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Description Okay, so when I said I was done with discourse, I sort of meant general discourse. Given that you've clicked on this you've probably already prepared comments telling me I'm the worst human being alive for having my hated category consist of mostly fan favourites and/or major characters. And I am aware this will probably rustle the jimmies of even my most diehard friends and fans but here we are anyway because I am argumentative and desperate for attention, har har har.

So I set 2 limits for this:

1. I do the meme with the character sorter, so that all of it is plain to see in hard data. Here is the sorter: dangansort-plus.tumblr.com/
2. I only do the main games, ignoring DR:AE and all the other spinoff novels, animes, mobile games, tea towels, microwave ovens, etc.



Five. Shuichi Saihara
I'll be honest, I did not expect him to make it to 5. I like him lots, and I think both he and Kaede do have more personality and character than the fandom gives them credit for, though I'm not here to talk about how everyone in the fandom sucks at narrative design, myself included. I'm mostly just surprised because I thought he'd be further down the list given how much more I talk about other characters. And for all his shortcomings and having to be the party crasher to Kaede's "protagonist with tits" shebang, he's probably the most interesting and well-characterised protagonist of the lot, what all of them have been leading up to. He's also pretty relateable for the audience and shows Kodaka does have a strong grasp of the personality most attracted to Danganronpa in both hemispheres.
And also my kin is so fucking in love with him holy FUCK

Four. Gonta Gokuhara
"The perfect man doesn't exi-"
Man, what can even be said about Gonta Gokuhara? If he's not on your favourites list or at least a really strong contender for it, your opinions are just plain wrong. If not for him as a character, then for him as a person. There's not a bad bone in his body, he's just a really sweet guy who's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Also his trial made me bawl my fucking eyes out. I know this isn't as long as the Shuichi section, but I don't have much to say. I love Gonta Gokuhara and I think the only reason he was beat out thrice was due to me liking girls a lot.

Three. Mikan Tsumiki
I think Mikan made it up this high because I relate strongly to her, or I did in high school and TAFE. Too shy to approach people but still wanting attention, constantly apologising for my existence, still working out my sexuality and who I was attracted to, and like, just her in general. I don't relate to her as much nowadays since I've improved myself, but I still do find myself emulating her personality traits from time to time.
I also like Mikan because she's a fresh twist on several shitty anime genres, the big two being fanservice and yanderes. Her fanservice-y scenes are played somewhat straight, but I feel like there's two big differences that make it palateable: 1, they're also used as evidence (and BEING the fanservice is not all there is to Mikan), and more importantly 2. It's acknowledged she does it to get attention because she's so fucked up from all the bullying she got as a kid that degrading herself is the only way she knows of getting attention, and she'd rather degrade herself than have none at all. The yandere element also works better since it's a more unique take on the archetype: rather than just being "love at first sight! i'll murder your entire family if you look at another girl!", a. she needs a proper emotional connection before she even gets anywhere near that stage, and b. it's not because "i love you so much and i just want you to have eyes for me!!!", it's "i'm extremely desperate for attention and i'll keep you hovering on the brink of death if it means I get attention". Her job and her desires conflict with each other to a degree, which makes her more complex than a good or bad person, and I absolutely adore grey morality that actually IS grey morality and not "i'm a space neonazi, should I kill my mom alongside the 30 rebel ships I just destroyed or let her live?", not naming any kylo ren- i mean names.

Two. Ibuki Mioda
Anybody who's known me for longer than 3 years know I've been gay as SHIT for Ibuki for about half a decade now. She's probably the best example of a well balanced character that simultaneously doesn't have many obvious flaws, but isn't boring either. While I think Tenko incorporates comic relief AND narrative purpose better than Ibuki does, Ibuki does about everything else better than Tenko (I'm comparing them because same point of death, same role, same VA, same sexuality, they're pretty similar). Ibuki's more absurd life experiences and ridiculousness beat out Tenko's misandry, and Ibuki had insightful things to say during both trials - HELL, she and Mikan had PIVOTAL evidence in the first trial that saved everybody's ass! - while Tenko tended to just be EXCLUSIVELY comic relief and rely on being totally obsessed with Himiko, which as I've said before, goes past adorable crushes and into "this is legitimately creepy" territory. I'm getting a bit off track. Ibuki's pervertedness tends to stay in the realm of acceptability - one or two crude comments is about her "worst". She feels like one person, but one person who's both ridiculous and grounded at the same time, which is an INCREDIBLY difficult characterization to pull off.

