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Amarevia In reply to DeadCobra [2017-08-09 19:56:43 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad you think so, hehe~

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Amarevia In reply to Simplybeeforyah [2017-08-09 07:15:27 +0000 UTC]

Haha, thanks for the and the !

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Amarevia In reply to pokjy [2017-08-09 07:14:32 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much!
I'm a terrible person, but I actually like this about her. I like that she can be violent, cruel and heartless. Though what I generally don't like about villains in Magi (especially females) is that Ohtaka seems to feel the need to emphasize how evil her villains are by making them do pointless cruel things. For example, there was no need for Rotter to die, Serendine could have kept him alive and used him as a spy, I think this would have been more beneficial to her. She could have discovered a way to quietly assassinate Barbarossa or something.
Anyway, I expect her to have some kind of "redemption moment" where she reflects on her mistakes and then dies.
And yeah, Zepar is totally my favourite djinn.

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pokjy In reply to Amarevia [2017-08-09 09:36:25 +0000 UTC]

I don't think they're a lot of "vilains" in magi : it's a bit like real life : everyone as their opinion and evertone fight for it . For exemple , in the magnostad war , Sheherazade wanted to win magnostad for protecting the non-magicians who were defenseless ( and also to win easly their fight versus kou ) , Kou wanted to unify the world and Magnostad wanted to stay independant . I don't think they're villains . The persons we can call villain may be Umm Madaura , Arba , Serendine , Barabarossa and David . I don't truly see other persons to be "evil" . And I don't really see how you can sympathise with all of thoses ! Umm Madaura doesn't care about anything or anybody , even slaves who were truly attached to her ( Kil and Fatima for exemple ) . Arba is a true B*tch and only want to follow "her father" ( ... But just like you love Serendine , I'm very attached to her <3 ) . And I don't think we can call people like Falan heartless . She seems to really like childs for exemple , and , we don't even know how she acted in the Sindria war .
Zepar is the djinn who is the more important in the series I think . He was used in the Sidria war , ended the biggest war in the world ( the Kou war , and also the end of this war was the beggining of the "peace" ) and also is the only djinn who was called "not that good " .

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Amarevia In reply to pokjy [2017-08-09 19:56:19 +0000 UTC]

Well, the villain of the Magnostadt arc is Matal Mogamett, who is practically Wizard Hitler.
You see, this is why I like Serendine. I can't really sympathize with any other Magi villains you mentioned, but I can sympathize with Serendine and I don't see her as "pure evil" either. I understand where she is coming from and what she is fighting for. In Sinbad's place, I would have allied with her from the beginning instead of befriending Barbarossa. Although she may not have been a better ruler than Barbarossa or her father. But to be honest, I think what caused Serendine's downfall is partly Sinbad himself. She thought she'd found an ally to take back her country, but Sinbad chose to support her arch enemy and deliberately ignore all his wrongdoings. How would that make you feel if you were Serendine? X'D What I also like about Serendine is that she seems to be one of the few characters who can take on Sinbad and even win against him.
I truly hated Umm Madaura, though. She is the definition of pure evil. I read the omake with Kil the other day and it made me feel so sad and mad at Madaura. Arba was pretty cool before she went batshit insane for Ilah/David and killed a lot of people including her own children (or maybe rather her "host"'s children). Falan hasn't done anything particularly outrageous yet, but she's more of a "sub-villain" anyway.
The most used djinn in Magi and SnB is probably Sin's Baal, but I agree, Zepar has an ability that makes him a key element in the story. But don't forget that if it wasn't for Serendine, Sinbad and company could have become trapped in Zepar's dungeon forever!

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pokjy In reply to Amarevia [2017-08-09 21:37:17 +0000 UTC]

