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Description A Homo heidelbergensis and  cave lion pen-and-ink drawings juxtaposed together.
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cave lion leo Eurasian
 
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SulaimanDoodle [2017-10-25 21:40:08 +0000 UTC]

Pretty cool, love the lion in this doodle.

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AnonymousLlama428 In reply to SulaimanDoodle [2017-10-25 21:41:46 +0000 UTC]

Crap wrong comment.
Thanks!

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AnonymousLlama428 In reply to SulaimanDoodle [2017-10-25 21:41:07 +0000 UTC]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jACnmO…

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Libra1010 [2017-10-21 19:36:45 +0000 UTC]

 For some reason I took one look at this illustration and thought "shapeshifter" (perhaps because that caveman beard and Cave Lion mane parallel each other so neatly).

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AnonymousLlama428 In reply to Libra1010 [2017-10-21 19:50:21 +0000 UTC]

Funny you should say that, back about 2 years ago I had an idea about a fictional fantasy-type world where there was a race of otherwise-human people who had the ability to shapeshift into animals, with the animal being person-specific, e.g. people who could weild magic had a good chance of having a griffin, etc. and one of the characters would HAVE to be able to shapeshift in to a KAYV LAYAN . Diasporas of these people would face discrimination/racism from "normal" people and have to hide their identities, to their detriment. In that universe there would probably also be a race of bear/dog/wolverine-like people who were also warlike.
Basically, these were based on ideas from that. The left is a character who can transform into a KAYV LAYAN , there is the same man nearer the bottom with his KAYV LAYAN form to his right, as well as griffin-forms of other people. TO the right of the screen is the warlike bear/dog/wolverine-people. With elaborate beards, of course. If you like I can explain more.

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Libra1010 In reply to AnonymousLlama428 [2017-10-21 20:01:06 +0000 UTC]

 I'd be happy to see you share your thoughts. 

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AnonymousLlama428 In reply to Libra1010 [2017-10-23 23:28:31 +0000 UTC]

Sort of the beginning to mid-2015, when I was in high school, I was kind of a linguistics enthusiast, and into ancient languages as well as empires, and I also had a love of KAYV LAYANZ and other ice age animals too.

I'll attempt to condense what I had thought up as best I can:
So, I pictured a fantasy universe - something like middle earth or Alagaesia, where humans live, but with magical, and some extinct fauna.
I had no vision of who the main character, plot, goals, villains or potential moral themes would be, just that they would have to be there if the world was to come to life - I would have made a story, for the sake of the world I made, nothing less.

There would be humans as ONE humanoid species - H. sapiens to be exact, no other extinct Homo. Unlike Middle Earth, there would be a greater emphasis on coloured, quasi-middle-eastern "good guys" (being Pakistani myself, I kinda felt it would be nice if we had more ethnic diversity in fantasies - Tolkien's easterlings and kith are perfectly understandable to me given the context of the writing of the books.)
Alongside them, there would probably be minotaurs, inspired by the Narnia films, and maybe some half-human, half-generic caniform race that were very warlike, lets call them Canimen.

Among the middle eastern-esque human kingdoms would be one that was inspired by the achaemenids of Iran, since they were, AFAICT, just. Since I knew a few things about phonology and grammar, i was actually planning to make up a conlang, mainly to show off to others, but deep down as a homage to the would be world I would probably never make.

In their empire, lets call it Pseudopersia there would be mountain ranges and wilderness alongside large cities of people. Probably in alpine/boreal forest areas, you would have tribes living there who spoke a dialect or related language to the one spoken elsewhere in the empire. They would have their own traditions, and would be somewhat inspired by Tibetan Buddhists today, especially in one aspect- funerary practice.
This is an amalgamation of what some forms of Zoroastrianism (achaemenid religion) and Tibetan Buddhism adhere to - a sky burial, with the cadaver placed atop a Dakhma-like tower to facilitate access to carrion birds. This is the whopper - griffins live in those mountains, and will often spook away any crows or eagles or vultures to consume a corpse, usually carrying it away to its lair, perhaps in the presence of the next of kin - the funeral would take place near the Dakhma. Griffins were largely Narnia-inspired too, and were magical in their ability to fly (otherwise impossible). Another animal that might inhabit lowland woodland/ steppe areas would have been KAYV LAYANZ or cave hyenas, perhaps in the pseudo-achaemenid empire or elsewhere. Perhaps cave bears as well - we would have arctophagous KAYV LAYANZ .

