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barta β BOYCOTT WINAMP 3
Published: 2001-11-17 07:38:14 +0000 UTC; Views: 9209; Favourites: 8; Downloads: 680
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Always loyal to WinAmp 2.x and to non-free-form skinning.Related content
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Now I can look back at all of this and laugh my ass off. The "forward thinkers" are all like "don't bash it it's a beta" at first, then they release the final "don't knock it, it's free!!" and now it's almost 2006, Winamp isn't totally free anymore. Winamp 5-point-something is out, and you know what? It's still bloated, it's still slow, and it's still buggy. And yes, I read all the comments, because this is something that interested me when 3.x came out, and I think anyone who's argument consists of "you have too much time on your hands" is laughable.
I have three versions of Winamp installed, 1.80, 2.95, and 5.1, I only regularly use 2.95. I have some sweet skins for WA5, and some sweet skins for WA 2.x and you know what's even funnier, I realized Musikcube is what I'm using right now, I'm not using Winamp at all. That's because the media library sucks on both versions. I was using MediaMonkey to sort my music, but it's been getting buggy lately too, and it's shareware.
Isn't it funny, all the people who argued with this stance, all their arguments, have been foiled by history. Has Winamp5 made things any better? Did AOL make Nullsoft any better? Did they keep Winamp freeware? Did they make it less buggy? Less bloated? Less infested with spyware? Did they leave out AOL icons that populate your computer?
Just because something is new doesn't mean it's better. It's a naive belief at best. The next time there's a technological "holy war", I know you won't bother to look back and think twice before taking their next step. I wish people would. Oh, and in response to the people who mentioned "go back to DOS": Vista is about to be released, I have the beta like so many other people do, I have XP Pro as well. And while I am not using DOS right now, I am using Windows 2000, by choice.
And before anyone gets the mistaken impression I'm on a 286, let me clarify I have an AMD64 FX-53 Clawhammer with a Gig of RAM. Yes the 57 is out, but there's a good chance this box is still better than your desktop machine.
Well, there's my two dollars worth. Hindsight is 20/20.
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windows 2000 O___o , ..
i know this is an old comment but O___o. ..
get linux XP
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Linux XP.. nice..
I still use Windows 2000. It's the best bloody OS to ever come out of Redmond.
I also like Slackware, as far as Linux goes.
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i meant the XP to be a smiley , i guess there is a linux XP isn't there.. whooops ^_^; right now i'm enjoying the ease of suse and the frustration of trying to get xgl/compiz working O_O
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Yeah XGL looks bloody awesome, but I'll wait until it's a little more stable and easier to get onto other distros before trying it. Otherwise I'll just set up a temp partition and put SuSe on there for the hell of it. If you need help, you might want to try using IRC and getting onto Freenode in the #SuSe channel.
[link] <- purty!
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Indeed!. +1 for Compiz, Beryl and Compiz Fusion.
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Now I can just use it with Ubuntu or any other distro without dealing with Novell. Yay!
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Im into Fedora so AIGLX is for me 
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yay, down with wa3, it blows, go barta, lead us to victory!!!!!!!!
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My hope goes to wa5...
It works with wa2 and wa3 skins (wa3 skins running faster, wa2 run the same speed as now).. So theres hope for all of us!
skinsfactory:
Free-form skinning is what separates the big boys from the little boys.
NO! Thats complete shit! im 13 and do free-form-skins
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read this: [link]
I WON MY BATTLE AGAINST WINAMP 3!!!
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Well, down with Winamp 3 or not, I gotta ask:
17kb for that?
That's more ridiculous than these signatures loaded down with images.
And those're pretty freakin' ridiculous.
I'm also a little confused... are the people making skins for Winamp 2 earning a living doing only that? All this customization hoo-hah and whatsit... they can't find something else to do? They're talented individuals, for the most part, I sincerely doubt they need Winamp 2.huzzah to continue their existences.
Maybe I just don't understand this 2.huzzah vs. 3 controversy. Don't attempt to fill me in, because I also don't give a rat's shiny patootie.
Having scrolled up and read a few comments... my old POS computer runs WA3 without a problem. Winamp 2.huzzah had options I'm sure a lot of people don't use - I've pretty much ignored all the options on both programs, though, so I'm not a good source of an opinion. Let's see...
Well, forget it. On a side note, Winamp, either 2 or 3, sits in completely minimized form, often lacking even the Playlist, as a less-than-colorful-but-it's-alright-'cuz-I-don't-care bar at the top-right of my screen. I open it, hit play, and probably never look at it again. Therefore, for me, skins are utterly useless, and on a side note, it doesn't lag in the least.