Yeah , we can say he is the villain of the arc , but he truly wanted to protect the wisards who were , at that time , always killed by the "goïs" . Okay , he used black rukh , and worked with Ithnan , ect , but in his opinion , the thing that he did a country for magicians wasn't that bad at all , even if he used peoples he called much less important . OKAY , he forced 200 000 humans to live in underground , but it wasn't exactly like Hitler . He did killed some people ,and that's horrible , yes. But also we can't say that he killed just to do a genocide . He feed them , gave them alcool and everything they wanted , ect . And that's the thing that is interressing , in my opinion .
Well , I can't sympathize with her because everyone in the beggining was like " oh she seems to be a nice person ! " and , actually , I started snb when they was only 75 chapters and I've never felt anything really good about her . It was , like , my instinct telling me : " don't trust heeeeer ... " and I was quite right I think ! I may apreciate her more if I wanted to trust her , but also sin said that Judal did bad things to him in the sindria war and when I saw her with judal , I was sure that I couldn't trust her anymore .
I'm sure her intentions were good but the way she did it ... I'm sure if she asked Sin to help her , even if it was "illegal" for him , he would probably accept . I'm with her opinions , but not with the person herself .
I guess if I'll found something like that , I'll probably do the same : I'll use sindria to take back my country ! But I would not attack babarossa like that with sinbad and take the obvious risk to start a war with a lot of innocents.
Yeah , thoses are rare . Ja'far , even if he likes him a lot , could probably kill him if he is really really angry , like he promise after sin's slavery . And I don't see anybody else who could do that (in snb , of course . Maybe Kouen could be strong enought because of his strategies and of course Ugo and David ) . Barbarossa was strong , but only because he as a big country and army . In a 1 vs 1 , he'll probably win .
I've never saw this omake because they're pretty difficult to find on the web ... And I'm pretty sad about it , I'm found of omake and all things that can give me more and more informations about the charas . It's always interressing I think .
serioulsy , Umm madaura is really evil , I can't stand her and a big big thanks to Hakuryuu for killing her <3
I also can't hate arba because of that . she was so nice before ! Also the alma torran arc is one of my favorites and I love all the charas in it so I really feel attached about her .
I'm really curious abou how many of her child she killed . It's truly horrible !
I really want to know what is going to do . Is she going to die a bit like Ithnan , or is she going to die killing a lot of people ? Who knows , she can even be in Sinbad's side at the end .
Yeah Baal is also used a lot as the main djinn of sinbad . But he is a djinn who is really special : the only kid who was transformed into a djinn , the only djinn with a LOT of body transformations ( the wings , the horns , the big ears ... He didn't have anything like that before ! ) the only djinn of the series who was saw with 2 different masters , the only djinn who didn't show his donjon and also the only one who wasn't trapped into a metal thing . That's a lot of things .

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Amarevia In reply to pokjy [2017-08-12 15:12:22 +0000 UTC]

I think Mogamett is actually one of the better Magi villains, he has his backstory, motivations and all. But he was slowly killing people (the 'goi') by using them as livestock and draining their magoi. Marga only survived because Mogamett allowed Titus to keep her as a "pet". Of course he didn't think he was doing a bad thing at all. I think a good villain is working to reach some goal that is not necessarily evil, but the methods he uses are evil or morally questionable.
I started SnB with the prototype chapter. X'D I didn't like Serendine at all at first. She seemed to be this annoying bitchy princess who is so full of herself, but is actually useless. I thought she was only needed for Drakon's backstory and she would probably disappear or die soon. But then she had more appearances, got some character development and she eventually grew on me. I think I started really liking her when she realized she was a major bitch to Sinbad and became flustered around him. That was so cute.
She kept trying to convince Sinbad to help her, it was Sinbad who snapped at her and told her to do her little revenge business against Barbarossa by herself. Sinbad wanted Barbarossa's help so badly that he willingly overlooked the fact that Barbarossa turned the people of his home village into monsters. He was not going to turn against him after that. In the end, Serendine had no choice but to leave the Sindria company and extract her revenge without Sinbad willingly helping her. Then she decided to use Sinbad by force, lol. I do not agree with her methods either, though. I doubt it was absolutely necessary for her to use Sinbad. She probably could have found a million other ways to get rid of Barbarossa. Then again, maybe Judal influenced her?
I'm not even sure about Ja'far. He hasn't proved to be all that strong to me (neither physically nor mentally). I guess Sinbad wouldn't stop him, but Ja'far might stop himself. Actually, I'd have really liked to see a one on one fight between Sinbad and Kouen! Sinbad would probably still win with his army of djinni, lol.
This is the omake with Kil and Maader: kilkaz.tumblr.com/post/1626625…
Ok, I think it's funny that Serendine is a little similar to Hakuryuu (in my opinion), but everyone hates Seren yet loves Hakuryuu.
Wow, that's interesting that you love the Alma Torran arc. I'm not saying it was bad, but I didn't care about any of those characters. I just didn't feel I learnt enough about them to really grow attached. Except for Sheba, maybe.
Tbh I don't really care about Falan and I'm not particularly interested in what happens to her, but I'm guessing she'll either die in the Partevia/Sindria conflict along with a lot of people or she'll remain in Partevia with Ceylan for some time.
Zepar is special because Ohtaka designed him really fast when she was running out of time before a deadline. XDD; I don't think Zepar was a kid, it's just that his species looked like that in Alma Torran. Do you remember Zagan's dungeon? He was also a pretty tricky djinn.