On- Kirumi Tojo.
Though some of you may have seen this coming given how much I gush about her, I agonized a bit on whether to give top dog to Kirumi or to Ibuki. I argued with myself for which character's fashion sense I liked better, but that went nowhere. So I decided, fuck it. Best utilization of onscreen time, and for reasons that are kind of better done repeats of Ibuki's reasons, Kirumi is my favourite DR character.
I think it's the whole "I'm hypercompetent and considered perfect at nearly everything I attempt, but I somehow manage to avoid the Mary Sue label" thing Kirumi has going for her, as well as being absolutely gorgeous and just about everything I want in a character. Kirumi, in most inexperienced writer's hands, would inevitably be a Mary Sue, and yet Kodaka's writing manages to sell her as a believeable character who can fall from grace just as hard as any of the characters only good at one thing - and fall, she does, both literally and figuratively. She never comes across, to me, like 2 things I feared she might: either too robotic and perfect, or too much like Peko Pekoyama. The flaw "She's too selfless" is often a death sentence for a lot of character's likeabilities, but Kirumi sells it, and though she's probably one of the least talked about v3 characters, most fandomgoers agree with me. So for all those reasons and more, Kirumi is my favourite Danganronpa v3 character.


And now, onto the far, far, FAR other end of the spectrum.


Five. Kiyotaka Ishimaru
I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this entire category since the characters down here are generally universally loved by the fandom, most of them are major characters, and the fifth entry on the list is the DR1 fan favourite. If you want to know why I used his standard sprite - it is, quite literally, the only transparent image I have of him on my computer.
What saves Ishimaru from being lower on the list is being a good person and having a excellent intended message about effort vs talent, but aside from that I find his character insufferable to sit through. I've never really liked authoritarian characters much and he certainly has the feeling of having an enormous stick up his arse. Not only that, but I just find his characterization boring. He's "The guy who follows the rules but has no social skills!", and I'm not sure how I feel about the joke in the first chapter where despite staying in her presence for the past 3 days, he didn't know SAKURA, someone with a feminine name used almost entirely for Japanese women, was a woman, purely because she was built like a brick shithouse. I love Sakura, by the way, she definitely made it into the upper 20. I don't like Ishimaru. 5th worst.

Four. Kokichi Ouma
Okay, I'm cheating a bit with this one. Kokichi wound up LOWER on my list than this, but I did a bit of personal intervention because he is not as bad as the actual 2nd worst. Kokichi I think is the reverse of Kiyotaka - I understand why he exists, but he feels like less of a human being and more like a deliberate personification of the opposing force to Shuichi and Kaede's truth. Thing is, we already HAD a character that embodied lying, to the point where she lied about her name. Shirogane, while I thought she was also pretty bland and in the lower tier, at least brought a newer twist on older DR archetypes, feeling like a cross between Sonia and Hifumi with the hanging question of, "What if someone with these personality traits used them all to a diabolical advantage?" Kokichi, I feel, didn't add anything except "What if Celeste was a major character with a penis?" (assuming Kokichi has a penis, of course. And no. I'm not saying it).
I feel like when Kokichi gets to be a human being, he wouldn't actually belong in my most hated category and would probably get replaced with Hifumi or something. But when he gets forced to be JUST a foil to Shuichi's truth, he falls flat on his face and is worse than his predescessor. And yes, I will continue to refer to Celeste as such, and never decide on a fucking localised name for her.

[Okay, from about here on out are characters I legitimately hate rather than just find annoying.]

Three. Izuru Kamukura
Sometimes, things written by the author are worse. Izuru Kamukura is one of those times. Ironic. He could save others from boredom, but not himself. Har har, I'm introducing this with memes and he said memes in the TV show. It's funny. Laugh.
He is the warning of what Kirumi could have been - too perfect with not enough characterization or flaws to save him. The plot-given reasons to explain it do not excuse that. He is quite literally a Gary Stu and an unfortunate blatant power fantasy. Ironically, I like my boyfriend's writing for him more - at least he HAS some personality when my boyfriend writes him. As for sprites, well... I had to go look for one online. I had NONE on my hard drive.

Two. Nagito Komaeda
I feel like Nagito breaks the two themes of the Worst Character Category - too boring, or too fake-feeling. Nagito isn't either of these things. I think he's down here for just how oversaturated he is, vs. his actual worth as a character.
Brain worms or not, half the decisions he makes are nonsensical and probably more detrimental to his goals than a more straightforward approach. He drops off from Mikan's "morally grey" territory and enters the "pretty firmly Bad" territory, yet he's constantly characterized as being some intense morally grey antihero and gets put in nearly every game bar THH (because he hadn't been invented yet) as that role, even in v3 to an extent. I'm just sick of him, I suppose.

