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KingOfHeroes1317 In reply to DemonicBounty [2013-05-30 07:58:17 +0000 UTC]

You don't need the novelization for that. Atlas was already saying that he was going to make Kratos suffer despite knowing about Gaia's plan earlier on. He was just a jerk who wanted to test Kratos knowing he was going to help against the Olympians.

What the novelization does show however, puts Kratos to shame really. A gorgon's gaze doesn't transmute people into stone and only encases them in easily breakable stone. Along with a bunch of other things like bronze-age weaponry actually piercing through Kratos' so-called god armor.

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DemonicBounty In reply to NehpetS227 [2012-05-07 00:16:09 +0000 UTC]

Unfortunately, this is one god that Kratos cannot kill.

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NehpetS227 In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-06-01 17:29:35 +0000 UTC]

I guess you haven't played any of the God of War games, just Marvel Ultimate Alliance im sure ... LoL

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DemonicBounty In reply to NehpetS227 [2012-06-01 18:53:28 +0000 UTC]

I played them. Kratos keeps getting killed by stuff much weaker than Thor.

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NehpetS227 In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-05-29 03:57:14 +0000 UTC]

The Gods Krotos Killed!
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You can Add Thir To That! Lol

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DemonicBounty In reply to NehpetS227 [2012-05-31 00:48:45 +0000 UTC]

I would, but Thor is stronger than those gods. He is faster than Kratos, stronger than kratos, has many more years of battle experience than kratos.

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GodOfWar3Titan In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-12-10 00:46:07 +0000 UTC]

I seriously doubt that.

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DemonicBounty In reply to GodOfWar3Titan [2012-12-10 01:48:12 +0000 UTC]

Thor can fly to the sun in mere minutes, can lift one million tons (once wrestled off a serpent large enough to wrap around the earth twice over). His hammer is capable of planet busting powers. He has lived far longer than Kratos, giving him many years of experience in battle. Keep on doubting, won't stop Kratos from losing badly.

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GodOfWar3Titan In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-12-10 02:06:40 +0000 UTC]

Kratos has the power of hope which renders the strength, speed, weapons, powers, abilities, and intelligence of all gods completely worthless. He has proved to be able to lift hudreds of millions of tons and defeat all of the gods and ttans single-handedly as well as the army of olympus and every single mythological beast there is. Kratos shattered an entire dimension that he was trapped in with his very presence. He has solved puzzles in mere moments while millions of others have taken lifetimes to ponder over only to have died a horrible death. How is Kratos losing badly?

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DemonicBounty In reply to GodOfWar3Titan [2012-12-10 02:18:23 +0000 UTC]

Really now? Because all I saw it do was allow Kratos to beat Zeus, who is no where near on Thors level either. Hundreds of millions of tons? Really? I recall no such feat. He defeated those gods, one at a time, and they have been canonically "dumbed down" due to the influence of opening up pandoras box (by that i mean their judgement is not on their best). Puzzles eh? The same puzzles I solved by playing the game? [link] Like the guy above posted.

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GodOfWar3Titan In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-12-10 02:45:36 +0000 UTC]

Kratos used the power of hope on all of the gods. However, he was only able to use it to the extent that he was able to get past their immortality because it was buried deep under his sins that he couldn't forgive himself for. After he gained this power he shattered the dimension of fear that Zeus had him trapped in. An ability far stronger than anything Zeus had in Greek mythology. I've been studying Greek mythology since I was twelve and the Greek gods are most powerful in the God of War series. In Greek mythology all they did was curse people and sit lazily while in God of War they actually get up and performs acts of unthinkable power. Pandora's box actually gave the gods increased power. It didn't dumb them down. It does not matter if you even had a remotely relevant hand in solving the puzzles because Kratos did most of the thinking and the grunt work. YOU are not involved in the crossover battle. YOU did not defeat the gods singlehandedly. YOUR intelligence is not being tested. Kratos has withstood the mighty clap of Cronos. An attack that would've enforced hundreds of millions of tons onto Kratos's body. You even underestimate Kratos's speed. He generates blue fire when he runs with the boots of hermes. To reach this speed you have to be going anywhere from Mach 25 - 40. To reach Mach 1 you need to go 720mph. Meaning Kratos's maximum speed is 28,800 mph. While not as fast as Thor, it still makes up enough. Kratos's reflexes go far beyond that. Kratos has to WAIT for lightning to come to him so that he can reflect it. WAIT FOR LIGHTNING!!!

