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arbon777 [2015-09-05 01:25:56 +0000 UTC]
((Inari watched this horrible scene in horror. Sure they hit a man eating dryad but even a Felaryan monster don't deserve to die like this.))
This is a very weird thought to have. The dryad has just admitted to doing roughly the equivalent to people before, and just admitted to being a thief, making her on the same level as the woman flinging fire around. Why have more sympathy for the serial killer who’d just attempted to commit murder than the people she’d eaten? Not one thought to the trade caravan? At all? Okay fine there are hints of this behavior when Inari threatens a man’s existence herself because this guard had the audacity to check if she was safe or not, but that still seems a little strange. Almost heartless, but not quite. More … awkward priorities.
((Besides, you guys are charged with theft, burglary and worse of all; murder.))
See? This is what makes it especially strange. She’s willing to melt someone in flames over a theft, but completely ignores the fact this dryad was a thief as well. She finds murder abhorrent, yet a serial killer who HAS TO KILL RANDOM STRANGERS CONSTANTLY as a part of her very existence, someone who’s entire life is an excessive in death and pain and the brutally vicious murder of anyone she can catch off-guard … burning her would be a crime? A shame? Why is the death of one thieving murderer so much more heinous than another thieving murderer? Why is there a double-standard between how the humans should behave and how the much larger, much more powerful creature should behave? Is this some opposite take on ‘with great power comes great responsibility’? Place the onus of justice on the weaker and more vulnerable victim?
The only reason that group of thieves and mercenaries is still alive at this point is because they had the deadly firepower of those weapons. Would Inari have stepped in if they were being devoured one by one because they didn’t have the firepower? If not, why is she stepping in to save the dryad? She apparently finds murder repugnant as the worst of all one’s crimes, yet actively endorses and condones murder from serial killers while constantly threatening murder herself.
The usual argument is that one is natural and the other is un-natural, somehow, but the scenarios are the same. For the dryad, her life is dependent on other people dying (in this case humans for the sake of food) and for the humans, their lives are dependent on other people dying (in this case the dryad who wants to eat them, and would eat others) … it’s not like this dryad is being dropped inside a small chamber with her closest friends and loved ones and forced to watch them scream and writhe in agony while everyone they were with dies around them. What makes the flames, the very flames Inari is threatening to use herself, so much worse than predation? What makes it so much worse than her own instance of burning and electrocuting serial killers that wanted to melt her?
(("You're not just a monster... you're an abomination... you're far worse than any monster in Felarya.))
Eeehhhh, nothing this Amarie has done is even slightly different than what the average predators do, save … wait. Actually there’s no possible way Amarie could have the same body-count as most predators, she’d have kill more than one person every day to keep up with the daily eating habits of mermaids and harpies and driders. She’s small enough to get into Negav and able to kill more easily within its borders, fine. That alone is a threat to society. But that makes her more uniquely dangerous, it doesn’t make her any worse than the giant predators or the fairies who would have done so anyway the moment they were presented an opening. Amarie doesn’t care about her workers or the people she hires, but from her actions neither does Inari. And if she does care then Inari hasn’t shown it up until this point, rather quite the opposite given how little respect she seems to have for the Negav guard. Amarie doesn’t have the slightest bit of care for the people around her, only the things she can aquire. Meanwhile the dryad doesn’t have the slightest bit of care for the people around her, only wants to watch the flesh melt off their bones as they writhe in a screaming agony. How is … how is Amarie worse? Identical sure, and I suspect this thief has eaten a few tom thumbs or such herself when presented with the opportunity. But ‘the same as a feylarian predator with a smaller body-count’ does not equate to worse.
Unless I’m missing further context and this villainous thief has managed other things that are worse than the other villainous thief whom Inari cares for.
(("I see, nice to meet you two. I am in your debt for saving my life, and as a start, me and my friends won't eat you or any of your friends. And my dryad network is under your command."))
