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"Shit, I forgot the message would be backwards!!"
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The problem being it'll be backwards in the mirror. Also Talia's super fuckin' dead.
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I can't stand Talia, Bruce and Selina are meant for eachother so that is a perfect message XD
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I agree with fellow commentators on here, Selina is sending a strait foward message to Talia. Stay away from what's her's and what will always be hers. After all Selina marked him. And Bruce knows he belongs to selina but won't admit it (not yet). I can see him watching this from a distance with a smile on his face. Although he might think Selina's method was a little dramatic (then again everything about her is rather dramatic, she likes to do things in style and to the point.) Yet she got the message across. I think what Bruce would be thinking especially sine his relationship with Talia has been falling out would be "Nice Selina, that's my girl, I'll need to make this up to her some how" This piece says this is exactly what Selina would do. Especially sice Talia is the daughter of the demon, therefore a seductress and might as well be a demon herself, a creature form hell. Talia in her own way is a succubus and I say she's a deamon, she's shown her true nature many times, yes sometmes she'll stop her father out of love for Bruce, but she only loves the Batman, so so does she really love him. Selina loves Bruce for who he is in and out of the suit. And that's why he's hers. This wonderful, you really channeled your inner cat for this one, classic kitty. Don't stop what you're doing.Β
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That is very true. Now I know how incredible Helena is, she turned out so much better than Damian did Canonically. Yet I wish Selena could have been Damian's actual birth mother than that witch, Talia. Selina cares more about Bruce than Talai ever did, She just saw him as a means to an end, like her father did. I feel if Selina was Damian's mother he'd turn out better. I once saw an episode of an old animated batman series where the bat and the cat fell in love, got married and Damian was their son, and shocker, he turned out way much better! In my world, I like to see Helena and Damian as brother and sister, born as twins to Bruce and Selina Wayne. That's it.Β
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Thank You.
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No one deserves to be killed by Joker. But I can agree having Talia involved, in anything, at all, is unnecessary. But please take my advice, let us not stoop to the Bat-'ghul fan's level, as true bat-cat fans let's show we are truly better by not giving into them, by not giving them what they want. Let our actions speak for us. After all, the new comics have come out and who is Bruce with? Certainly not Talia!
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I cannot speak for the writers, unfortunately.Β
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question: what does that make Damian? in case you need a refresher on his background, Damian Wayne is the latest Robin in the comics who's often depicted as being the blood son of Bruce and Talia (she put something in her beverage or something, okay?); if Talia's the daughter of a demon, doesn't that make Damian the grandchild? if so, I'm worried about the safety of his half-sister Helena/Huntress (daughter of Bruce and Selena in some versions of DC universe); granted, spending time with the Bat Clan instead of the League of Shadows/Assassins (seriously, what's the correct title?) has softened Bruce's son up a little, but still...
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He does love her more, I have proof so you know. In Heart of Hush Talia herself asks Bruce if Selina is worth it, and he says yes, as in Sellina is worth it.
He'd never say that about Talia or to her.
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Talia is not worth it!
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whoa: put on the breaks, pal; all I want to know was your opinion how Helena might interact with her half-sibling and besides, I think your forgetting two things; 1) this isn't the FIRST time that one of Bruce's partners happened to be the child to a family with criminal ties, or have you forgotten that Cassandra Cain-Wayne/Black Bat is the biological daughter of Lady Shiva? 2) there are have been multiple times where Damian actually turned down the chance to partake in League of Assassin business/mannerisms; the reason: "I'm Batman's son as well"
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hmm, you might have a point there...is what I WOULD have said if it weren't for Nyssa's appearance in Arkham Knight and for THIS little line in Arkham City from Talia herself: "after that night we spent in Metropolis, you could have just called"; I personally look upon these two seemingly unrelated things and see the possibility that Ra's OTHER daughter might have a toddler version of Bruce's son running around somewhere waiting to come home, most likely due to one too many rounds of alcohol or something
...and before you go crazy on me, let me make it clear that I do NOT support Bruce and Talia as a couple: the fact that Talia would often chose her father over her own son in nearly every one of her incarnations has convinced me that there aren't many chances of it working in the long term; however, ignoring the League of Assassins entirely isn't really an option either; after all, Lady Shiva, a well known associate of the Demon's Head, was one of the primary trainers of one Tim Drake before he took up the mantle of Robin;Β I fully understand your frustration, but like it or not, Damian IS a member of the Bat-Family and last I checked, Rocksteady never said that he COULDN'T/DIDN'T exist in the Arkham Universe...but maybe it's the fact that I have trouble seeing Huntress as Bruce's only biological child and that an image of Selina holding an infant Helena (which I saw AFTER I found out about Damian) has lead me to view her as a little sister
p.s. here's the image I spoke of:Β upload.wikimedia.org/wikipediaβ¦
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(muses) fair enough, though then again, a while back someone pointed out to me that in certain incarnations, Damian ends up being SELINA'S son, meaning that he and Helena end up being full-blooded siblings instead of the half-siblings they would be normally, so I suppose that, in the end, we can just agree to disagree...