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DemonicBounty In reply to GodOfWar3Titan [2012-12-10 03:03:45 +0000 UTC]

Nope, the only god he killed with the box was Zeus (and Ares, if you want to get technical). He never showed using it's power against the other gods. It did dumb them down, it clouded their rationality (Zeus was clouded by fear for example). Kratos did most of the thinking for the puzzles? How? The player was controlling him completely at that point. Had the puzzles been the same in a real life situation (not counting the immense strength needed to move some of the box related puzzles) it should logically still be just as solvable. Factpile has debunked the hand clap and his so called speed already. I beleive the threads in question are Kratos vs Pit, Dante, Sephiroth, and Hulk (not all at once mind you). And even if he was that fast, it still won't make up as thor has shown faster than light speed.

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GodOfWar3Titan In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-12-10 03:54:36 +0000 UTC]

Of course he never SHOWED us using the power of hope against the gods. However, the gods are immortal. How could Kratos have killed them when they are immortal? The solution is using the power of hope that he had the entire time ever since he opened Pandora's box. Everything you needed in the puzzles glowed. An example would be Hera's chalice in God of War 3. Would you have even known to pick up the chalice if the cutscene hadn't shown Hera throwing it away? Or the game having had the chalice glow outside of the cutscene? Or have known to take the stone out of the chalice and look through it giving you the ability to look through the giant stone's eye? All that and the actual puzzle without the omniscient point of view the game gives you. While STILL considering that millions of people took lifetimes to simply ponder over the puzzles. Rationality is not factored into battle. Only intelligence of the battlefield. I do not know who factpile is but if their estimations are any less than mine then they are drastically wrong. I have stated that Kratos wouldn't be as fast as Thor, but his speed being faster than what most would think helps significantly. Kratos's reflexes are faster than the speed of light is what really helps.

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DemonicBounty In reply to GodOfWar3Titan [2012-12-10 15:55:23 +0000 UTC]

the gods are immortal in the sense that they do not age. They still have been killed without the need for pandoras power. He had it but never used it till he defeated Zeus. Millions of people did not perish solving the puzzles, they perished by the monsters within the puzzles. Rationality IS a factor in battle, as lack of it would make your own fighting weaker as you cannot make Rational decisions. And there is no proof of Factpile being wrong other than "Because I said so". As a site they require proof of any claims made, be it in the form of data ggiven by canon sources, or proof using what the canon material can provide.
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GodOfWar3Titan In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-12-13 00:07:09 +0000 UTC]

"the gods are immortal in the sense that they do not age"