I can imagine this being a hard promise to keep, seeing as you have to be aware of who is a friend to who, and I doubt the dryads take that much care into the daily gossip of social scenarios in Nagav. Worse not all dryads ask the name of the person they are eating and so unless they know a physical description might not be able to recognize one. And to further complicate things not all dryads give the murder victim a chance to speak, simply turn into a tree form and wait for people to walk inside, then turn back to normal and swallow. Their killing is too vast, too common-place, and too indiscriminate when it comes to smaller, weaker people that it’s simply not a feasible promise one can assure. Especially not with that gaping loophole in which a Dryad can gather up someone they don’t intend to eat, and feed the victim to one of their friends.
On the other hand aiding Mami did secure a friendly relationship with both this one thieving murder and the dryad species as a whole, so that’s far more beneficial than simply letting her die to the flames. Though it stills seems a remarkably heartless choice of logistics, siding with one serial killer over a spree killer, /still/ having no remorse for the mercenaries who died and yet noteworthy remorse for the dryad who could have died.
Is it pure logistics? The Dryad is more powerful and more helpful, therefore it makes more sense to aid her and hope she doesn’t just think you’re a meal at the end? A reasonable choice that worked out well, but doesn’t fit someone who’s trying to argue the moral high ground.
Glad to see Amarie dead after putting on enough of a fight to make her threat reasonably credible, and I doubt she would have been as kind to someone who saved her life as the dryad was toward the people who saved her. Though it’s still a horrible scenario all around and a very confused philosophy, it does have a happy ending for the protagonists and an amusing callback to the elven comment. Now to enjoy reading the next one.
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3phantoms [2013-07-29 17:28:11 +0000 UTC]
Well, I read the whole thing and several comments. I have to say I semi-agree with Shady: The dialogue and situations just seemed too convenient; and I'm all for coincidences but I find a string of them (4 or more) hard to swallow. Also, as one writer to another, I learned to show through sensory detail; asking what a character sees, hears, feels tastes, and smells. My advice is to ask them, not trying to sound arrogant, just constructive.
As for venturing out into jungle with no weapon, stupid. Very stupid. Even a sword or pistol would've helped this, since magic saps you. It would've been understandable if this was how she regularly got her inspiration, or was an adrenaline junkie, and with a little dialogue you could've shown this. Still would've been stupid, but there'd be no issue.
However, the exhaustion you showed of magic usage was nicely done, and the final two scenes were very nice, dialogue was smoother and the "buttering up" lines throughout were a nice touch.
I know how frustrating WB is, so you DO have some sympathy, but going over it again might not hurt.
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Shady-Knight [2013-07-02 17:10:22 +0000 UTC]
Sorry to say, but I couldn't finish reading this story. I don't think I made it to the halfway mark, I just didn't like where it was going. I'm going to repeat a lot of critiques from the previous stories, so just a heads up if a lot of lines are getting repetitive. Try to think of it as a reminder of past mistakes so you won't forget them easily.
My biggest problem with this one is the premise. It starts promising, Inari having a art block and needing something to get her mind off of things for a while, but then it says that these two elves are going in the jungle. The same jungle where giant monsters, the vast majority of them are amazing at hiding and ambush preys, and a few rare ones exhibiting human-level intelligence. That is one of the biggest violation of common sense I have ever seen in a Felaryan story. To give the thieves in your last story some credits, as foolish and unprepared as they were, there was at least some benefits to venture off into the dridder forest and try to steal Oralia's earrings. Here, there were no benefit whatsoever. Worse yet, it was implied that they were cops, or at least Inari was, which makes it even more nonsensical why they would ever consider going outside the safety of the city. It may as well have been an attempted suicide. If they really wanted a change of scenery, they could have just headed to the Motamo Docks or the Chomikai Commons, or if they really wanted, a trip to Nekomura. Yeah, there are bandits in the Commons, but I'm sure they would have taken those any day over the giant monsters, and a trip to Nekomura is relatively short compared to anywhere, so while it may be dangerous, they're not likely to run into anything too dangerous. Better yet, they could have just taken the nearby dimensional gate to have a vacation on another world. That thing is there for a reason. I can buy that the thieves in the last story were foolhardy, but this? No, I don't buy it. I don't buy for even a second that elves who have been living in Negav for years would ever think going into the death jungle for a reason as stupid as a vacation.