One. Sonia Nevermind
Everyone probably knows I really don't like Sonia. I'm not surprised she's my least liked character on the list. But while every other character down here has some pretty heavy flaws I don't like, they all at least had SOME purpose within the narrative. Aside from reassigning Sonia's speech to other characters, you could remove her and SDR2 would not change. The themes wouldn't change, the narrative wouldn't change considerably, the MURDER CASES wouldn't change. Sonia is a character with absolutely no right to exist and is a textbook example of forced diversity. I know it's weird to see that term used against a white character, but she is a character that exists only to represent a certain demographic (white foreigners in Japan) with no narrative relevance whatsoever. Not only that, but her personality, like Kiyotaka, is absolutely fucking grating in the same way Tsumugi's was - the latter, however, could be forgiven since there was a legitimate purpose behind her blending into the background, and that was actually really clever.
If Sonia died in Chapter 3 in Saionji's place, I think that would've been BETTER for the narrative, and I've discussed such with a friend of mine. Gundam and Kazuichi would've never had their falling out, we would've been able to see Fuyuhiko and Hiyoko potentially bond or at least tolerate each others' presences over the Chapter 2 murder, and at least Hiyoko has a character to her and had an arc. Sonia was a totally useless character and the only one where I think removing her entirely would be the best solution to her problem. Sonia Nevermind is my least favourite Danganronpa character.



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Comments: 36

Goth4ur4bl4z3 [2023-05-27 22:22:54 +0000 UTC]

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Cokedark11 [2020-12-30 06:33:58 +0000 UTC]

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requiemblanchett [2020-04-19 02:26:31 +0000 UTC]

i love gonta!!!!!!! best boy

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TigeressBird324 [2019-06-27 04:45:02 +0000 UTC]

I respect your opinion on Ishimaru, Kokichi, and Sonia (Nagito, however, is a sociopath)

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gdpr-35490802 [2019-03-15 13:02:08 +0000 UTC]

Gonta is best boy *-*

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axris In reply to gdpr-35490802 [2019-03-15 21:14:08 +0000 UTC]

truuuu

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NightmareShinigami89 [2019-03-04 14:46:43 +0000 UTC]

Kokichi is one of my favorites, but I respect your opinion... besides you placed two chars I hate even lower

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Flauschi-Fipsi [2019-02-22 21:05:26 +0000 UTC]

Definitely agree with Kirumi, she is criminally underrated.

What makes me love Kokichi is how human his flaws make him. While not the most relatable character, he has believable flaws, like his trust issues, paranoia, arrogance etc. He doesn't rely on bullshit like Nagito on his insane luck (I like Nagito, but not a fan of his talent), he relies on his intelligence and analyzing skills. But his many flaws fuck him over a lot, like in Chapter 4. He doesn't succeed all the time. All that makes him a compelling, surprisingly realistic character. Hes so much fun to analyze, which makes me adore him.

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axris In reply to Flauschi-Fipsi [2019-02-22 21:56:39 +0000 UTC]

Hey, if it means I can headcanon whatever the hell I want for her and say she's a biromantic ace woman with no backlash, all for her being underrated.

The problem I have with him is that Kokichi's flaws have been done before and better. His whole character has been done before and better, even within Danganronpa. Celeste hit many of Kokichi's same notes in the original and those same flaws caused her to commit murder. As for the paranoia and trust issues angle, even Ruruka Andou from the anime hit those before Kokichi did, and again became a victim of her own flaws. The way their flaws were handled didn't entirely take them over and Celeste still felt like a human character (I blame Ruruka's problems on not enough screentime and being for a 12 episode anime). Kokichi had even more time to develop and in my opinion his entire character was too much a personification of the major theme and Shuichi's opposing force, Truth vs. Lies. He doesn't have enough human elements to him - a lot of his actions don't seem to serve his ultimate goal. There's also the fact that I just don't like characters like him that are an obvious red herring to the villain but take up most of the screentime regardless, especially since while not the same as Nagito, he does seem to serve the same narrative purpose, right down to dying at the exact same time. I think that's ultimately why I don't like Kokichi very much; his character ultimately sums up to "Been done before and better". His personality traits have been done before and better in Celeste, his narrative purpose has been done before and better in Nagito, even his voice has been done before and better; I think Derek Stephen Prince did just a bit better with Fuyuhiko than with Kokichi.

