezing Hal in place. Unfortunately for Clockwork, though, Hal just blitzes the Cronosapien transformation before he even gets the chance to use his time powers.
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We do. It's stated they can control all of space and time in the universe by Azmuth himself. Heck, the changes in continuity are proof they can alter timelines, as stated in Universe v Tennyson, they caused the changes.
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Hal can just move decillions of times faster and flick him and he dies
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one decilion times 0 is 0. You get what freezing time means?
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oh you mean that thing that alien x can't do before getting blitzed to high hell
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And then doing it as Hal could do nothing to him
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even though hal's uni feats are billions of times stronger
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What feats? Alien X can erase him with a thought
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Even though Hal resists existence erasure on a multiversal scale and can kill him faster than he can think?
Yeah, didn't think so.
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did you even watch the death battle
clearly you didn't, because they have brought up literally all your points
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No they didn't. Kilowag surviving the crisis is not a universal feat as only his home planet was destroyed. And they seemed to be unaware Celestialsapiens can make you just go poof or of the Sotobro effect
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And once again you show that, like all ben supporters, you just went straight to Kuro's video instead of doing any actual research. How fucking dense do you have to be do downplay the crisis on infinite earths to planet level
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Because if you bothered to read the damn book, you would know that Kilowog is from Earth 1, which survived the Crisis along with Earths 2, 4, S and X after a struggle at the beginning of time to be this weird hand thing that Krona looked upon which caused the whole shebang to begin with. This was after Barry Allen sacrificed himself to stop this anti-matter cannon the A-M was planning to use to wipe out said Earths. Kilowog surviving is no more impressive than Jay Garrick or Helena Wayne surviving the event
Really easy to make someone look like a moron when they didn't read the damn book
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sooo... what stops Hal from blitzing and oneshotting again?
oh wait
nothing
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Aside from no proof that Hal can beat Alien X, the Omnitrix gives Ben the alien he needs, even when something like the Big Bang is headed his way, little miss butthurt
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...Not trying to sound rude, but it sounds like you have no idea what the Crisis event even was.
The result of the Crisis On Infinite Earths was that the DC multiverse was condensed into one universe. After the Anti-Monitor ∞-5 universes. The remaning five were folded into one Earth, the Post Crisis Earth. Changes were made such as Uncle Sam and the Freendom Fighters (originally from Earth X) being active in WWII along with characters like the Shazam family (Earth S) Captain Atom and Blue Beetle (Earth 4) and several Golden Age Heroes from Earth 2 getting homes on Earth 1. Characters like Kal-L, Helena Wayne and Power Girl had their histories pretty much erased. While few remember the Crisis (including Psycho Pirate), none of them died as a result of the merger. In fact, the merger happened after the penultimate fight with the Anti-Monitor. Kal-L woke up on New Earth just fine. Literally surviving the Crisis event was not that hard a feat. It may not even be durability but causality saying "yeah, we need a space cop that is an actual pig".
As for Celesitalsapiens. You still can't deny that they are powerful reality warpers and that killing one is hard (I mean, recreating a universe without permission for them is a minor offense). Hell, the only thing canonically stated can kill one is Anur Vladis. Nothing can survive there
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Admittedly I'm not too much of a DC buff myself, but if what you said was true about merging the remaining five Earths into one, what about everything else in those entire universes? With Kilowog, a Green Lantern that Hal definitely compares to, his home planet was completely destroyed and he was left floating in a void of nothingness (aside from the rubble of the planet): 3.bp.blogspot.com/-dmGnyEXBFP8…
Plus, Hal still has plenty of Universe level feats that puts him on par with and surpass Alien X, such as fighting Captain Atom, who destroyed and recreated the universe in a nanosecond without even realizing it, and fighting Krona, who was possessing the literal universal embodiments of the emotional spectrum, which included Ion, the embodiment of willpower itself. Even other GLs that Hal is comparable to have some Universe level feats, such as when Kyle Rayner contained a big bang: qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-…
As for Celestialsapiens, I'm not saying that they aren't powerful, I'm just saying they aren't unbeatable. Also, Anur Vladis is not the only thing that can kill Celestialsapiens, as writers of the show have pointed out in several Q&As, and the Cronosapien Time Bomb killed Ben 10,000, who tried -and failed- to stop it as Atomic-X, the fusion of Alien X and Atomix. And before anyone tries to say Atomic-X is weaker than Alien X, A) that's not how fusion works in 99% of fictional media, and B) why would Ben 10,000 use Atomic-X to try to stop the Cronosapien Time Bomb if he knows that Alien X is the stronger option?
Saying that Anur Vladis is the only thing that can kill Celestialsapiens is a fallacy in VS debating since it's specifically referring to the Ben 10 universe and doesn't take into account other verses of a comparable/higher power. It reminds me of the Omnidroid from The Incredibles in that regard. The only thing that can damage it is itself, but that's specifically referring to the movie's canon in isolation and doesn't apply to other verses.
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