Just to quickly cover the narrative and dialogue, I think the narrative could have used a bit more showing and less telling. The dialogue I found just as unnatural as the last one, but here, I found it forced. Very forced. The way the guard and Ramina talked just didn't feel like a normal conversation. Him mentioning how tasty elves are, why would they bring that up? It's incredibly forced. Then there was the harpy. I read her very first line and that's where I stopped. First of all, a harpy immediately after an earth mouth. I'd call it a coincidence, but that was just too forced. Felarya is massive and creatures are very spread out. Intelligent giants like harpies are especially rare, except in places where some colonies of them live like the Ascarlin Mountains. The fact she appeared so soon after the earth mouth did just seems illogical, it feels like the elves were still too close to Negav, so why would she show up there? Again, it may be a coincidence, but there was too much narrative convenience for my taste.
On to more nitpicky stuff, one thing about Negav that irks me is that it's difficult to ascertain the level of technology in the majority of its places, but the car, like an actual modern car, just seemed out of place. What was that thing doing so close to Negav? I get trucks and such, you know imports of good from other worlds and then leaving, Karbo pretty much confirmed it for me, but a car just outside the the city gate? How did it get there? Where is it from? Why was it left there when there are thieves nearby? Why would elves even be interested in them, especially since a car would seem utterly unnatural to them. Speaking of elves, how Inari used an ice dagger to free Ramina from the earth mouth's tongue was just baffling. Wouldn't it be better to shoot a blast of ice to freeze and shatter the tongue, rather than running up to it with a knife, risking of falling into the funnel as well like a dumbass, thus getting herself and her friend killed? While I'm at it, if Ramina used earth magic to get the car out of the mud, why wasn't that her first idea instead of getting out and push the car? Again, they're mages! They should use magic to help solve their problem. They don't have to use it for every little problems in life, sure, but if it's a hell of a lot more convenient to use magic, then they should use magic. Lastly, the use of "predator" in-story. I always envisioned that term as a catch-all tem out-of-story. When I hear it in-story, I think of the alien creature in the Predator movie.
And that's my critique. It may have sounded harsh, but those are my honest feelings on your story, and your stamp told me to tear it apart. It was a major step down from your first one. When you say that you're not very proud of that one, it shows. It definitely shows.
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AzureJass In reply to Shady-Knight [2013-07-02 17:54:45 +0000 UTC]
I am sorry, but It's unfair to critique a story without finishing it. That's just plain unfair.
Ramina wanted to take her to a very beautiful and magical within the forest, even more magical than these places you mentioned. If you noticed, Inari questioned Ramina's choice of going into the forest. But Ramina was over confident of her skills and though they'd never face a danger they cannot deal with. Smug and over confident ? yeah but that's her character and characters must have weaknesses and flaws.
And I asked Karbo about the car thing and he told me that it wasn't out of place and it was okay to have it in.
Pushing the car with her magic wasn't Ramina's first choice because it would drain a lot of her energy and make her tired plus she wasn't sure it was going to work.
And yeah the harpy thing was just a coincidence.
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Shady-Knight In reply to AzureJass [2013-07-02 19:07:28 +0000 UTC]
I disagree with saying that it's unfair to critique a story for not having finished it. When all is said and done, the fact remains that that the reader found something wrong about the story, and instead of essentially saying "I'll accept your critique only if you read the whole thing", you should be asking "why couldn't you finish the story then?"
I understand someone being overconfident, I understand character flaws, I am currently working on a character who is an arrogant mage even. The problem with Ramina is that it was just not believable. People in Negav should know full well how dangerous it is outside the walls. That kind of behavior could be expected from an overconfident outsider, because at least the guy has no idea what he's getting himself into, but from someone who's been in Negav for possibly years, I expect more common sense. Getting exhausted from casting that spell just makes the thing even more idiotic. If she's aware that using a spell like that would tire her, then it makes her overconfidence all the more unrealistic. Inari and the guard may have questioned her, but they barely put up any resistance at all, so they may as well have been on board with all of this. What should have happened is that Ramina is prepared, but was too confident that they wouldn't run into something unexpected, and if they did, that she could probably use her magic to fix the problem. That way she's overconfident, but now it's more believable because then she's at least well-equipped and it's her overly optimistic attitude that does her in. At the end of the day, I don't accept this premise. Even if I had read the whole thing, it wouldn't have changed that simple fact.