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Flauschi-Fipsi In reply to axris [2019-02-23 09:01:23 +0000 UTC]

Kirumi probably is ace. But that aint confirmed so

Tbh, if that's your opinion, theres nothing I can do about, so lets agree to disagree.

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axris In reply to Flauschi-Fipsi [2019-02-23 10:51:17 +0000 UTC]

It's not confirmed, but considering I don't interact with the fandom much these days after an incident last year, Kirumi might as well be biro ace.

I'm not sure why you commented in the first place since I think my first comment made my opinion of Kokichi quite clear, so I think someone else should've taken that advice.

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Flauschi-Fipsi In reply to axris [2019-02-24 11:04:28 +0000 UTC]

What incident, if I might ask?

Yes, but I just wanted to say that he's more complex than you implied.

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axris In reply to Flauschi-Fipsi [2019-02-24 11:13:50 +0000 UTC]

I headcanoned Rantaro as ace and Tenko as bi. This was enough for a bunch of Lesbian Tenko supporters to harass me, send me sexually explicit messages, regularly stalk my account, and eventually drive me away from my income for a while, for headcanoning the wrong thing for Tenko.

I don't recall saying anything along the lines of Kokichi being simplistic; just that he didn't feel like a human when he was actually needed in the story. A character can be complex and still not be very compelling or feel like a real person. 

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Flauschi-Fipsi In reply to axris [2019-02-24 11:21:43 +0000 UTC]

Rantaro certainly seems ace. He doesn't show romantic interest in anyone and his love hotel is entirely unromantic in nature.

Im sorry for what happened. Yeah there are a bunch of Tenko fans who will go batshit crazy when you headcanon shes anything but Lesbian. 

Well and I dont agree 

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xPeachyStrawberryx [2019-01-10 19:57:37 +0000 UTC]

Oh. Opinion on Kokichi, Sonia and Nagito are respected. And I agree with all 5 characters you like.

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FluffyKyubey42 [2019-01-08 16:37:29 +0000 UTC]

I had a feeling Kirumi would be on this list, heh. Very good taste in characters.

And I gotta say, as much as I freaking adore Kiyotaka, it still annoys me to this day how they just killed him off when he was right in the middle of his character arc and he had a lot of potential to develop. Like, Hagakure could’ve replaced him as one of the 3rd victims and virtually nothing would change.

Putting my son on the bottom 5 list, on the other hand, is downright inexcusable. Lol jk

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axris In reply to FluffyKyubey42 [2019-01-09 00:36:52 +0000 UTC]

Kiyotaka and Hiyoko both kind of have the same issue and could've been replaced with another character in terms of dying, but I feel Hagakure's looser sense of chaotic comic relief works better as the situation devolves, more people die, etc etc. I'm not a stranger to murdering characters in the middle of their arcs, either.

Hey, I have my reasons.

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FluffyKyubey42 In reply to axris [2019-01-09 00:49:10 +0000 UTC]

I suppose, though it still feel like he’s just there for the sake of being there. Like, his only purpose is to be “the goofball that nobody likes.” And I once read that they killed off Kiyotaka just because “there was too much stuff going on,” so that doesn’t really help. And yeah, point taken.

Alright, if you say so. *puts away the shotgun*

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WitchyEdgelord [2019-01-07 19:34:59 +0000 UTC]

These are all quite interesting perspectives for some of these characters. While some I may or may not agree with, I can certainly see why the opinions are the way they are. Personally speaking, I didn't feel as strong a connection to the SDR2 cast as I did DR1 or now with V3, but that might have just been my own caution with getting attached to the characters after the first game. XD

I might do this myself! (And yes I agree wholeheartedly on Gonta gndfkjbgjdk)

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axris In reply to WitchyEdgelord [2019-01-08 01:07:23 +0000 UTC]

I think it was an ascending scale on how easily I got attached to characters - I only got attached to a couple in DR:THH, got attached to more in 2, and then if they didn't show up in the Worst Character list or very close to it, I got attached in v3.

