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Published: 2009-10-06 23:05:28 +0000 UTC; Views: 4012; Favourites: 86; Downloads: 0
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Several years ago, I wanted to make a logo that was more inclusive of all religions and philosophies, so I made one.C
The star and crescent symbolizes IslamO
The pentagram encircled symbolizes Wicca, and dates back to the Pythagoreans and beforeE
The e=mc2 symbolizes science, and a worldview of thoughtful, careful discoveryX
The Star of David symbolizes JudaismI
The Dharmacakra symbolizes BuddhismS
The Yin and yang symbolizes TaoismT
The cross symbolizes ChristianityOh, and if anyone would like to see a darker, more pessimistic version of this too, just check out this one: Symbols of War
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"Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture [Christians and Jews] and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures." Quran 98:6
I don't think that works well
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Interesting. But we'll knew what will said by the majority of the followers of each direction:
Living together with them(!)? Are you fucking kidding me?
No, never.
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The Hindus and Sikhs now hate you for leaving them out of you Care Bears-style polemic. Β
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Why Coexist?
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It's a message that the religions and secular peoples of the world can't remain separate, closed off and ignorant. We all need to be accepting of each other's world views. For example, Catholics need to accept that other religions don't accept God.
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Well if they remained separate there wouldn't be any conflict between any of these groups.
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It's because they're separate that there is conflict. Think of it this way: would you think it would be fair if someone you had heard about but never actually spoken to said untrue things about you because of what they observe about you? Or if there's something you interact with regularly, like a specific machine at a gym or something, andΒ internally classify it as yoursΒ and then someoneΒ you don'tΒ know starts interacting with this thing, and you feel offended? My point is that we all need to accept each other, or we'll end upΒ tearing ourselves apart. That's what the coexist image represents; Acceptance.
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Well no, people tend to hate other people they understand very well, they look at their minor differences and fight over them.
Your example of people getting a long like that doesn't make any sense. You're using a person and a machine as an example and it just doesn't work.
Now if we never ever mixed Muslims with Christians, they would never want to fight each other, they'd have no reason too. However mix them together and their differences start to show too each other. Over time they learn to hate each other because one side does something differently than the other.
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Could you provide an example of this?
Well, it didn't make a lot of sense when the Crusaders started fighting over a land they had no claim to apart from a maybe about Jesus, or the Conquistadors claiming the Aztec land for something that wasn't theirs, or the entire reign of the British empire. None of that made a lot of sense to me. I'm getting the distinct impression you're missing my point.
If we separated all the cultures of the world we would have very few technological enhancements today. Things like phones, computers, even buildings would be set back many decades or not exist at all. Thinking that you can simply put every culture into a boxΒ and saying that they're better off like thatΒ is dangerous. You'd be surprised how many people thought that down the ages.
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Northern Ireland during the 20th century is a great example. Where both protestant and catholic populations hated each other despit having the same culture and heritage.
Also that's wrong. The crusaders had more of a claim over the holy land seeing how muslims were the ones who invaded Christian lands and, forced the population to convert and denied access to pilgriming Christians to the holy land. If you knew anything about the crusades you would have known it was a repounse to muslim aggression not only in the middle east but also in the Muslim conquests of Spain. It's the fact that the Muslims so wronged the Christians in the past that relations are forever ruined between the two religions.
Also that is the dumbest and most uneducated thing I have ever read. You know cultures and groups of people can stay and remain in contact with each other while trading ideas and technology with having to completely mix together right? It seems you know nothing about history, culture or people in general.
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Four words to the first two statements: Stuck Up Religious Bigots. To elaborate, since you obviously still are unable to see my point in this conversation even when I have spelled it out in front of you, The Catholic Church's ego grew to the point where it decided it was above common law and could do whatever it damn well pleased, including extorting money from the people for the supposed forgiveness of sins. Those that did not agree to this started a Reformation, resulting in mass conversion to Protestantism. It was less hate and more justified reaction to an unfair ruling body. As to the Crusaders, they were also blinded by the Church, who convinced good men to kill themselves fighting for a country that was not theirs even if pilgrims regularly journeyed there, because if they fought against the supposed heathens they would go to heaven. I'm not saying the Saracens were saints, I acknowledge what they were doing was wrong, but is a country American simply because the majority of the tourists who visit it are?