About the car, I don't mean any disrespect toward Karbo, but I find him too lenient about what works and what doesn't. Heck, like I mentioned in my original comment, we have no idea what exactly is the tech level for the average Negavian, and his pictures of Negav so far don't support the idea of there being a lot of modern tech.
Anyway, my problems with this story is the premise and I find Ramina too overconfident to be believable. Sorry I couldn't read the whole thing, but that's just how the cookie crumbles. I'll still give the rest of your stories a shot.
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AzureJass In reply to Shady-Knight [2013-07-02 19:35:36 +0000 UTC]
The thing is, there are events in the next story that you won't get until you read this one I am afraid.
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Shady-Knight In reply to AzureJass [2013-07-02 20:00:59 +0000 UTC]
Well, guess I'll have to go back to it at a later date, then. Sorry for my outburst, I tend to be abrasive and vocal, which isn't helped by the fact that I have a fairly specific idea of how I think things should go in the setting. No hard feelings?
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AzureJass In reply to Shady-Knight [2013-07-03 04:38:27 +0000 UTC]
Just read the story fully and there won't be any hard feelings. Don’t jump to criticisms without getting the full picture, you might encounter things that will surprise you.
Just reading half way through and claiming your critique to be fair is arrogant I am sorry.
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Shady-Knight In reply to AzureJass [2013-07-03 18:39:45 +0000 UTC]
Well, I finished reading the thing and, well, my opinion hasn't changed much. I find the succession of events to be to convenient, so to speak. First the earth mouth, then the harpy, then they spot a dryad (not gonna question how she wasn't camouflaged even while she was sleeping, I'm just gonna pretend she forgot to turn her camouflage on), and then they immediately encounter a notorious wanted criminal. I find this whole thing contrived, and in fact, it makes the previous two encounters with the harpy and earth mouth feel like needless filler, even more so when you consider how insanely unlikely you would be to find two intelligent giants and a carnivorous plant so close to each other. It's probably just me, but I view an encounter with a giant like a dryad or harpy to be a major focus of the narrative, which I didn't see in this piece. The harpy really wasn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things, hence why I question her inclusion in the story. I can only assume this was to reinforce that the jungle is perilous, but I think it was poorly executed.
The fight with Amarie I also think was clumsily executed. We see her as fast, almost inhumanly so, but we don't really get much of an explanation as to how she could be so agile as to jump over a fireball without breaking a sweat. What puzzles me the most is that the story says that she was wounded in the legs, the source of her power, whatever that meant, but I saw that Rami stabbed her in the back with an earth spike with no mention of her legs ever being wounded. I can surmise that the drop is what broke her legs, but it could have been worded better, like how the spike lifted her high above the ground and that her knees shattered upon hitting the ground.
Overall, even after reading it fully, I don't think this story was well executed. Even ignoring the absurd premise, the succession of events is just far too convenient and even feels a little disconnected. I believe that if the encounter with the earth mouth and harpy were omitted entirely, it wouldn't have changed anything. It really shows that you were struggling with this one.
Still, sorry for having ranted yesterday. I'll do an effort to finish a story I don't like before I can make a critique from now on.
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arbon777 In reply to Shady-Knight [2015-09-05 02:08:01 +0000 UTC]
Having read the entire story and presented my thoughts on it before reading through the rest of these comments, I can say that the story was written in an amateur fashion but still above average competence in terms of narrative and character design. Shows promise and is more than interesting enough to draw my attention, with a number of neat characters I can pull inspiration from.
That said, I think I can understand part of why she felt so bold in traveling out into the wilderness on her own. Looking at her interactions with the Dryad, her lack of compassion for the numerous victims, and her strange dual-sided compassion for the criminals that wanted to melt her alive, I suspect she didn’t feel that serial killers being themselves (IE: predators) was much of a problem. The idea being that it’s a danger, it’s a risk, but it’s not “THAT” bad, and surely she could force her way out of an awkward scenario if it came to it. As I’m sure she has multiple times before to instill such confidence. Think over-abundant experience in coming out as the victor, as opposed to a lack of experience to not know what might go wrong. It showcases what a horrible person she is, yes, but then there are numerous other areas in which we see what a horrible person she is.