In bordering regions of Pseudopersia, perhaps, we would have another tribe/ society of humans, who live in rural/village like settlements, and are inspired by the Beornings of Tolkien, in that they are capable of transforming into a non-human animal at will - the specific animal being individual specific - perhaps chosen, or predetermined by personality or achievements. Possibly, more powerful/experienced people would have 3-4 animals they could morph into at will, and they could live in the wilderness for periods of time, hunting/foraging. Also, I would think that their life spans were those of them and their animal added together, increasing their longevity.
They would be somewhat insular and misunderstood by other peoples, too. I imagine that this would create interesting drama, as I planned that some griffin killed in recreational hunting/ consuming cadavers would actually be a person, which spices things up, because I planned to have some people hunt a griffin, only to receive backlash from real-life people,. Basically, like in Brother Bear, where Kenai kills Koda's mother, only to find out her true identity when he becomes a bear... something similar to that.
Some diasporas might have existed of these skin-changers, who are shamed or discriminated against, e.g. in Pseudopersia.
Perhaps some of the nobility are secretly skinchangers, for example at a feat, a character might notice that the general eats very little meat, and after seeing a cave bear out in the wilderness repeatedly, find out that the general is a skinchanger who becomes a cave bear, hence the lack of meat in his diet. Most probably that would be in a serious situation, e.g. being kidnapped by bandits while having to travel alone with him, and the general transforms and fights them off.
Perhaps some other character, who resembles me, is a KAYV LAYAN skin-changer and defends against wild animals in his feline form. Plus tons of maulings.

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Libra1010 In reply to AnonymousLlama428 [2017-10-24 19:32:34 +0000 UTC]

 This all sounds like quite the material from which to weave an Adventure or three! 

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zebG [2017-10-20 19:58:51 +0000 UTC]

Can I ask where did this whole KAYV LAYAN meme came from?

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AnonymousLlama428 In reply to zebG [2017-10-20 20:25:39 +0000 UTC]

Well, at first I was poking a little fun at my love for the cats:
comments.deviantart.com/1/6415…

MOAR KAJVE LAYAN PAYNTINGZ FRUM SPAYN!!!!!!!!!!!!!SOURCE:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/spectacular-14500-year-old-lion-etchings-discovered-depth-spanish-cave-1586749
Essentially I tried to mimic a crazed zealot, writing in capitals to express my childish excitement.
Later, my spelling became more standardised, and I boldened the text YUHS KAYV LAYANZ R 2 KEWLCajus Diedrich is a German paleontologist who has done extensive research + papers on Pleistocene caves in Europe, which means KAYV LAYANZ, amongst other things. He even has his own private research institute -Paleo Logic.
Well, actually, he refers to cave lions as a "fairy tale".
At first you would think I would have burned him at the stake by now for blasphemy  , but no, I actually really admire the guy.
He has a reason for this - these big cats didn't inhabit caves, but we merely have preferable preservation conditions in the caves where cave bear hunters were killed.
Hell, Zoolithen cave in Germany, the home of the (provisionally named) cave lion, cave bear, cave hyena and cave wolf holotypes has only 13 lion individuals, corresponding to ~1% of the total bone percentage, and it had at least 3 different cave bear species, denning wolves, feeding/scavenging hyenas AND scav. I still used the normal spelling in formal conversations though.
Then, in my  Mammoth steppe carnivore ecologyA couple months ago, I posted this journal where I went over the findings of a new study by Bocherens et al. Back then, i could only access the abstract, and I couldn't hope to read it. Now, with sci-hub, and all, i've read the paper and decided to go in more depth.
So, here's the abstract:
Highlights

Cave bears were virtually all herbivores.Giant short-faced bears were consuming meat but not necessarily purely carnivores.Scimitar tooth cats were not specialized mammoth predators.Most cave lions were focussing on reindeer, especially when competing with other large carnivores.Wolves outcompeted cave lions in Europe during Lateglacial.
Abstract
Isotopic tracking of carnivore palaeoecology is a relatively new approach that yielded important results for the study of the non-analogue mammoth steppe biome. After describing the prerequisite to apply this approa journal, I decided to add the emojis " "  into the name, as a joke initially, but then in the comments I went hardcore and used it as a new standard.
comments.deviantart.com/1/6454…
Later I got rid of the spaces that automatically pop up between the emojis.

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Rahonavis70m In reply to AnonymousLlama428 [2017-10-21 10:44:41 +0000 UTC]

And then life was never the same again

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AnonymousLlama428 In reply to Rahonavis70m [2017-10-21 16:07:07 +0000 UTC]

It became enhanced in some ways.

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zebG In reply to AnonymousLlama428 [2017-10-20 20:56:10 +0000 UTC]

Oh okay. I thought this was like a new meme ofr something.

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AnonymousLlama428 In reply to zebG [2017-10-21 16:06:31 +0000 UTC]

Oh,no, it's very me-specific.
This is in my notifs:
comments.deviantart.com/1/7107…

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