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Duder-Skanks [2010-09-12 22:38:39 +0000 UTC]

Even if 3rd Impact is started, and the entire Dai-Gurren Brigade is turned into Tang, it wouldn't matter. Episode 26 has shown us what happens if they're captured in a state like that. The great Kamina-sama will appear before Simon, get him back, and then Simon will gather everyone up and form TTGL to fight GNR...

AND IT WOULD BE EPIC!

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lordpatthethird [2010-09-02 15:58:25 +0000 UTC]

It's the eye of the tiger its the thrill of the fight!

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Randomgorilla [2010-08-30 20:52:24 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm... This one seems tough... but let's break it down.

As with all fights, there is no clear winner, it all depends on circumstances. First, we have the conditions of each of the combatants; for this, let's assume they are both fully-developed and in the peak of teir conditions. Next, it depends on which version is fighting which and second, who has what weapons. It could be argued that as GL's drill can pierce time and space, that it would get through an AT Field; this is wrong. As is made crystal clear in both Neon Genesis and Rebuild, an AT Feild can only be broken by another living thing (as only living things have AT Fields of their own with which to neutralize it), and the Gurren Lagann (in any form) is still just a machine. The Eva, however, could harm the GL. That said, the GL can regenerate a lot faster than Eva can normally. Many also say that the incomprehensibly massive Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann would just step on the Eva; it is at this point I ask you to remember the time Sahaqiel attacked; Eva did buckle under Sahaqiel, however the Angel had an AT Field. In this scenario, the best chance for the GL to win may actually be with the Lagann Impact, as compared to Super Tengen Toppa, as Simon would be closer, meaning his AT Field (soul) would be able to interfere with and possibly break through the Eva's, allowing it to hit. When it comes to weaponry, pretty much all the GL has is its sunglasses sword-boomerang and various drills, barring Super Galaxy GL, which has laser cannons. Eva, however, has lots, depending on which version (NG or Rebuild, but we'll get to that later) is fighting, from its Prog. Knife to an assault rifle, to a minigun, to a positron sniper to the infamous Lance. However, while variety doesn't mean everything, it does help, and conventional weaponry does work on all Gunmen smaller than the Arc Gurren Lagann. The only weapon in the GL arsenal likely to penetrate the AT Field is the Super Galaxy's Spiral Beam Cannons, assuming spiral energy and the AT Field are made of the same thing. The next thing that comes into question is the Lance Of Longinus; it is spiral-shaped; does that mean it has Spiral Energy? Assuming that ATF and Spiral are the same thing, yes. It is impossible to say exactly what the Lance's effects would be, but it seems to adapt itself to any given situation; the only way the GL could defend against it would be with a Giga Drill; if these two opposing unstoppable forces were to meet, it is hard to tell which would win out, but think of this: the Lance might split, each half travelling down the Drill's threads, reforming behind it and going straight into the Lagann and Simon; although, it may also be split down the seams by the Giga Drill, or in cases of the bigger GLs, may not have time to hit Simon before the Eva is hit. Which GL versus which Eva is also a question I haven't seen raised: Many would state that GL would knock the Eva into another dimension and be done with it; this would probably be the case with the one off Rebbuild, but the Unit 01 from NGE has already been sent to another dimension by Leliel... and we all know what happened there! There is also the question of Berserk Mode; NG Eva cannot eat GL to absorb it, like it did Zeruel, as probably even an Eva cannot digest metal, though Simon/ Kamina would be on the menu; it also has the ability to never die... ever... no matter what happens to it; what is more, though the Eva itself is a more fearsome opponent than Shinji, it seems the berserk Eva cannot use weapons beyond melee; that said, the Rebuild Eva can utilize lasers with seemingly nuclear-strength capabilities and regenerate without having to absorb; this raises another question: The two Eva counterparts in Neon Genesis and Rebuild are different; I won't go into too much detail, but whereas the NG Eva is an eternal being that transcends death, the one from Rebuild (pictured) has a "True Form" is described as a massive "vortex of energy", and a vortex is a spiral; this basically translates as "Unit #01 IS The Spiral". Would... or, indeed, COULD Gurren Lagann fight against the very source of its and its pilot's power? Especially as the destruction of its physical body causes the energy to manifest itself quicker. Or would the Eva and GL combine on contact, absorbing each-other and creating something altogether different? The last thing to take into account is the Anti-AT Field. If that were to manifest through NG Eva combining with the Lance, would GL be able to hurt the Lance-encased Eva, and would the Anti-AT Field cause GL's plots to melt? Finaly, absorption vs combining: While the NG Eva can absorb others into itself, the GL can combine (though, it has not been seen to combine with organics like the Eva), taking them over; it may be able to do such a thing to the cybernetics if the Dummy Plug is being used, though, it may lose control once the power runs out or is disconnected by one means or another, or if Yui fights it off; or if it turns this function upon the Lagann and absorbs it that way; or vice-versa if the Eva tried to absorb the Lagann first.