Do they give awards for longer-than-average comments that basically say "This image sucks, the argument sucks, why is this or any of us here"? They ought to. I need an award.
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damn man...you sure you didn't put this up just for the comments...j/k
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Woo dont think Im going to read most of those.. lol
Yes, Boycott Winamp! Go iTunes 4! ^-^
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Simplicity will be always better than complexity.
Winamp 2 will be always better than Winamp 3.
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WA3 is a pile of steaming poo!
I think they went too and tried to take over teritory that is much better performed in other aps. the only thing i even like about it was being able to make the EQ super-sized. but that's over and done with removed and back to version 2.
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Winamp 3 is buggy as all hell and is bloated like ICQ has become with options that 95% of us won't even use. They should have made a vast majority of the new options (non-skinning releated) optional plug-ins that could be downloaded at the users convinience. Haha I just remembered that ICQ and WinAmp are both OWNed by AOL. Don't even get me started on that tangent. 2.91 is ok, but I prefer 2.8X or even better, 2.666. Stable and reliable should be their first goal. I think the beta version of 3 was less buggy that the 3.0 release. On multiple computers that I have used winamp 3.x there has been playlist-cd player issues.
Face it, Winamp has gone retarded and then sold out. I am really bummed to have have to come to this conclusion. I hope they take note and get their sh*t together.
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Does anyone know why the hell WinAmp takes up around 20 meg of ram to run, whilst the installation file is 3.something meg?? I know the installation file is just a zipped version of the program, but surely, you can't shrink 20 odd meg into 3 meg.
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i agree with bluekeydesign who said it first
"Is it me or is this site called deviantART.
ART is freedom, emotion, and many other things.
Winamp2 constricts that freedom.
Winamp3 allows you to do whatever you want and truly be an artist."
are we wrong in moving in a direction that allows artists to create something that gives them more freedom in their artwork and works better with each passing day... aren't you going to feel like a complete fucking moron once you finally realize that it can be and will be better that the 2x version and get caught when you take a screenshot with the wa3 insignia somewhere on your screen?
just because you dont like something doesnt mean you have to try to abolish it for everyone else who might like it.. its ignoramuses like YOU that make the world a shitty place to live.. because you cant understand the driving force behind something you immediately push it away and go back to the way things were. so why dont you stop posting your crappy little boycott images and go do something a little more productive... in your case try educating yourself that WA3 is a beta version and still has many flaws that are being ironed out.. or maybe that WA3 doesnt run on shitty computers...
p.s. Sonique rocks my socks!!!
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I don't like Winamp3 in it's current state.
i) Although I have a great system P4 2GHz... it's as fast as a blue whale crossing the Sahara desert. That's when it's not crashing. It should still be in beta not final.
ii) There are no great skins and I don't like freeform skinning myself as it gives skins poor structure and poor design. The player lacks transferrability - you learn how to use a skin, not the player, and if you switch skins, "where'd the buttons go?". Also, skins are always too large (don't tell me to scale it.... then the font's too small).
Winamp 2 is fast, bitchin and has many many ΓΌber skins. If winamp3 improves I may switch over, but I don't see that happening this quarter!
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i totally agree with barta, winamp3 takes up resources and is a waste of space.. true to the winamp2 ways
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I won't boycott but I recognize the inherit superiority of WA2. WA3 is a resource big and fairly unstable as far as I am concerned. Plus I could never forsake my trusts Winamp 2.8!
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Free-form skinning is what separates the big boys from the little boys.
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I think it is because of "all the coding" involved that turns people away from wa3 ( and it really isnt that hard for spoots sake ). People say " i got this design and now i need a coder" and the like it is all bullshit. It is easy to code. All you need to do is sit down and pick the default skin to pieces and put it back together again.
As for the memory hog well it is less than windows media player and certainly less than sonique2 ( at least on my machine ) so if you want free form skinning ( no restrictions on size and what buttons go where and so forth ) I'd say you couldnt go past winamp3. If you want an archaic,lowish-memory-hog,"at least i know where all the buttons are" player then wa2 is for you.
As for boycotting wa3 pfft go ahead and boycott it, personally the sound i am getting out of wa3 as opposed to wa2 is so much better i will never go back.
Plus the skinning is more fun! There is only so much you can do within the constrains of the wa2 box.
Meh what do i know?
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Oh yeah, and if you plan on returning my comment, don't bother doing it here considering I most liekly wont be on this page again.