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pokjy In reply to Amarevia [2017-08-13 09:42:12 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I think he is . It's really interressing to see how and why he's acting like this and also he really really thinks he's doing good ,even if he kills and drains slowly magoi of a lot of people . Also , it's interressing that he not see them all as disgusting creatures . Okay , he don't see them as "humans" , but he saw Marga as a cute little pet and not like a disgusting monsters . That's not "good" , but that means he can have compassion a bit .
Ah XD for me , I started with the anime of snb and months later I've saw that there was also a paper version XD so I don't really know when I started with the anime , but when I started the manga at 75 chapters .
Okay , the way she acted was kinda cute ... And she's not THAT useless and THAT bad for Sinbad ( I think she kinda like him , that's why she "gived" Zepar to him ... And maybe she's the reason why Sinbad doesn't want to marry anybody ) Sinbad was obsessed with his wish of "having his own country" and didn't saw the danger who was right in front of him. I think I can say thanks to Seren to try to warn him .
Also , yeah , I don't think using Sinbad was necessary . But maybe it was the easiest way for her to do that ? She choosed to use somebody and take her revenge faster instead of thinking of another plan who could be less dangerous . Judal may influenced her , it's true ... But if he's with serendine , I don't know how sinbad could be so angry about him and told him that he made a lot of things in the war . Maybe he changed his mind and joined babarossa ?
He hasn't proved , but him sure if he wanted and was really angry he could do that . Also , he promised after sin's slavery that if he say again that he give up , he would kill him . Ja'far can be very aggressive when he is angry and it seems that it's difficult for him to restrain himself at thoses moments . Not that his powerful or a thing like that : he just can't be stopped . Yeah , I'm curious to see a fight between them XD But I think Kouen as also an advantage : he can heal himself and Sinbad can't . We saw all his djinns equips , and they don't seems to be for healing .
Yeah , they're kinda the same ... I love haku because he was good at first , really angry and they saw that he was wrong and tryed to fix his errors . He really tryed . And we didn't saw seren actually regretting her acts for now . I guess it's why I don't like her that much : I want to see her whole story before having a true feeling .
Yeah , not a lot people liked that arc but I was sooo attached to it *^*  I liked almost the charas ( except that I didn't really get attached to Salomon and liked a bit Sheba , but that's all ) because I'm really interressed in the Djinns . I don't know why but I want to know them more and more , that's why I'm freacking happy when the omake of snb is about the djinns xD
Okay , she was going to run out of time x'3 but , the specie he was with in alma torran didn't looked like him before ! The species didn't changed , only the djinns . So he look like this specie , but before he only had the lion tail . It's quite strange I think . And okay , Zagan's creature was pretty tricky . But not himself ! He didn't like humans , true . YES he throws up on Alibaba XD But he didn't wanted to hurt them even when they said that his creature was a perfect copy of him , horrible with humans.T hey passed and that's all ! Zepar , shen Ja'far called him "evil" , became so angry that he wanted to kill him "here and now" . That's a lot for just calling him not that good , I think .

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Amarevia In reply to pokjy [2017-11-12 18:24:15 +0000 UTC]

Oh gosh, I apologize for not getting back to this conversation sooner. To tell the truth, I wanted to read the new SnB chapters properly before I replied but I still haven't managed to read them, so I'll reply anyway...