Another thing everybody seems to forget in this debate is that while Kamina and Simon may be more "fierce" than Shinji, he is not the only opponent the GL can face; whenever Shinji's life is put in danger, Yui steps in... and she's something else entirely! Kamina and Simon also make it clear how male they are, which while being a strength against timid Shinji, is a major weakness against Yui, as man's one major weakness is woman; and as the saying goes, Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Also, we must consider the use of the Dummy Plug as an opponent; while it may live up yo its name, not being very smart, it has one hell of a temper, never tires and is completely unaffected by the emotional stresses of combat.

So as you can see, there is NO hands-down winner. The GL has sheer force, while the Eva has its resilience and tricks up its proverbial sleeve. Different versions of the GLs and the Evas also have their own sets of advantages and disadvantages relative to one-another, so really, the fight could be anyone's.

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Duder-Skanks [2010-08-22 14:15:12 +0000 UTC]

They wouldn't have to fight, just being near Kamina OR Simon's fighting spirit (or a punch from Kamina) would be enough to make Shinji into a badass 1st rank. They would then combine to fight off whatever stood in their way and drill until they've dug through. Once the've done that, IT MEANS THAT THEY'VE WON! JUST WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK THEY ARE!?

Anyway, the fight already happened, if you believe that Third Impact is what the Antispirals did to themselves and that their defeat is what caused Shinji to remove himself from the LCL...(TvTropes WMG FTW!)

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Ranger24 [2010-05-23 17:14:29 +0000 UTC]

Gurren Motherfuckan laggan all the way. Simonis Shinji's polar opposite in badassery.

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PyrusTheBat [2010-04-10 15:22:17 +0000 UTC]

hmmm
I would go with gurren-lagann based on the fact that it pretty much stopped the spiral nemisis(some type of apocalypse/ end of universe. also another point is how big it can get, sure tengen toppa gurren lagann set the record for the biggest mech in animation but SUPER tengen toppa gurren lagann broke that record + it looks like a giant kamina but blue and firey/made of spiral energy XD. Also (sorry to keep goin on) eva is organic while gurren-lagann is mechanical aaaaaaaaaaand it can get repaired via "fighting spirit"

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neophyt31 [2009-08-08 10:07:42 +0000 UTC]

gurren-langann, the Rahxephon, Nirvage, Jinvoe, Hibiki tokais Vangaurd, and Evangelion unit 01 combine through the power of fighting spirit to become the super transdiminsional Gurran-Lagann.

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ElDuraznoMuerte [2009-01-20 14:45:32 +0000 UTC]

You know, in a world with Spiral Power, it doesn't seem like SEELE would bother with creating the Evas. After all, the idea was to use them to bring about humanity's evolution to the "next stage" (orange tang, evidently.) That in mind, I can think of two possibilities for this fight, though I'm sure there are many others.

A) The machines represent different paths of evolution, and Simon is fighting for peoples' right to dig their own path and grow on their own terms, rather than being snatched up and mashed together in some kind of bizarre "Instrumentality" ordered by a shadowy council that lost touch with the spiral long ago. Everybody shouldn't be forced to evolve the way SEELE wants, after all. This would be an interesting fight because it addresses something Gurren Lagann doesn't touch on: "Yay, progress!" "Yes, but towards what?"

This fight would probably end with Simon making Shinji realize what he's actually fighting for (well, externally, anyway.) The horror of what he almost brought about would bring Shinji to his knees, but after some therapy (ie, Simon pounding him in the face while screaming, "LET'S SEE YOU GRIT THOSE TEETH!"), he grows into the hero fans always wished he was and they fight side-by-side against Anti-Spirals, SEELE and an endless parade of Monsters of the Week.

B) In this universe, the Evas are powered the same way that the Anti-Spirals are (which is how? Gurren Lagann never tells us.) The stated aim of the Third Impact is a lie. Either SEELE explicitly wants to end human evolution by turning us into orange tang, or they've been misled into carrying out the Anti-Spirals' Human Extermination System for this world. It does seem needlessly convoluted, but can you imagine the despair of the last few surviors as everyone around them is bursting into LCL and maniacal floating Reis dog them wherever they hide? It would fill them with the same supernatural horror that's held back human progress since the beginning of history. I think that the Anti-Spirals would enjoy that.

This could end like the first one, I suppose. Or Shinji could turn out to know what he's fighting for and *want* to destroy humanity because he's so bitter and depressed, in which case Simon would probably have to give a speech about drilling through every obstacle in his way before boring a hole through the AT-Field and piercing Eva-O1's core.