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Mhm i like that more, tho i also heard that he changes alot after Selina accepts him as her son. And Sadly Arkham Triology is over 
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(muses) well, like I said, I found out about Damian BEFORE I found out about Helena, so my opinion might be a bit biased; HOWEVER, I recently went back and rechecked my work, so to speak and found out that while the Huntress is often depicted as first dawning her signature outfit in her mid- to late-teens, compared to Damian who first appeared in at the age of 10 to 12, she didn't IMMEDIATELY become the Huntress; much like Cassandra did before becoming the Black Bat, Helena choose to honor Barbara Gordon's time before being the tech wiz known as Oracle by dawning the cowl as Batgirl...at around the same age that Damian first appeared as Robin
my conclusion: while Helena DOES have the whole "younger sibling" thing going for her, in this instance, she is the OLDER sibling to one Damian Wayne by at least three years
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You have a point there, but then i don't understand why would Bruce be with both Talia and Selina.
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(smirks) that's the kicker: he ISN'T; in that alternate continuity I mentioned, Damian and Helena are BOTH the biological children of Bruce Wayne and...wait for it...Selina Kyle!! heck, even during the realities where the two are half-siblings, Bruce and Talia never got together officially and, to put it simply, Damian was born out of wedlock and seeing how said child wants as much distance between himself and the League of Assassins as possible...put simply, Damian's mother is whomever Bruce decides to marry...
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Man how i wish something like that woulda have happened in Arkham Series. >.< Also don't get me wrong but i just hate EVERYTHING about Talia. :/
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first part: ditto
second part: I can understand your frustration, but this isn't Santa Prisca: we shouldn't be piling on the hate and/or punishment for the adult onto their child (reference to Bane's back-story there)...ESPECIALLY when said child happens to be BATMAN'S son as well; heck, Bruce probably brought the child into his house DESPITE his blood ties to Ra's Al Ghul, especially since this isn't the FIRST time he put in a child with a troubled past under his care (Richard "Dick" Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Cassandra Cain, etc.)
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Thank you but I don't need a refresher, I'm aware of Damian. Technically according to the comics Damian is now the heir to the league of Assassins(It can also be the league of shadows they are both the same)since bruce rejected the offer. I can understand your concern about Damian and Helena, if you keep to the comics they would;d have a bit of a scrap and who knows maybe get accepting each to each other, and as you said Damian has changed. I've seen other things out there where Bruce and Selina have been married and Damian is their son and not a bit of Al'Ghul is in him. There is also things I've seen that they both have Damian and Helena, as twins and they get along and their quite happy. In my opinion I would want that for them all, Damian would be better off and have a better childhood and in my opinion Selina is a way better mother than Talia could ever be. To me I think Bruce should have never gotten involved with the Al'Ghul's at all. Just should have taken them down. As time as went on I believe that Talia has become more of a femme fatle than Selina. After all Talia is not above killing people. I could list multiple reasons, but I won't. Thanks for the question.Β
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all valid points; just one thing, though: Ra's approached Bruce, not the other way around: he saw Batman as a potential successor and I guess had his daughter spike the punch or whatever when he got tired of "Gotham's Prince" turning him down; just saying
by the way, I COMPLETELY agree with you on Damian having a better childhood with Selina as his mom: from what I understand, under Ra's "parentage," it was basically being trained as soon as he could walk (maybe even beforehand), but even children of Royalty need time to ACTUALLY be children, if that makes sense; he very likely STILL end up being "Robin," but he wouldn't be as "wound up" as he is right now
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I know of Ra's approaching bruce first but, there was a point when he only knew talia and they helped each other out of a mess Β before she turned on him. Still he should have stayed away or not fallen for talia's charms and taken them down. I agree Damian would still be Robin but yes, due to both Bruce and Selina bing his parents, he wouldn't be willing to kill and things like that, but Selina would still want him to have fun, Bruce would too just not on patrol.Β
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can't argue with you there; whenever I think of the relationship between Talia, Bruce, and Damian, two "proverbs" come to mind: 1) true love means being able to let go, and 2) you can't control a child without destroying what makes them one (hope that these made sense to you)
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They kind of do, but please elaborate. I don't understand how these relate towards, bruce, talia and damian. I can see how it would relate towards bruce, selina and damian. Because Bruce and Selina truly lov each other, and Selina has encourgaed bruce to let go of his Agner and bitterness and be happy, to live, and he does the same for her. And with Damian if he where their son, they would want him to at least have a childhood, because they both never did. Both of them where thrust into the adult world without a guide, Alfred could only do so much. This is how Β I view your "proverbs" am I close?
