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bensen-daniel [2011-07-14 12:43:23 +0000 UTC]
I did not know that about the crystalline style. So to get this straight, the style is a non-living rod excreted by the animal, right? How does it grow? In order for it to turn freely, it can't be connected to anything at the base. Maybe the base rests in a sac of fluid, and there are free-swimming cells like osteoblasts that build it?
Perhaps a further refinement could be something like a twisted rubber band, a net of connective tissue that stretches over the gear teeth on the stile, which is then rotated so the net twists around it. Then, with a release of the muscle, the net unwinds, generating a brief burst of torque. That might be enough to make the drill useful as a means of propulsion.
Another idea. If these things cooperated, several of them could glom together, then take turns winding their propellers while others release to provide forward thrust.
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AmnioticOef In reply to bensen-daniel [2011-07-14 14:53:43 +0000 UTC]
I don't know how the style grows, but I think it just solidifies out of mucus without much direction by cells. The stuff probably accumulates on the outside via the style's rotating action, which winds up a food-laden mucus rope from the gills. The style of my alien organisms probably grow more in the way you describe, since they're more sculpted.
Yeah, it rests in a sac of fluid, both in real life and in this fictional creature.
But wouldn't the elastic net rotate the style in the opposite direction of travel?
I like the idea of these guys going colonial-but it seems like the shell would form a barrier. Any ideas? All I can think is to stick the shells together with more solidified mucus.
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bensen-daniel In reply to AmnioticOef [2011-07-14 15:29:30 +0000 UTC]
direction of travel. Whichever way the screw turns, it will propel the animal in SOME direction. Does it matter which?
Colonial ideas...what about a mat of byssal fibers? Maybe these things can reproduce parthanogenically, with clones attaching themselves to the shell of the mother. Over time, the colony grows into a big ball of rotor-clams. Of course, when the colony gets too big, traveling through the water at speed will break it up. Thus new colonies are formed and the central mass gets hydro-dynamically sculpted. Very old colonies might look like submarines, with a cigar-shaped leading edge of dead shells and byssal fibers, with the live rotors growing at the base.
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AmnioticOef In reply to bensen-daniel [2011-07-14 19:20:39 +0000 UTC]
Sure, but you can't have the screw alternate directions, or animal won't go anywhere.
Interesting...I like it. I suppose less derived screw-heads than the one in this picture could evolve into something like that. More likely than the big ball o' critters approach is something more akin to a salp, i.e., a long line of animals attached to a "string" of byssal fibers (the creatures would be lined up with the long axis of the string).
Do salps coordinate their movements through nerve signals? That's probably not an option for these guys, so I guess they'd rely on chemical/current cues. Also, the screws would have to be pointed in the direction of travel to direct water into the creatures' mouths. Great speculation!
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bensen-daniel In reply to AmnioticOef [2011-07-15 06:50:28 +0000 UTC]
Oh, I see what you mean. Well, what if the animal retracts the screw during the winding process? I would that salps use flocking behavior to coordinate...okay, according to the great Wiki, salps have "dorsal neural ganglia" which are very small, and which definitely do not extend outside the body. So whatever they use to coordinate, it isn't nerves.
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AmnioticOef In reply to bensen-daniel [2011-07-15 14:24:30 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for looking that up. Yeah, I guess retracting the screw could work. Probably more for swimming forms in which speed might matter. Or maybe they could have some kind of chemical "boost", to borrow an idea from Epona.
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bensen-daniel In reply to AmnioticOef [2011-07-15 16:35:11 +0000 UTC]
I had this idea while waiting for a bus today:
OR. the bentic ones could turn the screw slowly ONE WAY to bring food into the mouth and wind up the spring ligaments, then release it and make it spin very fast THE OTHER WAY to propel water out and send them flying.
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AmnioticOef In reply to bensen-daniel [2011-07-15 19:29:55 +0000 UTC]
I could see that working in some cases, but doesn't that mean that the organism has to be continuously moving, if it wants to feed?
It would be complicated to evolve, but the style might have a separate portion that can detach from the main shaft; this part would be connected to the elastic fibers. When the animal wants to engage this part, it pulls the screw back, slotting a bunch of pegs on one into notches on the other. To disengage, it just slides the style forward (or rather, the toothed arms slide the style).
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bensen-daniel In reply to AmnioticOef [2011-07-15 19:33:49 +0000 UTC]
If by moving you mean moving the style, yes, but that's no different from other filer feeders. Clams and tunicates and whatnot are constantly moving water through their digestive systems
gears! I like it!
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AmnioticOef In reply to bensen-daniel [2011-07-16 03:04:40 +0000 UTC]
You're right of course. I was thinking of benthic animals like the one in my picture.
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NocturnalSea [2011-07-14 01:19:21 +0000 UTC]
or it could even end up evolving into an organic helicopter.
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AmnioticOef In reply to AmnioticOef [2011-07-14 03:47:27 +0000 UTC]
All animal life started from a shelled ancestor, that is.
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AmnioticOef In reply to AmnioticOef [2011-07-14 03:50:50 +0000 UTC]
The helicopter idea would probably work for little thrip-sized organisms. Hmmmm...
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NocturnalSea [2011-07-14 01:18:44 +0000 UTC]
Ha, I like it!
Yours actually seems a lot more plausible than mine, since mine is basically a living solenoid. I could easily see something like this evolving from a pseudo-mollusc.
As to the evolution limits-- I bet such creatures could become pretty abundant and diversified as priapulid-like burrowers. Or perhaps as meiofauna; there's some pretty bizarre life lurking between the sand grains or in the depths of a moss garden.
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