Just saying this becuase you tend to do that here. Sorry for the double comment.
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Frankly, I'm a Winamp 2.81 fan, just because to me, Winamp 3 is still in it's beta stages. I don't give a rats ass if they do say that it is a final release, it's still not complete.
I tried Sonique, and hated it. Poor sound. I like the idea of having more creativty in a skin instead of just the basics. Why dumb down something that trying to make it's way in the industry? I mean damn, it's even free-ware! How can you bitch about that? They could charge good money for either versions of Winamp.
Your opnion may stand, but you also just heard mine. I say let Winamp do whatever they want. IF it's free and as great as it is today, than more power to Nullsoft. Them then tinker with there creation.
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What you're basically saying is that for Winamp3 to get better in your eyes, it should get worse to the point where it's just a freeform skinning Winamp2. The Media Library, good idea for people who don't organize their MP3s often, and all the icon choices in Winamp2 sucked anyway (16-biters = Ugly Little Bitches on XP). Just take a program like Resource Hacker, get into the studio file, and change the icon. No biggy. And, the skins are not all great because skinners are just getting used to the XML interface coding instead of the simplistic images just being put together by the program itself. Winamp3 was a great idea, and it should live on just like it is. If it can get any better, then Nullsoft, show us! As for all you Winamp2 fans, stick with Winamp2. I don't care. You'll just be a little devastated if Nullsoft stops supporting Winamp2. : :
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I totally agree that WA3 sucks. It has less options and configurability (i'm not talking about the skins) then WA2. For instance, 3 doesn't have the options to change file icons, when it loads file info or many other options. Most of the skins for 3 are just plain bad also, just a bunch of people trying to take advantage of every little feature possible. In winamp's case, simple is better. The new media library is also idiotic and wtf is with the thinger or whatever they call that pointless thing. Anyway, WA2 for life! (or until WA3 gets much much much better)
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winamp 3 is gross.
free form skins are gross
most of winamp 2 skins suck too though and come from a stick the image in out comes a skin application.
finding decent winamp skins is hard. adding free form skins to the problem just makes it worse.
oh well.
i dont like winamp 3 so im gonna give you the thumbs up
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Winamp 3 totally kicks in the software realm. But for skinning... nothing beats 2.x
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I don't know how Winamp 3 is laggy unless you guys are using steam powered processors. Do you boycotters have no life? Your boycotting a FREE (no charge) program, if you dont like it(or cant run it becasue your using steam powered processors) then by all means don't use it, but why wouldn't you want to?
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One more time... I agree with all the people who said that WinAmp 3 is a memory eater, etc...
But why boycotting a free software??? WHY??? WinAmp 2 hasn't been abandonned by nullsoft!!!
The people who say that they prefer WinAmp2 are cool... I'm fine with them... But those who say to other people WinAmp 3 is bad boycott WinAmp3 , etc... are very stupid (in my opinion)...
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you could always just make winamp 2.x-style skins for winamp3 and keep the nostalgica, this boycott is pointless.
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I'm with you on this one
If WA3 had just been WA2 with a few new features, it would have been fine. But they've created a mastodont that don't have even an ounce(whatever that may be) of what made WA2 feel so good.
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good initiative, 'cus WA3 takes up WAY to many res's .. geez, can't even run WA3 and PS without lagg O_o
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You've got to be kidding me. Like everybody else that supported Winamp3, it's free. You don't need to switch. Nullsoft hasn't stopped supporting it (yet) either. Winamp3 is fully compatible with Winamp2 skins except for the menus and Playlist. The new playlist editor is nice. It allows you to have multiple playlists loaded and just switch from one to another without browsing for the file.
Freeform skinning is also a great revolution in Winamp3. Creativity is allowing your mind to freeflow onto what you're working on. Winamp2 skins were restricted from doing so. Plus, Winamp3 also allows for color themes and different skin modes. Say you wanted your skin to be small and hang over the side or uptop. It's possible in Winamp3 skin creation. XML files are not hard to code for Winamp3 either. You just specify X and Y coordinates, the image, and what it does. Simple stuff. Sure, it might be more complicated but look at the bright side, the great things in life don't come easy.
As for sound quality, I find there's nothing wrong with it. It sounds perfectly normal if not better. There are plug-ins that can help change the sound quality too if you don't like it.
Don't say down with Winamp3. It's the best thing Nullsoft has made yet. For all you people who love Winamp2 and never want to switch to Winamp3, I'm fine with that. Just remember that if you want style and quality, Winamp3 is the way to go.
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