Yep. About Mogamett... umm... I might be wrong, but wasn't there a panel from Mogamett's point of view where all 'goi' were shown as insects/monsters? Marga may be an exception but only because Titus likes her, all other humans are maggots in his eyes.
You're lucky. I'd been waiting for the SnB anime to come out for years lol. And some of my favourite parts were skipped.
I think Seren could have been an excellent subordinate to Sinbad, one who doesn't always agree with him and criticizes him when needed. Well, I don't think they would have made a good couple (they are too similar, too proud and too stubborn), but Seren does consider Sinbad worthy to be her partner and I guess Sin respects her (and finds her cute).
Yeah, it might have been the easiest way... They kind of explained that she couldn't have controlled Barbarossa directly because he was too vary of these things. Judal's been with Barbarossa all along, I guess? (I haven't read the chapters but I think he revealed that he'd been working for Barbs or something.)
To be honest, Ja'far is a big disappointment to me as a character. He has a charming design and he had so much potential but in the end, he didn't really do or say anything significant or memorable to me in the entire story. I'm talking about the main series of course, he can still be cool in Sinbad no Bouken. Kouen, though. He was pretty cool. The most shocking chapter to me in the whole series is when he was "executed".
It's the opposite for me. I don't like Hakuryuu that much because I don't understand his character development. (I also don't understand how his rukh randomly turned back to white after falling into depravity.) Haku brainwashed A LOT of people and did quite terrible things but it's all okay because those characters were random nobodies. Seren only manipulated Sinbad and Rotter (and got Rotter killed but yeah...). Yes, Haku did show remorse and regret (I guess that's why his rukh got turned back to "good") and Seren has not. But she's doing what she thinks is right, means don't matter to her, just the goal.
Ah the djinni are cute and quirky characters, but they are not very complex, I think. They are just there to be magical and quirky and Arabian Nights-y.
But the djinni seem to have different forms too, like Valefor who can appear as a kitty and a scary wolf-thing too. I liked how Zagan was "trolling" Alibaba and company, Zepar was simply cruel and evil. Still, Zepar is my fav, hahah...

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pokjy In reply to Amarevia [2017-12-03 19:55:50 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry too , I didn't had time to answer sooner c':

Yeah , maybe he do exeptions for the ones who are loved by other wisards ? like , you have show him first that they aren't that bad and he'll think they're better , even if he don't consider them as equal? Idk but that's interressing .
yeah the snb anime took time ... And I think some really cool things were skipped like the hunting with pipirika and hina , this was short cut :/
I don't like too see them as a couple . They look good as king and subordinate maybe , but not in couple . But the question is : why Sinbad refuse absolutly to marry anybody ? Maybe because he was traumatised of that ? Because even if sinja seems obvious , almost all the gay couples on series that seemed obvious ( like ... Idk ... laxus and Freed on fairy tail ?.. Gosh I haven't any better exemple than that :/ ) almost never happened and even if they were cool , the author almost always made them straight and got them with another person . ( the only exception I found was on SNK ... gay charas on popular things are rare or are made only for jokes. )
Yeah He found her cute but that was before all of this happened ...I'm SURE that it's not his opinion of her anymore :'3
Yup , Judal as been with Barbarossa all along ( at least he was with the organisation ).
I really like is role on snb because he's always the one who's not afraid to freacking slap Sinbad when he was giving up ; he did everything right for his king , even almost killed himself fighting for him ( on the last chapter revealed , we can see that Ja'far was ready to die and even said goodbye to sinbad when he fighted to death somebody ( that was horribly sad and we saw two charas dying when he was the ony one left. ) In the main series , he didn't do anything except saying "I will follow you anywhere" to sin and be a cool mom to the charas ( also he tryed to stop sinbad but .. Meh , that didn't worked at all )
His executions was a chapter that I loved. Sadly for me I could read the next chapter right after this one but waiting one week for the next sould have been ... Terrible. Seriously his fake death wasn't like the fake death we could see on popular mangas , that was almost a true death because he had to hide and that's cool.
well that was also the non-execution of kouen who made that. When he didn't killed him, he saw that the destiny isn't that horrible and stopped hating himelf . And no that wasn't ok at all because everybody wasn't really trusting him except aladdin : morgiana was watching him , his people surely weren't okay for first because they were for Kouen ... He had to be a gook king to keep his new place. He do showed regrets because Hakuryuu is ... Well ... He sure wanted to be king but he even if he said "I want to kill kouen" or " I need to get back my royalty and if judal can't follow me I'll leave him behind" , he showed affection to thoses people and regretted judal when he died ( he did a big ceremony for him ) and didn't wanted to do kouen at all , he didn't wanted him to be like he was before his "execution". He said things that he couldn't do but he didn't knew that it was impossible for him at that moment. He might thought that killing Gyokuen was easy so he could do other things like that , but he could kill his mother only because he didn't felt anything for her.
yeah they might seem only fun charas but they have personnalities and I like them a lot <3
I don't think it's "forms" really. For Valefor , it's like a big or small him , not truly a different thing. Zagan fun hilarious but yeah Zepar is still the best <3

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Amarevia In reply to pokjy [2018-05-01 16:56:51 +0000 UTC]

Again, I wanted to read SnB but just kept procrastinating instead.

