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BlacktailFA — Warship Disasters! Ep. 2: The Kynda class Cruisers

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Published: 2015-06-21 08:36:40 +0000 UTC; Views: 1402; Favourites: 7; Downloads: 9
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Description The Project 58 warships, known in the West as the Kynda class, were the Soviet Union's first attempt at a purpose-made major surface combatant armed primarily with guided missiles. Unfortunately, they were de-facto Destroyers that were overloaded --- both figuratively *and* literally --- with the equipment and operational expectations of a Cruiser. They were thus accidental homages to the HMS Swift (see the first episode of this series), that fell flat in operational service.

In this presentation, you'll see how Project 58 went wrong, starting in it's infancy, and continuing all the way up to when these four unfortunate vessels were stricken.

As usual, I got editing support from Screbellious on the script for this presentation, so few spelling or grammatical errors are likely to have survived. 

Here are my sources...

fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/r…

flot.sevastopol.info/eng/ship/…

books.google.com/books?id=tkGD…

books.google.com/books?id=Pryq…

www.steelnavy.com/Kombrig%20Dr…

fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/thea…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kynda-cl…

russianships.info/eng/warships…

books.google.com/books?id=Pryq…

fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/r…

navypedia.org/ships/russia/ru_…

russia-history.narod.ru/sovshi…

defenseissues.wordpress.com/20…

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Comments: 8

S7alker117 [2015-06-21 20:03:56 +0000 UTC]

Welcome back!

I didn't knew about these. Good episode.

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BlacktailFA In reply to S7alker117 [2015-06-21 22:37:26 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't aware of the problems the Kyndas had either. After reading "The World's Worst Warships" by Anthony Preston, I was inspired to look around for blunders that weren't covered in the book.

There's a HUGE number to choose from that were built during and before World War 2, but most warships built since then haven't gotten much (if any) serious scrutiny by anyone. The Eastern Bloc hyper-inflated the stated value and capability of their warships, which the politicians of the Western Bloc (in and out of uniform) dutifully parroted to inflate the perception of the threat --- and vice-versa. On top of that, little attention has been paid by anyone to the warships of second-line and neutral navies since 1945.

For that reason, I decided to cover a Post-War ship in the second episode, for the sake of variety. Extensive records on how awful many warships from before 1945 were are a dime a dozen.  XP

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thormemeson [2015-06-21 14:48:51 +0000 UTC]

I assume you won't cover the Kirov class since its not much of a failure?

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BlacktailFA In reply to thormemeson [2015-06-21 22:23:18 +0000 UTC]

Do you mean the Heavy Cruisers, or the Missile Cruisers?

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thormemeson In reply to BlacktailFA [2015-06-21 23:17:37 +0000 UTC]

Both

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BlacktailFA In reply to thormemeson [2015-06-22 02:50:15 +0000 UTC]

The Kirov class Heavy Cruisers definitely had some serious issues, but they were long-lived in service. The Kirov class Missile Cruisers turned out pretty well, but they were still too expensive and resource-intensive to meet the Russian Navy's needs.

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thormemeson In reply to BlacktailFA [2015-06-22 02:54:58 +0000 UTC]

The Missile Cruisers were massive and very impressive to look at.

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BlacktailFA In reply to thormemeson [2015-06-26 09:16:48 +0000 UTC]

Indeed --- but some had more substance than others.

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