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you hit the bulls-eye and yet missed entirely: while Selina is able to succeed, I REALLY don't see Talia doing similar; in other words, these proverbs relate to Talia, Bruce, and Damian in the sense that Talia, while she POSSIBELY harbors genuine feelings for both sides of Bruce Wayne/Batman, she's too devoted to her father to give anyone else the freedom and love they deserve; while I'll admit there are SOME exceptions to this "rule," it usually comes when Ra's goes too far in his personal crusade to "restore global order" or whatever that centuries-old eco-terrorist is pursuing at the moment; in any case, when Damian was born with "Demon" blood in his veins, it's possible that only Bruce Wayne's influence is what saved him from ending up like his mother, who I can only think of as a puppet
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You are right, but Talia still tried, wouldn't you agree. I know for a fact that Selina would never do such a thing towards her children. If i wasn't an already devoted bat-cat fan already, i'd look at the facts and chose bat-cat again. What talia thinks she has and wishes she had with Bruce, with which he has with Selina, is very unhealthy. She like the high school girl in love with jock, but when he pushes her away she doesn't take no for an answer and instead stalks and obsess over him, delusional, and creepy might i add.Β
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yes, Talia DID try, and don't get me wrong: if she could finally say "no" to her father I'd be happy to include her as part of the Bruce Wayne's family...maybe not as a maternal figure, but as that kick-ass Aunt that a few of us were lucky enough to have had growing up (raises hand to show that I was among that number), or something to that degree; I mean, it wouldn't be the FIRST time that a member of the League of Assassins managed to get in on good terms with the Bat Clan (Shiva personally trained Tim Drake and is the biological mother of Cassandra Cain; needless to say, she has a bit of a soft spot for the two)
that said, however, I can't disagree that given the circumstances, Selina is the better choice: given the opportunity, she almost ALWAYS chooses to help Batman, while Talia...well, put simply, and to paraphrase the old saying, spurn me once, shame on you; spurn me twice, shame on me; spurn me three times...actually, WAS there anything there to begin with? (and I'm asking that in every sense of the word)
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No just two. Fool me once sham on you. Fool me twice shame on me. And everyone does have there skills and good traits, that is true. but to me at least, when ever Talia comes around, nothing good happens, ever. She may be a favorite to some but not me, mine has always has and always will be the pretty kitty.
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(nods) fair enough, and thanks for the clarification Β
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Thank you and your welcome.
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you're welcome Β
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You have a point there, and knowing Bruce he would never want his own child to become a puppet. Sadly, Talia tries in vain to do just that, showing how much of a monster and her father's daughter she really is. I have seen multiple times where Talia has betrayed Bruce or even went to the extreme of toying with his eotions with disastrous results. For example look at how Damian was conceived. She had to trick him, and drug him in order for her to succeed and the deception kept going. Far as I know Selina would and has never do anything to Bruce in a manner such as this. Yes they have had their disagreements, lover's spats and have hurt each other but not to the point where nothing cod be fixed or considered unforgivable, they wind up togther again, in love falling into each others arms with a passion that can never be taken away. Yes Selina likes to toy with her bat, but it's always been through flirtatious means and even friendly, because she understands him and like her, has been hurt by the world. See this is why I can't wrap my head around why people like Bruce and Talia together, she just can't understand him, she's never felt what he has felt, never seen what it's like. Selina has. This is why Selina would never do anything to hurt him, and he vice versa. At times like this i like to think of a passage in a book I read about concerning the romance of the bat and the cat, that Bob Kane and Bill Finger created Selina to be like Bruce, just on the other side, to be his love interest, his love story and they knew what they were doing. I agree. Selina was practically around since the beginning, and although Bruce was already engaged to another woman, he remarked about how beautiful she was and was clearly smitten by the kitten, you could say he fell in love with her since the day they met and she fell in love with him. The only problem was their paths in life, his commitment to the mission and a whole lot of other things included. But that didn't stop them from trying a few times, did it? The only reason why they aren't fully together is because DC tried that years ago and it wasn't raking in profits so they killed it off and now have the contentious love-hate relationship for the sake of revenue.Which erks me to no end. Also consider the fact that the only reason why Talia was created in the first place was because some new writer had come along and wanted to his own thing and try to do like DC had done years ago with Selina, of course it didn't work out that way and DC decided to keep it anyway for the same reason, drama and revenue. I sewar all the writters are either Talia-Bruce shippers or don't understand the characters like us fans do. They drifted away, look at the changes they have made, mostly to Selina and Bruce's relationship. Thank god the fans boycotted the comics and sales plummeted and forced DC to once again, reboot the series and star over, let's hope they change things back to the way they were and don't screw it up again. I say when it comes to Bat-Cat, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Bob Kane and Bill Finger are in their grvaes spinning like lathes. They knew what they were doing, so stop messing it up DC! Sorry for the long Narrative but I bet you can agree with me, no?
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(muses) yeah, I can see what you mean... Β Β ...although I hope you're planning on getting off your soap box at some point...Β Β
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I am now, and we all know shippers, defend the ship to the end.
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