Maybe.
I'm still salty about skipping Drakon and Serendine's scenes tbh.
I think Sin and Seren look good together, though. They make a very hot couple. X')
Sinbad refuses to marry because he dislikes commitment. Although it's true that he could probably have several wives since polygamy exists in Magi. But he's too macho and way too big of a womanizer for marriage, lol. He only likes to fool around with women, he probably can't imagine any of them as his lifelong partner. He doesn't see anyone as his equal or soulmate either, nobody is good enough for him. Not even his subordinates, I think. I mean he didn't even let any of them conquer a dungeon, they are all just household members, not king candidates themselves.
I don't really see SinJa as a strong romantic ship to be honest. I can imagine Ja'far having romantic feelings for Sin and it's canon that Sin is the most important person to Ja'far but I can't imagine Sin falling for anyone. While I truly enjoyed their interactions in the earlier parts of the series, the thing that ultimately made me turn away from SinJa was the last arc where Sin was a major asshole and he lied to and betrayed Ja'far.
Yeah, well, gay ships in shounen series almost never go beyond "queerbait" level. Male characters often have better interactions and more "chemistry" with each other than with a female character the author claims to be their love interest, but this is because the author gives the male characters more screentime and development.
I don't know, I always feel like there was never enough screentime for Ja'far to make me love him. He only punched Sinbad once (?) in like 20 years and was unable to do anything when Sin strayed from the right path in the last arc.
Yeah that was pretty cool, but the reveal could have come a bit later, there was little suspense this way. I'm still sad for Kouen, but I think he can manage even with just one arm, he's badass like that. Good points but one more thing I didn't like about Hakuryuu is how he just "ran away" and made Kougyoku empress.
Yeah well, big form or small form then. 8D

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pokjy In reply to Amarevia [2018-05-05 10:30:06 +0000 UTC]

I understand that xD
yeah they look good, but sometimes I think their relation is really weird, it's like a love-hate relationship but overly complicated
yeah but I think that's not the only reason he don't want to marry someone. I think Sinbad could have a wife just like he had parteners his whole life. ( also he's already a polygamist, it's shown in the manga that one night he was drunk and he married some tran womens xD )
I think he don't want them to be king candidates because they're subordinates. Kou thinks a lot about royalty and let a lot of people be king vessels. But Sinbad is the only person who is king in sindria and maybe other candidates could make conflicts. Also, thoses households are a "link" between them. If they had a djinn, it's like breaking this link. Households are close to their masters, but I imagine that if they got their own djinn they don't share a thing like before. I think it's important for them to keep this link so they can keep a friend/subordinate relationship.
well ... I think it's pretty difficult for sinbad to "love" someone but I think they're a few things that makes interresing their relationship in the last arc. I admit, Sinbad was powerhungry and didn't cared about a lot of people. But I think that it'seven more interressing to see how sinbad and ja'far's relationship evolved in this arc. for exemple, let's take the chapter when ja'far tried to make sinbad change his mind. Sinbad was on his own room and ja'far dashed into it. First : it means that ja'far lives close enough to sinbad's place to go there quickly. Maybe it's even just in front of sinbad's place. Before, sinbad didn't allowed anybody in his place, it was only him and the guards. Second : Ja'far was surprised to see him wearing clothes. So it means that every time he goes there at night, he's supposed to see sin naked because he sleeps like that. Third : He allows ja'far to come out like this. I don't think they're a lot of people who are allowed to do this, he might even be the only one.
Also, when everybody was under sin's power, ja'far was the only one who wasn't acting weirdly. Everybody said "it's because he almost fallen into depravation" but Hinahoho almost fall too when Rurumu died ! I think that sinbad couldn't bring himself to change ja'far entirely. Ja'far have almost always stopped him and he was the only one who did this. every time sin did something wrong, ja'far was the one who was angry and tell to stop, to do something else, to apologise... What if he was the only person that he couldn't change because I liked how he acted and couldn't change him ?
And also one of my favorite sinbad no bouken moments, when they all where in zepar's dongeon, Sinbad was so angry that ja'far died that he didn't cared if he had to die to avenge him.
It's pretty true that male characters have a lot more interactions and sometimes they're much more interressing than interactions with females... But I think that a lot of gay ships couln't exist because of the censorship in the magasines they were published in. for exemple, the shonen jump doesn't like everything related lgbt and a LOT of things were really dificult to publish or even couldn't happen for that.
Maybe I like him more because I watched sinbad no bouken in the same time as magi ? Idk. It's true that Ja'far isn't really important in the main series. ( nooo he didn't punched him once ... At the end of the slavery arc of sinbad no bouken ( about chapter 80 I think ) Ja'far beat him up almost to death. really. ( also masrur was kinda traumatised by that x'D ))
Yeah but if he was possessed by sinbad I don't thing he could do a lot of things. He had a little control of his own body but I don't think he could do anything useful.
I admit it, they could make it last a bit so we could all be really surprised about it.
Kouen is always badass for me xD I think he's even more badass than sinbad.
I didn't liked it at first too, but if hakuryuu didn't ran away, Arba would have killed him with Sinbad. If Aladdin was THAT injured after his fight, I think hakuryuu was going to die pretty easly. Also we saw that when Arba almost killed him before he went to Kina.