I'M SHOCKED!! What a bold and ludicrous suggestion. Not to mention very disprovable. How come Hades never died when Kratos stabbed him in the liver, heart, and neck ten times? How come Zeus didn't die when he was stabbed in the heart and plenty of other vital organs with the sword of olympus that contained his and Kratos's power? How did all of the gods survive being stuck in Cronos's stomach for decades since childbirth? Most importantly, how is Prometheus not immortal considering a giant bird ate all of his internal organs every day and they just grew right back? This would not only suggest that the gods were immortal, but able to regenerate very quickly as well. Even the Titans were immortal considering the gods did not kill them, but instead trapped them forever. The only other thing that could've killed a god would be Hades's soul hooks, which stole a god's soul and used it as power, and the sword of olympus, which stole a god's immortality if they tried to wield it. Kratos has both. Have you even played all five games? Name one person who has killed a god in the God of War universe other than Kratos and maybe I'll even consider that they're only immortal in terms of age. You're right that rationality is a factor in battle. If someone was getting beat up in a fight they would usually have the rationality to run away before they got killed. But since the gods did not have that rationality they were stubbirn and they prolongued the fight and managed to try and beat up Kratos a little more. My apologies. Millions of people died within the traps that were set around the puzzles. There are ways to NOT activate traps and a certain rythm to getting around them. As well as the scattered corpses that were around the mazes. Many defeated the monsters as there were no corpses around the locations you encountered monsters. I've seen your links and all it turns out factpile is is just a bunch of random debators proving Kratos better than everyone else. I stand by my statements. My statement about the boots of hermes are true considering I consulted my friend, who is a pilot, and if there is anything he knows it is planes and mach speed. My statement about Cronos's clap is true because most debators just count the weight of Cronos's hand. Both hands were pressing in opposite directions towards Kratos. And Cronos didn't just lay his hand on Kratos. He used arm and bisect strength as well. Plus Cronos is a titan. Meaning that even at normal size he would be stronger than the average person and considering this is the KING of the titans he would be stronger than Atlas, who was able to lift up the planet for all of eternity. THEN Cronos has to carry a mountain on his back for the rest of his life while having his skin peeled away at by an infinite desert sand. This serves to make Cronos's skin tougher after it grew back in Tartarus. Does that sound like a "because I said so" You're lucky I didn't say billions of tons.

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DemonicBounty In reply to GodOfWar3Titan [2012-12-13 02:06:56 +0000 UTC]

I missworded my claim and i apologise for that. They are immortal in the sense that they do not age, have incredible power and healing> Your claim was that they are immortal in the sense that they cannot die unless killed with the power of pandora. A false statement as only two of the gods were killed by such a power. Persephone herself was killed before the events of GoW1 where kratos originally opened the box. Having healing powers does not equal to true immortality, which is what the gods have been shown to have (and if the novel is canon in any sense, Kratos has a limited version of this granted by the blades themselves). As for the blade itself, Kratos never weilded it to it's true potential. At all. He has had to charge it in order to kill the titans with it. If you read the factpile links you would notice only one person is trying to convince everyone else of that (grengodon or soemthing) That and it is usually at the begining of the fights were the blatant fanboys start posting. In a site such as that they will accept only concrete proof, unless such a proof is already considered standard knowledge. The hermes proof is unreliable, as the actual flames ggiven from the boots are just that. Flames made by the wings of the boots. Particle effects. That millions thing would hold merrit for it not the lack of any calculations that may or may not have million in it, the fact that Kratos never lifted the hand during the initial strike (which would contain the full strength that you are implying, if it where there). If anything, this is a feat of endurance and nothing more.

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GodOfWar3Titan In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-12-20 19:06:50 +0000 UTC]

Actually, I purposely said that the gods have incredible healing powers when only some of them do. Each god displays a DIFFERENT type of immortality. Like when Hades is able to reattach his heart and liver to his body. Like when Zeus was stabbed by a giant sword in all of his internal organs, yet Zeus's IMMORTAL soul was able to leave his body and attack Kratos. But he never regenerated the stab wound. And if you say Hades only lost parts of his flesh then I'll say it would've been all the easier to regenerate. As for Persephone, I feel like that was a plot-hole and nothing more considering it was MADE after God of War 1 and the directors didn't realize this mistake. However, even if there is the slightest chance your right and the gods of olympus aren't immortal... so? You won't have proved that the power of hope wouldn't have given Kratos the power to easily kill a god. We could assume that since the power of hope forces all of a god's strengths and abilities COMPLETELY useless that it could take away a god's immortality as well. Plus, Thor isn't even immortal OR have regenerative abilities! Kratos has used the blade of olympus to its true potential in the beginning of God of War 3 where it's the magic ability. What does it matter if Kratos charges the blade of olympus? It only serves to show that Kratos can use the blade of olympus beyond just having normal strikes. Then if we give Kratos his ability to utilize lightning like in the first game, he can use the sword of olympus like Zeus at the end of God of War 2. By the way, the fire gien off from the boots is indeed fire. Fire that generates from the 28,800 mph Kratos can run by wearing them. Why is your light particle theory not correct? Because the fire given off of the boots when Kratos wears them is not given off when Hermes wears them. You know. The original wearer of the boots.