My favorite option, though, is having Simon's inspirational speechifying awaken Shinji's Spiral Power just as he's about to destroy Gurren Lagann. Wreathed in green flame, Unit 01 roars to the heavens and her armored restraints burst off. Shinji finally realizes what it means to grow and change and fight for the future you want. Either the Eva manifests a badass suit of samurai armor out of nowhere or she somehow combines with Gurren Lagann (which seems odd, since she's organic), and the united heroes stomp off to obliterate the forces of evil. NERV tries to stop them by cutting the power cord, but they hadn't reckoned on THE POWER OF THE SPIRAL!

One more possibilty: humanity turns out to be Obi Wan Kenobi ("If you strike me down, I will be come more powerful than you can possibly imagine.") Shinji defeats Simon and Instrumentality happens, but it turns out that our Spiral Instinct hasn't faded. Spearheaded by Simon's heroic spirit (along with a repentant Shinji?), the combined Instrumentality lifeform roars angelically into space and crushes the Anti-Spirals, giving us a bittersweet ending, as humanity has drilled a clear path for the species that follow.

Wow, that was way longer than I'd intended. Thanks for your time.

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Des-Shinta [2008-09-10 17:01:57 +0000 UTC]

Technically, both of their powers are based upon evolution. Third impact's whole Armageddon thing was supposedly to jumpstart a stagnant evolution...but it went badly for obvious reasons.
While Amahira touched upon the fact of Shinji and Simon coming from similar mental states, it should be said that Had Simon not had Kamina for a Role-model to becoming badass, and the others around to help him through those moments of self-destruction, he could easily have turned out the same as Shinji-if not worse. It's important to remember that Ikari grew up in a broken world, unwanted and intentionally kept from gaining a sense of self so as to be the key to controlling third impact.
Battle-wise, The Eva's AT field would have an advantage of holding out over everything in GL's arsenal short of the Giga-Drill-Breaker or linking up with Arc-gurren lagann or larger, since the fields cannot be 'ierced' unless enough physical force is applied, or a high-power energy weapon is used. As the field can also be used offensively to form AT-blades, energy beams and a hell of a lot of other phenomena, it is much more flexible than many weapons loadouts, if the time is taken to explore all the idiosyncrasies of the light of the soul. Gurren Lagan can do similarly with weapon alterations, but they do all come out as drills of some sort. S'2 engines have no known limit explored, and while the potential for Spiral energy is similarly limitless, only so much can be used in a mech without an overload. Both can regenerate, within reason. Mindset also has an effect on the piloting capabilities of both, straight-out depression kills any ability to activate either. The deciding factor, then, is probably the issue of the Eva's Neural feedback (The phantom pain phenomena coming from synchronization). Any injury coming from a drill or weapon which utilized rotation or spin hurts a hell of a lot worse then being pierced by a non-rotary weapon, or even a slash wound. With no buffer ever installed, the feedback from the high synch required in an Eva to go toe-to-toe with The Combiner Gunman could easily kill the pilot. If the fight occurred, in optimum conditions on both sides, Gurren Lagann would still probably win, but in my opinion it'd be a more difficult win than has previously been debated.
Here's a question; The Lance of Longinus is constructed from two strands of metal twisted in a helix structure-effectively making it a spiral. It can pierce any known barrier within reason. How well do you think it would hold off the Giga Drill breaker, which has a similar formation?

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Qt75Rx1 [2008-08-10 04:33:49 +0000 UTC]

Oh come on. Gurren Lagann wins no contest. Once Shinji got pounded a few times, he'd go all emo crybaby and then good ol' Simon would pull out the trusty "Certain Kill: Giga Drill Breaker" move and own the whiny sucker.

Or maybe after pounding each other for a while, Simon would punch some sense into Shinji.

"Don't believe in yourself! Believe in me who believes in you!"

And then he and Shinji would become best friends, and take on SEELE and the Anti-Spirals by combining EVA01 with Gurren Lagann. It would be the ultimate mecha, made of pure win.

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somedude248 [2008-06-20 22:19:09 +0000 UTC]

Gurren is pretty much the anti-Evangelion Mk II (the anti-EVA MK I being GaoGaiGar) so Gurren trashes the Evangelion.

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ReldenCalder [2008-06-02 16:59:35 +0000 UTC]

Short answer: Gurren-Lagann
Long answer: won't fit in this comment box.

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wisluna [2008-05-28 07:49:50 +0000 UTC]

Haha, wow. I think Gurren Lagann would win though :]

I just got the Gurren Lagann figure but I don't know how to pose it without accidentally breaking it....

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FirefuryAmahira [2008-05-28 00:47:46 +0000 UTC]

Gurren Lagann obviously. Kamina PWNZ Shinji any day, and Simon outgrows his emo phase and ends up all badass. Shinji and unit 01 can't hope to compete with that much GAR!

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