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Amarevia In reply to pokjy [2018-07-22 19:35:15 +0000 UTC]

Wow sorry for continuing this conversation several months later, I just can't seem to bring myself to read all the Magi/SnB chapters to be able to write a proper response...

Anyway, yeah, Sinbad's love life is complicated. XDD
I guess Serendine is the odd one out because she kind of took Zepar from Sin and she was his ally back then. Then again, the tragedy this led up to could be another reason why Sin won't let his subordinates become king candidates themselves. But take the Kou brothers for example. Koumei and Kouha are both king candidates themselves, yet they are loyal supporters of Kouen. I don't see why this could not have worked with Sinbad and some of his men.
I think Sinbad seems to be very outgoing but he's actually quite lonely. Aah I need to reread those parts about Sinbad and Ja'far. To be honest, I don't remember much of these details. Maybe I just didn't pay attention. I'm pretty sure Ja'far is perfectly used to Sin frolicking about naked, though. XDD I thought Ja'far was acting weirdly too?? Like I expected him to act a bit more differently than everyone else, but he didn't. (I seriously need to reread those chapters, omg.)
That's true. But it seems there's more and more lgbt representation in media lately. I remember when I was a kid, I didn't even know that it was possible for a man to be in love with another man or for a woman to be in love with another woman. I realized such a thing existed only in my late teens, I guess. Nowadays there are cartoons, books, comics, videogames, etc. with lgbt representation and it's a good thing.
Could be. Lol, I know, Ja'far beat him up. I was just exaggerating because I kind of wished Ja'far gave him a good beating a few times later on too. X'D
I think Kouen would win against Sinbad in a match where they weren't allowed to use djinni.
But why would Kougyoku as an empress be a better option for Arba/Sinbad than Hakuryuu? I mean Hakuryuu was also Sinbad's ally, why would he attack him?

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pokjy In reply to Amarevia [2018-08-13 14:50:28 +0000 UTC]

It's okay, I absolutly understand ^^

Yeah absolutly xD

The tragedy could be an answer but also I think that Sinbad doesn't think like Kouen for this. For Sinbad, everyone has their own country but they're still his subbordinates. If Sinbad died, none of the generals except Ja'far could take his throne. But for Kouen, it's more complicated. His brothers are his subbordinates but it's not like the generals : they're brother of the royal family. And if Kouen died, his brothers could have taken his throne. That's why theyr needed to be king vessels.

Also, I kinda think that thing "Sinbad can't go into dungeons anymore because he's too powerful" is also for his vessels. I think it has been shown in the manga.

I think it's absolutly normal to not remember all of thoses details, it's probably me 'cuz I've read at least a hundred times magi xD Ja'far is probably used to see Sinbad naked, yup.

Ja'far was saying weird things but his facial expressions and his body were kinda weird when I think about it. He was pissed of, but what he said was really strange !

It's true that there is more and more representation of lgbt characters but I think it's more in Europe and America. In japan, lgbt isn't accepted all the time. There is not marriage for lgbt people there and no adoption. I don't see a lot of lgbt in mangas ( except for yaois, yuris and other lgbt related mangas ) because it's not always accepted by editors or the public. But yeah, more representation in general and it's a really good thing !

I wished that Ja'far beat Sin up a few times later too x'3

Kouen would probably win, but depends on the situation.