"That millions thing would hold merrit for it not the lack of any calculations that may or may not have million in it"

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN!!! Are you trying to say I would need a different unit of measurement for millions to work? How about MEGATONS?! Is that good enough? Or Is that your way of saying "because I said so". The very thing you probably thought I would be doing.

"the fact that Kratos never lifted the hand during the initial strike"

He.... was... in Cronos's hand... the WHOLE TIME!!!!! How is it even conceivable that Kratos never stopped Cronos's clap during the initial strike? Cronos literally had Kratos in the palm of his hand and Kratos was standing, not going anywhere, and stopped the attack at the moment of impact as well as still lifting his hand. I have provided CONCRETE evidence to support this claim.

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DemonicBounty In reply to GodOfWar3Titan [2012-12-20 19:23:06 +0000 UTC]

The power of hope was only ever used against two of the Gods, Ares and Zeuss. The others l.were killed without it. Despite possessing it, he had no idea that he did and he did not use it during those times. At all. The sword was charged for to finish off the titants, while Zeus managed to wipe them all away with one swing during the initial war, so yes Kratos cannot use it to its fullest potential. We have seen proof that Kratos items tend to have aura to them, and nothing suggest that he can even move at that speed since Hermes himself never displayed such speeds either. Even then he has not shown using them continuously.
By the million thing, i meant that there is no mathematical proof on your part.
Yes he was in cronos hand. He did not begin lifting the hand untill after the strike. Had he done that since the strike began then maybe the million ton thing you stated would be correct. Even then he only lifted it enough to use his blade.

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GodOfWar3Titan In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-12-20 20:37:38 +0000 UTC]

"The power of hope was only ever used against two of the Gods, Ares and Zeuss"

I have shown more proof that can disprove this than you have to prove it. Know you're just saying baecause I said so. And AGAIN. This does not prove that Kratos wouldn't be able to use it against Thor who isn't even immortal to begin with. Also, Kratos COULD use the blade of olympus to its full potential when we give him the power to use lightning like Zeus. The reason that Hermes could not move at the same extreme speed because he could not use the boots to the same extent that Kratos can. Because, without the boots, Hermes would be slower than Kratos obviously. And I have stated that Cronos's clap could easily equal billions of tons of weight. However, to avoid rageing fans from yelling at me. Here's your mathematical proof.

Planet = 6.6 quintillion tons

Atlas strength = strength to lift the entire planet for eternity > 6.6 quintillion tons

Cronos is the king of the titans so therefore he is stronger than Atlas.

Cronos > Atlas =
Cronos alot > 6.6 quintillion tons

Cronos clapping may exhibit less force than an actual punch therefore we should lower the bar to 573 billion tons.

Now Kratos stopped Cronos's hand so AND Cronos continued to force his hand to crush Kratos so he was still applying force. So let's say 428 billion tons of weight were being forced upon Kratos that he had to lift. So by pressing me, you just proved that Kratos can lift HILARIOUSLY MORE than I was portraying him to. And that's STILL with much, much, much more generosity that I should be giving.

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DemonicBounty In reply to GodOfWar3Titan [2012-12-20 22:47:21 +0000 UTC]

Because we only saw him using the power of hope against zeus and ares. WHen Zeus snapped his neck he went through the whole mind thing to reunlock it. Nothing at all sugggests that he was using it against the other gods. And no he cannot use the blade to the same extent as Zeus. I never saw Kratos kill all the titants in one swing of the blade. FOr the hermes thing, any proof gthat he can use it to a greagter extent? Hermes was using them for much longer than Kratos short bursts.
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Atlas does not hold the entire world on his own, nor does it seem to be 6.6 quintillion tons. there fore, not a good comparision. Especially considering that Cronos was struggling with Pandoras temple (reduced to a crawl)
Lifting strength has little to do with striking strength anyway. Infact, people who train purely for lifting tend to have weaker strikes.
He did not stop the hand, he clapped them together, a moment passed and Kratos lifted enough to stab at it.