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Corripuere [2019-01-07 19:27:40 +0000 UTC]

I think Kiyotaka suffered the most from not being given enough time to develop, honestly.  The game kills him off immediately after he starts gaining some momentum.  He is the pure embodiment lost potential...that's all I can say.  Oh well...that's what AU and fan's developing the character themselves is good for lmao- 

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axris In reply to Corripuere [2019-01-08 01:06:00 +0000 UTC]

I mean, he gets that potential in his FTEs and his UTDP events, but he still doesn't stand out to me imo. I just don't like his character full stop.

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Corripuere In reply to axris [2019-01-08 01:55:24 +0000 UTC]

Oh- well I meant beyond that.  Then again, I have a habit of over analyzing characters... there's so many things they could have done with him.  Like I said, wasted character

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SpinoInWonderland [2019-01-07 12:04:03 +0000 UTC]

Never got the appeal to Kiyotaka's character as well myself. I agree that he's too damn authoritarian and has a stick so far up his ass that it extends into his brain or something.


Every time I see him I can't help but think if he would ever stop screaming about the rules like some maniac. Fortunately he did, thanks Celestia  

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axris In reply to SpinoInWonderland [2019-01-09 00:40:01 +0000 UTC]

I think the appeal is literally in him having a shirtless scene and being ripped but still maintaining that innocent element about the whole thing like a male female YA protagonist, which I know is a bit of an oxymoron, but still.

Celestia said fuck cops

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SpinoInWonderland In reply to axris [2019-01-09 03:20:41 +0000 UTC]

I love how the DR fanbase thinks a single shirtless scene somehow eclipses his utterly irritating overall character.

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justascythemeister [2019-01-07 11:53:48 +0000 UTC]

I love every single character that you put on you fave list but in the ones you dislike, i don't really hate anyone but i agreed on izuru, i love hinata and i think his roll in the history is important for his character,but in the anime, they make him a complety wasted of potential and that make me not like him anymore, as for sonia, i won't say that i dislike her(i mean, i like her desing, her relationship with gudham is really cute and she's funny sometimes) but yeah, her character isn't even interesting and there are times that i forget that she exist(SonDam is the only reason why i remember her existence) she has any character development and her character is just funny moments and a obvious crush on gudham so yeah i completely understand why you don't like her very much(heck, even star butterfly is a better "funny princess")
i like taka, kokichi and nagito but i respect your opinion, i wouldn't murder you just because you dislike something i like (i hope you understand my comment, english is hard)

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ricesniffer [2019-01-07 11:39:03 +0000 UTC]

I AGREE WITH SONIA!! She’s useless to the story at all! They should have made her dead and replace her with hiyoko because she deserves more. Why did they have to add her anyway? For what reason?

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axris In reply to ricesniffer [2019-01-07 12:21:42 +0000 UTC]

Like I said, I think the biggest motivator was forced diversity. 

Hiyoko was an absolute bitch and chips, but she at least had a purpose for being there and had more places her character could've gone.

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GreyRoseKitII [2019-01-07 11:28:35 +0000 UTC]

I like Izuru because he's pretty damn funny when he shows up (I have a weird sense of humor) I mean him kicking Junko is so satisfying. Just watch it on repeat In the DR3 anime
We can both agree about Gonta. He's a true gentleman.

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axris In reply to GreyRoseKitII [2019-01-07 11:30:00 +0000 UTC]

Eh, if I want a character to punch Junko in the face, I have enough art talent to make that happen myself, and even that considered I don't think it's enough to excuse him. 

ye

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GreyRoseKitII In reply to axris [2019-01-07 11:32:16 +0000 UTC]

I agree on the fact he is really OP. But just imagining him as the ultimate princess is funny. For me Izuru is a character I like for no reason. 
IDK why. Guys with long hair are really cool in my opinion (I like girls tho)

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axris In reply to GreyRoseKitII [2019-01-07 11:36:18 +0000 UTC]

i mean, I like guys with long hair too - half my fangan ocs have hair longer than their shoulders and most of the others at least have it down to neck length. So like, a dude who should be exactly my type being in the bottom three is like, whoaaa.

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GreyRoseKitII In reply to axris [2019-01-07 11:39:17 +0000 UTC]

yeah lol. 
I agree with you about Sonia. 
TBH my top 5 worst would be:
Teruteru
Sonia
Tsumugi 
Hagakure
Tenko

My top 5 best would be
Izuru
Nagito
Kokichi
Shuuichi
Kyoko 

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axris In reply to GreyRoseKitII [2019-01-07 12:19:40 +0000 UTC]

I definitely don't agree with all these but you're valid.

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GreyRoseKitII In reply to axris [2019-01-07 12:22:02 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. You're also valid fam

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