Don't make assumptions. I could say that your views are dumb and uneducated, but I won't, because I like to think I respect people's opinions. I know enough about history and culture to know that many people of many nationalities worked together on many different technological advances and major world events, and for this they had to work together, which requires tolerance of one's fellow man and woman. I could quote endless examples, but the most pivotal one would have to be the second world war. Hitler believed that only the so called Aryan master race deserved to have a place in the world. Β He was close-minded, arrogant and stuck up. On the other side, we have the Allied forces. Britain, Australia, West India, Ireland, French, New Zealand, America. All these countries had to put aside their differences to work together, and now America and Australia in particular are now two of the most multicultural countries the world over. Human's are social by nature, and with that nature comes inevitable similarities and differences. It is similarly inevitable that different cultures will mix due to trade, as no one can simply have all of one's needs and wants in one place.
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I like how you think just because the church was large, powerful and had influence on lives of people back in the middle ages it was corrupt and evil. I'd say during the 1600s is when the catholic church started its down fall due to the 30 years war. You're completely wrong about the crusades and it's like I said. People went to Jerusalem to fight and die on their own most of the time without the church's consent. www.youtube.com/user/RealCrusa⦠Does a really good job explaining what happened during the era, with good reliable sources as well. I just want to get the crusades argument out of the way to address your other point.
None of my assumptions are baseless though. I don't think you realse the mixing and blending of cultures only creates tensions between people because of our differences. That's a bit ironic of you too say that Hitler was so stuck up and arrogant to other races when he openly let Hindus, blacks, arabs, East asians and etc to join the Waffen SS, the elite troops of The Third Reich. Not only that but during the 1936 Olympics a black American athlete had won a gold medal however president Roosevelt refused to shake his hand while Hitler did. The largest misconception about Adolf Hitler is that he hated other races, This wasn't true because he just put his race before others. Which brings up my last point and it's that you can respect other people's culture and history however you do not need to live side by side with them.
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Look, we can quote history back and forth at each other all year, but I'll skip to my underlying point in all of this:
While it is possible for cultures not to mix, humans by nature are social creatures. We feel a distinct need for companionship, and the groups that gather inevitably develop differently, resulting in differing belief systems, different versions of history, different lifestyles etc. And then you have individuals within these groups who explore and encounter new groups. This results in shared ideas, beliefs etc. SO what I'm saying is that while mixing cultures might be difficult, not only is it human nature but it's also healthy.
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this issue.
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Yeah I agree to disagree, good day.
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For coexistence to work, at least one "Good Book" would have to be rewritten to delete the "kill anyone who will not convert" passages.
It's a nice idea, though.
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We have something similar to this at school, although I don't think the Buddhism symbol is there. I like that you included it.
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E=mc2 came from a deeply religious man, who constructed his equations around the belief that the universe was structured in an ideal manner, on behalf of God (i.e. "God doesn't throw dice").
Atheists generally use a stylized atom as their symbol, (though a stylized unicorn or a stylized A has also seen use, along with the USSR's hammer and sickle [β] ). I imagine that the atom has not seen widespread use on DA due to the fact that it also symbolizes the atomic bomb.
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I didn't want to simply use a symbol simply for atheism, as I wanted the design to have broader implications than simply rote religious symbolism (although I do include symbols denoting specific religious worldviews as well).
Being a secular humanist myself (among other things), I wanted to utilize a symbol that represented a deeper philosophy that mathematics and physical sciences represent to many people, a worldview informed from the ground up, so to speak.
The fact is, many of these worldviews have been influenced by one another, sometimes even to the point where it's difficult to pinpoint the exact date or individual where one became the other. Just as Einstein was influenced by a multitude of philosophies, his equations (and a great many other contributions), helped inform a worldview built on scientific discovery that continues to this day.