The guard’s compliance for example. She outright threatened their lives. No, I’m sorry, while a guard would certainly do their job and try to talk to people out of committing suicide by walking into a dangerous area, and that’s all this guy was doing, asking and making sure and wanting clarification for her decidedly odd choice of actions, but about the point that woman does the equivalent of pull a gun out and aim it at your face, proclaiming if you don’t shut up she’s willing to pull the trigger, is when most guards will stop caring and just let you through. It’s not like allowing the dangerously powerful and unstable elf OUT of the city would cause any harm to the more sane citizens living inside.
The contrivances are rather forgivable for the sake of the story in my eyes. While they certainly exist, it does lead to a nice flow. One danger into the next and into the next. The filler providing short stops in the story to add more character, add more interactions, showcase who these people are and what they are willing to do when pressed. While extraneous, the harpy and the earth maw improved the story by their addition in my opinion. But then I usually am of the opinion that more is better, as we’d have far less insight into their motivations and their relationship if we didn’t see them during those two scenes.
No way to explain the dryad obviously … most feylarian predators are childish and stupid, and appear to consistently view consideration toward others to be a foreign concept. She might have simply not cared? Maybe nothing attacks a dryad often enough to warrant hiding for her own sake and so she didn’t bother, as most catalogue would be for the sake of catching victims to murder. And she’d already just killed off a caravan and devoured all of their stock, so being full she might not have been in a hunting mood? Could also explain having the self control to lick at the wounds of two delicious tasting snacks without eating them as well, she’d already killed an entire swarm of frozen mercenaries and left them to melt in a tangle heal of gore and bones and the slurry of blood. It is easier to not eat something if your already filled up.
Last thing to note, while the inclusion of the car is a weird argument, I don’t think a hub world in which portals appear from anywhere and everywhere across the multiverse leaves one much grounds to exclude a type of tech, after all guns and laser rifles can exist there. While extraneous nothing stops a person from buying a sports car and importing it over. At the same time the car could readily explain the two back-to-back serial killer attacks. The Earth-maw was simply reacting to the rumbling vibration on the road, making it easy to pin-point a meal, and the Harpy must have been some distance away and heard the gleeful shouting and the roar of an engine. She’s giant and has wings and can fly faster than the car can move, she could have been in the sky some miles away and then just swooped down after spotting the movement.
Noisy fast moving, brightly colored things are likely to attract more attention than usual, and regardless of the number of serial killers in the area the events of the story make sense if one assumes the car is drawing attention.
Yes this naturally lends to the idea of these two being ridiculously arrogant, but it’s not that unbelievable when one takes in their other character traits put on display.
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InsectHusk [2012-10-31 00:54:52 +0000 UTC]
Mami must have some considerable willpower healing them in that manner.
I wonder if Inari will make use of those new dryad connections, a police officer and an unthinkable ally, like Commissioner Gordon and Batman.
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Krauser3000 [2012-08-13 09:49:08 +0000 UTC]
I have a thing for predator - prey friendships.
Any chance of a continuation of these characters?
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Krauser3000 In reply to AzureJass [2012-08-21 01:00:37 +0000 UTC]
I will definitely read that then. I like your writing style and I'll be watching for more stuff.
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SimonLorimer [2012-07-25 09:23:06 +0000 UTC]
Well, I enjoyed it! Always liked elven characters and they seemed pretty engaging. They do seem to be unusually reckless but I suppose, to quote the masses, #YOLO XD Liked the plot device revolving around her having artist's block, it's a very familiar feeling. I wish I could say more but I'm really not a writer XP Great job anyway!
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Gordan96 [2012-07-20 11:43:20 +0000 UTC]
Short stories? no more Short!
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MetalNazo [2012-07-18 20:53:00 +0000 UTC]
Man this was quite a story, I think you did a very fine job with the elf and dryad if you ask me.
Also nice reading a Felarya story with a car IN IT, you don't see many of those in Felarya^^
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Ilceren [2012-07-13 17:19:36 +0000 UTC]
Well, I can't say much more than I've already said. You've done a great work, and you say you have a block? Doesn't seem like so, at all! = P
I like the fact that Inari is bald, it's from the fire, isn't it?
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