It's not like Kougyoku is a "better option", it's just that Arba hated his son and she wanted to kill him. Okay, she wanted to kill pretty much everybody but Hakuryuu was pretty high on her hate list. Also, Kougyoku is young and can be manipulated in much easier way than Haku.

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Amarevia In reply to pokjy [2018-12-09 20:20:13 +0000 UTC]

Again, super late reply. I keep procrastinating because I want to read the final Magi arc but it just never happens, sorry.

Sinbad is just a really huge egoist, that's why he doesn't let anyone get on "his level", lol. Honestly, I doubt Ja'far would want to take his throne, it was actually Drakon who took Sinbad's place as the king of Sindria in the end. Is it even necessary in Magi for a king to be a "king vessel"? I mean take Alibaba's father, Rashid for example. We don't know if he had any djinni and his sons weren't king vessels either, otherwise they could have fought back during the Balbadd incident.
You know, Ja'far was the character in Magi I really really wanted to love, but somehow he didn't live up to my hopes and expectations. I wish he could have done something more for Sinbad.
Oh yeah, I heard Japan is actually quite homophobic. Well, Japan is still more tolerant about these things than my country, I guess. There's no marriage or adoption for gay couples here either. There is a bunch of non-yaoi/yuri manga and anime with gay couples in them. For example, an old classic: Sailor Moon!
True, haha. I never figured out why Arba hated her (or Gyokuen's) kids so much, maybe she was afraid they'd find out her secret? Maybe she can only possess females and she was hoping she could possess Kougyoku, idk. Anyway, she's just messed up.

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pokjy In reply to Amarevia [2018-12-15 13:11:34 +0000 UTC]

That's okay again x'D

Yeah, Sinbad is selfish as hell and probably consider nobody on his "level". But I think that Ja'far didn't went to the throne because just because Sinbad wanted to keep him by his side and after his death, Ja'far couldn't bring himself to take the throne / Since Drakon was already king he decided that taking the throne wouldn't make any sense.

I don't really think it's necessary that a king to be a king Vessel but for exemple, someone takes the crown with the help of magi, build a kingdom and his childrens will be king without any djinn but because they have the same blood. You know, I think that the Saluja family lasted 14 generations, one of his ancesters may had a Djinn ?

I was exepecting much for Ja'far too. I was really disapointed with his end but it's not the only character that was messed up. I probably said it before but I'm pretty sure that Morgiana was going to end up with Hakuryuu but the editors said NOPE and Ohtaka was compelled to make the Alimor couple. That must be the same for Ja'far : the editors weren't okay with some things and he ended forgotten as hell.

I think that Japan is pretty half and half about the subject. It's pretty strange. I'm not sure about how I should think about it since in France, gay marriage and adoption is legal and I feel like it should be normal pretty much everywhere ^^'
It's true, they're a lot of lgbtq characters on non yaoi/yuri mangas like Hunter x Hunter, Attack on Titan ... I'm reading sailor Moon right now and I heard of it, so I'm pretty curious about it ^^

I guess that Arba just hated everyone but especially her son because she couldn't possess their body and they were useless for her ? I don't think she could possess Kogyoku because she isn't her daughter. And yeah she's pretty messed up

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Amarevia In reply to pokjy [2019-02-17 18:03:42 +0000 UTC]

I made progress: I downloaded all the remaining Magi chapters to my phone! Now I can read them on the bus. X'D

Imagining Ja'far ruling Sindria without Sinbad feels wrong somehow.
Their ancestors may have had a djinn but this is one of those things that never made much sense to me. Like we know for a fact that both Scheherazade and Yunan lived for really long and had several king candidates, but when exactly did that happen? Just how much time has passed between this previous era of dungeon conquering and Sinbad conquering Baal's dungeon? What happened to the king candidates and dungeons back then? Why did they disappear only to emerge again in a couple of hundred (?) years?
Actually, I loved Morgiana and AliMor in the beginning of the story, but I ended up not giving a damn about them. I have to disagree with you on this, I also liked HakuMor but I was pretty sure Mor would end up with Alibaba in the end. I don't think it was because of the editors.
I guess you're right. Wow, is it legal in France? That's cool. Meanwhile our government still seems to think that being gay is a disease that can be cured with the proper treatment...
Yeah, not being able to control/possess them could be the reason why she killed or tried to kill them. Poor Kougyoku, Sinbad messing with her was bad enough.

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