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GodOfWar3Titan In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-12-20 23:29:26 +0000 UTC]

"Nothing at all sugggests that he was using it against the other gods."

Except for the fact that Kratos had the power of hope the whole time while he was killing the gods and the very definition of a god means that he is immortal. And when he reunlocked it he was actually just using it to it's full potential by bring forgiven for his sins. And once again even if you are right and this is true then neither is Thor immortal nor invulnerable to the power of hope and would, in fact, be completely defenseless against the power of hope. The only reason Kratos used them in short bursts was because the game designers didn't want the player to make Kratos fly all over the place. Yes, Kratos did not defeat all of the titans with a single swing of the sword. However, he never used the sword that much against the titans. And when he did they were completely devastated by single blows. Also, we are comparing Kratos with all of his abilities and weapons from all his games against Thor. Not just God of War 3 Kratos against Thor. Since Kratos will have the ability to use lightning like Zeus he will also be able to flow lightning through the blade and make it pull off devastating attacks like Zeus could.

"Atlas does not hold the entire world on his own"

Please enlighten me on what was helping him then. He had completely destroyed the pillar that held up the world and not many people want to sit for eternity while holding up the world. So tell me who was helping Atlas?

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DemonicBounty In reply to GodOfWar3Titan [2012-12-21 18:43:04 +0000 UTC]

He had it but he did not use it until he had his fight with Zeus at the end of GOW3. None of these gods have true immortality as they have been killed before (only two have been proven to be killed with the power of hope).
Thor still does not need immortality nor invulnerability to defeat Kratos, as Kratos himself is neither of these things as well.
And yet we never see any use of the boots in cutscenes to see Kratos using them to their full potential. The potential of which is still not any form of Mach speed.
Zeus was capable of killing all the titans with one swing/shockwave. Kratos has not shown this ability throughout the entire series. Therefore it would stand that he does not possess the ability to use it to it's fullest, as the fulles it has been used is by Zeus.
He is going to use lightning magic against another lightning god that has been proven already to be far superior? alright then.
First link shows that part of the pillar was destroyed, not the whole thing. Second link shows several more items holding up the earth (Including that giant landmass in the middle). If the scaling is correct as well, then not only is Atlas not holding the entire world himself (Hint: He is not), the world itself does not have the same mass as the actual earth.

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ak47pwner In reply to DemonicBounty [2012-12-13 19:31:00 +0000 UTC]

Going to barge in for just a second in you two's debate : Ares was nearly killed two times by normal Greeks in the Illiad, Hades was badly wounded and Aphrodite also wounded. They are not invincible no matter how much that Kratos fanboy likes to claim, as Homer's cannon/greek mythology says they can indeed be killed by ordinary mortals

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GodOfWar3Titan In reply to gellvar [2012-12-10 00:45:05 +0000 UTC]

Which one's the angry jerk?

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gellvar In reply to GodOfWar3Titan [2012-12-11 02:10:15 +0000 UTC]

Kratos. Did you seriously have to ask that?

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GodOfWar3Titan In reply to gellvar [2012-12-11 02:15:24 +0000 UTC]

Yes. Considering Thor is also an angry jerk with a superiority complex while Kratos is, at most times, justified in his killing, I did. I do agree Kratos is angry. Not a jerk.

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BIG-D-ARTiZ In reply to wingzero7X [2011-08-10 17:31:02 +0000 UTC]

lol

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Jester-Hellequin In reply to wingzero7X [2011-08-07 05:37:19 +0000 UTC]

asif

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BIG-D-ARTiZ In reply to Thor3250 [2010-11-08 01:38:18 +0000 UTC]

haha i agree

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BIG-D-ARTiZ In reply to Three-P [2010-03-30 04:17:18 +0000 UTC]

kill em all lol

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BIG-D-ARTiZ In reply to saintvulcan [2010-03-20 02:11:55 +0000 UTC]

haha

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