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The Pentacle itself is originally a symbol taken from Ceremonial Magick,where it was used to summon and call up entities. Then Wicca borrowed the symbol,and from there,Satanism.
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Except the Satanist have it turned upside down.I am glad however that I now know the origin of it.
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Well,in Latin,its Penta Inversi(Penta meaning five,Inversi meaning Inverted,pretty much five pointed star inverted lol).
The origins of the five pointed star symbol itself date thousands of years. It's only in recent history been associated with Satanism due to people having anger and outrage towards the Christian Church.
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I'm Ok With Religion As Long As It Dose Not Change Secular Views Into Theocratic Views. I Also Talk Of Any Other Dogmatic Views That Are Secular In Nature As Well To At Least Stay Away From Authoritarian Views As Well. I Don't What Another Francisco Franco Regime. NEVER AGAIN!
However I Find This Graphic Informative. Thanks For Sharing.
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I love this~ I'd rather have this on my truck than the mass produced one with the peace sign. I love that you incorporated the Wicca sign instead, so you're actually representing more sides of religion. I'm a Christian but I firmly believe that all religions should be respected and revered. I think it would help everyone if we looked at other people's faiths and learn from them so that we can become better people and become stronger in our own faith. I thank you for this piece. <3
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I'm sorry you think this way.
I don't care what you say you are. Your views seem pretty despicable, though.
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At last! One that includes Wicca and Atheism!
But just a polite f.y.i. from a Wiccan, our symbol is the pentacle. It's only a pentagram if it's not inside a circle.
Again, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I would absolutely LOVE to get this on a T-Shirt.
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Islam, Paganism (I think, cuz of the Pentagram), Science, Judaism, Bhuddism, Taoism, and Christianity
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Dead-on for all but the pentagram, but you were still closer than most.
Paganism isn't actually a religion, it's simply a designation of any religion that isn't Christian, Islamic, or Jewish.
Furthermore, the pentagram isn't a symbol of all pagan religions.
Instead, it's been used more recently as a symbol of the Wiccan faith, a religion which does fall under the pagan designation.
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Oh, I see, what does the pentagram represent?
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The pentagram actually represents Satanism. The one in this image isn't quite a pentagram, because a true Satanist pentagram is point down. I'm not a member of this way of thinking, I just like to be up on my facts.
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the pentagram was taken from wicca, then stretched at on point to fit the horned god of satanism's head in it. the pentagram is and always will be a WICCAN symbol.
blessed be, child
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what a shame then that you got the basic facts wrong!
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Well, I'm definitely not an expert on the symbolical origins of the pentagram, so if you're really curious about it, I'd suggest consulting wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram
What little I do know, however, is that the use of the pentagram as a symbol of importance dates at least as far back as the Pythagoreans, who viewed it as a representation of the 4 elements (earth, wind, fire, water), along with a 5th divine element at the top (ie the spirit, the soul).
Later on throughout the middle ages, the pentagram was used by Christians throughout Europe as a symbol of Christ's wounds (2 points representing his hands, 2 points representing his feet, and the top point symbolizing his crown of thorns).
More recently, as I mentioned briefly above, the pentagram has been used by some as a symbol for the Wiccan religion. Admittedly, not all Wiccans use the symbol, just as not all Muslims use the star and crescent to represent their faith, but when the pentagram is used as a symbol of the Wiccan faith, it generally represents 5 elements of nature (similar to the aforementioned Pythagoreans), which is fitting given that the Wiccan faith is often described as more of a nature-based religion.
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you are spot on. thank you for knowing your facts.
blessed be, friend
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Thank you very much!
I'm more an agnostic and a humanist myself (among other things), so I try to do as much research as possible before type up any kind of response.
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np ^^ as you could tell i am wiccan and i get pretty angry when people dont know what they are talking about. so thank you again
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I understand completely.
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