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Published: 2012-08-18 00:18:27 +0000 UTC; Views: 2177; Favourites: 26; Downloads: 18
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And you all know I delight in being the douchebag who points out the tiny detail that ruins the whole plot. X3Related content
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you know there was a reason why Simba was cast out of the pride. male lions will either kill lion cubs or if they are too old they will kick them out of the pride. for th simple fact that young lions will try and mate with their own family members. so not only is Simba mating with his half sister but his cousins, his aunts and even his own mother. hooray for incest!it doesn't seem to shy away from the whole incest in royal families after all.
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Well, inbreeding is very popular in the animal kingdom.
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And you are that someone.
But that's alright, I didn't care too much for the Lion King. Felt it was too comparable to Hamlet.
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They are cousins..Mufasa loved Sarabi and so did Scar.. Sarafina loved Scar though, so Scar became a douche and played Sarafina and she found out he was a jerk..TaDAAAAAA
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Could be. Would still make them at a bare minimum First Cousins. Which is still...ew. XD
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In a lion pride, only one male gets to have children. And in the Lion King, that would be Mufasa. Now, before you say 'But they have different mothers!' Yeah. Different MOTHERS. But only ONE lion gets to be Daddy. Besides which, their mothers are named Sarabi and Sarafina, two names that I think are WAY too similar to be coincidental.
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Its Disney... There not related at all.
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Are you sure? Disney movies are not as sweet and innocent as they seem on the surface.
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Alright, very logical. I wanna break this to my sister, she ADORES this movie XD
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Then remind her that Kovu is Kiara's adopted cousin-uncle who should logically have been twice her age when they first met. XD
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I told her, and she just got really, really mad XD
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XD It only hurts because it's tha truth!
And don't get me wrong, I love the movies.
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Oh, yeah, same here! I love Lion King... but I'm not going to lie, this does change my perspective on it XD
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Mufasa is a horrible father then, because he`s obviously favoring Simba over Nala. He says to the hyenas: "If you ever come near my son again", not mentioning Nala as his daghter. And he says to Zazu: "Take Nala home. I`ve got to teach my son a lesson", again not mentioning Nala as being his offspring too.
This is a Disney movie, the lions are highly humanized. And it`s obvious that the movie is portraying Sarabi and Mufasa as one couple and Simba being their only child.
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Well, Simba IS the male child, and possibly the first, and thus would be the one to carry on Mufasa's genes the most. Logically, I think Sarabi is the 'head lioness', meaning the favored mate. But the leader of a lion pride sires all the cubs, even if he only spends a good deal of time with one lioness and cub.
But yes, they are highly humanized, being a Disney movie and all, I just enjoy thrusting logic where it doesn't belong. XD As someone else said "You're injecting LOGIC into a movie about talking animals that can dance?" "YES." X3
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You're trying to apply realism to a movie about talking animals...
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wait wait wait...... wait..... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!?!?!?!?!?
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In a lion pride, only 1 male gets to breed. And Mufasa was top lion, making Simba and Nala half-siblings. Tho, they might also be 1st cousins if Scar is really her father, or if Sarabi and Sarafina are sisters. POint is, no matter which way you slice it, Simba and Nala are related. CLOSELY related. XD
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Come on it is a move. And only the Disney people truly know.(I think)
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I know its just a movie, and its one of my favorites, for sure. Still, its fun poking holes in plotlines. XD
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Thankfully, insect doesn't really matter so much when it comes to animals haha
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true enough. But people act like its all sweet, when if the lions were people it'd be horrifying. XD
Still some o my favorite Disney movies tho. X3
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Haha very true. I still can't get over the fact that Turk is a girl :L I thought she was a boy every time I watched Tarzan until I realized who the voice actress was... -_-
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I think the character is a boy. But they use female voice actresses to voice male teenagers and children in the animation business, often because actual young men's voices are changing, and thus unreliable in consistency.
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Well, the other reason is because they refer to Turk as female when they call her "she" I believe in one part of the movie. And they refer to Turk as a she in Kingdom Hearts 1... soo... haha I dunno.
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Really? Hah! Learn something new everyday. XD
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Well, other than the fact that the directors say that they are not brother and sister XDD It is possible for two or more brothers to rule over the same pride of lioness. It has happened in the wild as brothers that are chased out of their original pride, tend to band together in a bachelor pride type situation. So it is entirely possible that Scar is Nala's father, rather than Mufasa, hence the green eyes and so on. Regardless, this would still make them cousins though.
