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BlacktailFA — Warplane Disasters! Ep.5: The C.714 Cyclone
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Published: 2015-04-06 06:25:14 +0000 UTC; Views: 945; Favourites: 6; Downloads: 6
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The C.714 Cyclone was a developmental disaster that seems to have slipped the attention of many historians.It was an emergency response to the legendary BF 109, but had a wooden construction that didn't make it light, the hottest new engine that made it too slow, lots of cockpit glass that gave it poor visibility, and it's weapons were all an afterthought.
There's more that's wrong with this Fighter --- SO much more --- but the presentation itself it long enough, so I'll spare you a longer introduction.
Also, this particular episode of Warplane Disasters is special, because it's the first one I've done on an aircraft that isn't featured in either "The World's Worst Aircraft" by Bill Yenne, or "The World's Worst Aircraft" by Jim Winchester!
These are my sources for this presentation...
www.aviastar.org/air/france/ca…
www.aviastar.org/air/france/ca…
www.aviastar.org/air/france/ca…
www.aviastar.org/air/france/ca…
www.aviastar.org/air/france/ca…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caudron_…
simviation.com/fsdcbaincyclone…
simviation.com/fsdcbaincyclone…
www.sci.fi/~fta/ca-fin-1.htm
desertwar.net/caudron-c-714.ht…
www.avionslegendaires.net/avio…
www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/cr714.h…
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Hmm, the shape of the fuselage gives me an idea ....
Make it somewhat larger, give it a more bubble-like canopy (not a genuine though, as it wouldn't need it in it's role), add two modern turboprop engines with skewbacks to the wings, put a ground radar + FCS in the upper part of the nose, and a large-bore, low-recoil autocannon under it. That'd be a hell of a light ground support fighter if you consider what propeller-driven airplanes managed to carry in WW2 and effectively use against tanks.
Need to start doodlinga sketch of it once the work on my midget sub's done. ^^
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Interesting... you just described the design formula of the USAF's A-X Program prior to it's 1970 revision. After that, it was required to carry much heavier armor and payloads, and run on jet propulsion.
The ultimate result was the A-10. XD
It also sounds like and aircraft I'd expect to see in one of the Raiden Fighters games!
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Well, it's just logical isn't it? ;-3
Turboprops easily beat jet engines in fuel economy, they're comparably quiet and modern models are even well-suited for low flight speeds (aka: more accurate ground attacks). And the largest guns in operational use in an aircraft in WW II were 75 mm guns, quite a load to knock on a tank's roof (or a bunker).
I'd limit the MTOW to less than 10 tons however (no need to carry tons of bombs if you have a large slug-thrower at hand), simply because I'd use streets and halfway flat grass fields as runways for it - less probs with demolished airports and mined runways you know.
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It had a Renault 12R engine of 450hp., the later model had an Isotta-Fraschini Delta(Italian) of 730hp.. The last model had a v-16 Renault engine of 800hp. The last was experimental and possibly burned to keep it from the Germans.
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I've always marvelled myself with the Cyclone. It looks bad, and certainly did the part.
I'm also interested in that comment about the race aircraft-to-fighter. The legendary Spitfire was based on a racer, after all. But, either I am mistaken, or that was more of a matter of "what can we learn with this racer" than "let's put guns on it! - eventually". you probbaly know more about this than I do.
Finally... do you have, will you do, a series about the oddly-named Lightning II? Because that one is priceless - in every regard of the word.
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The thing with the Cyclone was that it's wings were to narrow to contain guns, and no one thought to change the design of the Race Plane's wing when it was converted into a fighter (on top of that, no one thought to mount the guns in the fuselage, either). In short, the design team was being lazy, and they ended up with a lemon because of it.
As for the F-35, many people ask me about it; I do in fact intend to do a series on that aircraft, but the quantity of failures and bogus concepts it inherits is staggering. Seemingly every time my notes start to catch up, another mission-breaking problem leaks-out to the media.
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I do see your point. Hipotetically, do you think that if they wanted, they could have made the wings slightly thicker, to allow the guns, without losing too much in terms of aerodynamics?
It doesn't surprises me so many people want a show about the F-35. In my opinion, the real tragedy is that if they stuck to the original specifications, they could have made a proper replacement for the F-117 and the A-6. As it is, though, it's just a mess.
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