Haza! Incest in TLK is unavoidable XD (unless you go with the reasonable conclusion that Disney is a family company, and often warp the realms of normal animal function to make a more child friendly movie, in which case Nala's father is probably just some rogue XD )
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The directors never said WHO Nala's father is. They said 'unknown male', and that could be anyone. I think it's prolly Mufasa because even in bachelor situations, the head lion is still the one who gets to spread his genes. What's worse is their mothers. Simba's Mom: Sarabi. Nala's Mom: Sarafina. Those names are WAY too similar to be a coincidence. So the four possibilities are: Sibling/Cousin combo, Half-Siblings, Double First Cousins, or completely unrelated (which seems unlikely, given that there are only 3 male lions in the entire first movie. XD
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hahaha, I think you are looking a bit too into this, which is fine. Everyone does XD but seriously, they talk about Nala's father in the directors commentary on the TLK special edition blue ray. They talk about this very situation. How it would be Mufasa or Scar, but they decided that neither of those worked so they used the term "unknown male"
"UNKNOWN"-not know. Mufasa is Known to the movie, so is Scar. An unknown male means its a character who hasn't been seen
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Unknown just means they don't know or never decided who it was. And the directors said themselves that they saw the can of worms they were getting into and decided to just not go there. They didn't answer the question, they ignored it. XD But, we're all entitled to our own opinions.
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undecided means never decided, unknown means a character was never made.
"Contrary to belief, the directors of The Lion King did contemplate who Nala's father might've been. Albeit jokingly, he was at least thought about as a character, but had no place in the movie. In the end, the two directors just hoped no one would notice his absence, effectively scrapping him." - [link]
They scrapped him 
I think, as it is a DISNEY movie and Disney frowns upon things such as incest, that we can assume it isn't Mufasa or Scar
You CAN'T just ignore the fact that Disney wouldn't let it be incestuous, and there are plenty of accounts on the internet from the producers and directors saying that Nala isn't Mufasa or Scar's kid, just because it's your opinion. Your fandom theory, fine. Everyone has those, haha. But there are actual records, quotes, and facts stating that Scar or Mufasa are not Nala's father.
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Strange, the same article says that when directly questioned about it, one director offhandedly mumbled that their general assumption was that it was either Mufasa or Scar.
And of course, this is all rather a moot point considering that the directors will never directly, concretely say who the dad is/was/was going to be. And sources are a tricky thing, I've come across just as many pages and sources saying that the directors stated it could be Mufasa or Scar, and that they simply didn't acknowledge Nala as their daughter, and that the ones saying they aren't related are the ones spouting fan theories. *shrug*
Still, very nice and engaging discussion, and I appreciate you expressing your difference in opinion without resorting to outright hostility. And even if it turns out I'm wrong in regards to Simba and Nala, Kovu still somehow defied the spacetime continuum. XD
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Kovu does indeed defy the space time continuum I would agree XD "hand chosen by scar..." yeah...he should be a teen
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at last! common ground! XD
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Pfft, so what, don't ruin the moment. XD
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Sarafina was Nalas mother and was friend to Sarabi. heres the downlow on Sarafina [link]
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That may be, but who was Nala's FATHER? Here's a hint: In a lion pride, ONLY the top male gets to sire offspring. XD And if you ask me, 'Sarabi' and 'Sarafina' are two names that are WAAAY too similar to be coincidence. X3
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Unfortunately, I already knew this. If you knew anything about actual lions, you'd know that all the cubs in a pride are fathered by the same male lion. Being that Mufasa and Scar were brothers, so that would make all of the cubs either brothers and sisters.. .or cousin... soo..... either way... they're incest family. o.o Though, that's why the alpha males kick out the younger males when they mature because they don't want inbreeding. Disney is seriously messed up. O.o
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A biologist would watch the Lion King and wonder how the hell they managed to get it past a P.R. review. XD
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I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. I'm a bit of an animal factoid nut and I grew up watching the Lion King...but never before have I ever thought of it in logical terms. Well played.
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*nods* inbreeding is a rather big problem in social big cats. In fact, inbreeding in Cheetahs is so rampant that ANY cheetah can receive a blood transfusion or skin graft from ANY OTHER cheetah. They're so inbred, that they are a guaranteed match for blood type.
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I remember hearing something about that, though Cheetahs are a bit on the low end of the 'social' scale of big cats.
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