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Blue-Uncia In reply to Iron-Zing [2010-09-05 13:37:46 +0000 UTC]

Not quite, but you already know that by now.

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Blue-Uncia In reply to Nehirium [2010-09-05 13:37:32 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, bit too much creative liberty perhaps, but we'll see.

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Blue-Uncia In reply to meroe1313 [2010-09-05 13:37:01 +0000 UTC]

Almost right.

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Blue-Uncia In reply to AlieMey [2010-09-05 13:36:53 +0000 UTC]

Lol. Bijna goed.

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Blue-Uncia In reply to Ebonyleopard [2010-09-05 13:36:36 +0000 UTC]

199 pages? That's quite a lot! XD

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Blue-Uncia In reply to Frey-ofthe-Arcane [2010-09-05 13:35:33 +0000 UTC]

It's the abs.

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Blue-Uncia In reply to OnlyLookin [2010-08-09 17:18:54 +0000 UTC]

Also... Maybe it's just me, but the term 'dickish move' seems a tad uncalled for.

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Blue-Uncia In reply to OnlyLookin [2010-08-09 06:41:40 +0000 UTC]

Well, that was unexpected but you're entitled to your own opinion.


Now here's mine.

1. I didn't mean this to be offensive in any way, so if that's what it felt like to you, then I apologize. But to the best of my knowledge the theme of this tourney doesn't revolve around contests. It started out that way, and it's set in the Contest Hall, sure. But the theme is basically: kill the dark scary mind-controlling thing. That's it.

2. I understand that it would have been a beautiful Karma sort of thing if it had all come full circle and gone back to appeals, but to be honest I didn't feel like drawing 20 pages of appeals. And why would the MC just stand there and watch all that? That wouldn't have made any sense, and I think a lot of other people would have thought THAT was anti-climatic.

3. If you check out the BT journal with the prizes and achievements, you'll note two achievements, which I interpret to mean that you can beat the MC in two different ways: appeals or battles. So both seemed quite possible to me.

4. Regarding the plug-part: well, the Feraligatr thing is a bit far-fetched maybe, but the cover page sort of already gave it away, didn't it? And Candy's Future Sight also built up to it. I realize it seems like I magically pulled out a giant gun, but it didn't exactly just appear out of thin air. Also, the Feraligatr isn't going to kill the MC. It's only going to be in about 5 pages of the entire 71-page thing, and it won't even land the killing blow. Its main purpose is to sap the MC's power and boost morale.

That's what the entire BT has been so far, right? A roller-coaster ride, up and down between hope and despair. Every time you wondered where it would end. I just wanted to keep that theme going in this final battle, which is why there's hope, despair, hope, despair, etc.

Now I understand that you mainly find the SoL-plug offensive, but look at it this way: Aside from using a SoL character (with all its pre-existing connections) I haven't plugged my main comic anywhere so far during the BT. It's been a year, and I personally am looking forward to spending a lot of time on SoL again. It wasn't just "HEY, GO READ MY MAIN COMIC NAO!!" It was also a way to get myself psyched for SoL again. I'm supposed to have fun too, right?

5. The appeals would have worked. The MC said so himself. But he was far too strong already and it would have taken too long for them to bring him down to normal strength. Remember all those BT journals? I always got a sense of the MC being insanely strong from them, stronger than perhaps even Mewtwo. So why would a few appeals whittle him down so easily? They did serve a purpose; they stalled for the Future Sight to take effect. Again, I realize you might see this as a bad thing, but if I hadn't included appeals at all, would this even be an issue?

Also, I'm not going for the "stronger = better" theme at all. The previous war-style battle did nothing at all to weaken the MC, but he totally lost his temper when they started doing appeals. That right there should tell you something. And again, the Feraligatr isn't going to kill him. His strength merely comes from the fact that he is an incarnation from the future. How it all works is actually yet to be explained in the final 10 pages. To the best of my understanding from the way the BT works, it's all quite legitimate.

6. The comic isn't done yet. That's my final point. I know it doesn't seem like much compared to the rest of the thing, but there are still 10 pages to go, which should explain everything. I feel a bit bad that I have to point this out, but maybe you could wait and see what happens then? Rest assured it's not going to end with everybody staring at Sandy, going: "Wow, your future must really be something spechul". XD



Anyway, again: you're entitled to your own opinion, and I respect that. I hope you'll stick around for the final 10 pages at least. If after reading those your opinion still stands, then that's perfectly fine.

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OnlyLookin In reply to Blue-Uncia [2010-08-09 21:20:15 +0000 UTC]

Kay lets break it down for ya then.

1. Yeah but theres always the fact that everyone got into this and this was forged around contests, sure theres a plot that means you gotta kill the ominous overcontrolling darkrai but that still doesn't mean ya gotta do it through battling, contests are the whole basis of the competition.

2.It totally wouldn't be anticlimatic. Throughout the entire comic Sandy has been in charge of whatever group she's been with, always leading the attack, always fighting brtually, and always winning. It would have been way more interesting if, for once, she had to let other characters lead the way, like what was happening a few pages back. It was really awesome and exciting, she was finally having to rely on another character. I had expected Sandy to maybe go on and reflect about the new friends she made, or something like that...

3.Yeah but you tried both and they both apparently failed against the MC, whereas the feraligatr seems to be the onnly thing capable of landing damage on the MC.

4.yes but its still gonna be confusing to any competitor or reader who has never read your comic. This is what I'm trying to get at more than the plug part, causing confusing with a plug is whats happening cause readers will just think 'ok so what does a feraligatr have to do with the story? I've seen no mention of feraligatrs or totodiles anywhere'

5.like I said before, the previous two strategies didn't work at all when there was a load of strong mons producing strong attack but then somehow one huge pokemon is able to take him on alone, a bit god modding don'tchu think? and on that point to be honest, It's not just the feraligatr that is the problem here, it's that it's from SANDY'S future, and it's mega strong and just totally overwhelms the MC. This is a great example of god-mod.
What if Candy had gone and gotten everyones future selves to come and fight? Or, you could have brought in some of the multiple realties Sandy was in or something...anything like that, because those things are more relevant to the BT overall. And sure, he's not going to kill the MC but...I just find it really unnessicary. The BT itself has a ton of stuff you could have used, lots of cool characters with cool stories you could have pulled in to 'boost moral'. But instead you chose to bring in a giant unbeatable feraligatr.

6. well I know its not finished, I just think you had a great thing going and just totally went the wrong direction with it. You could have made that future sight do numerous things but, in the end, you chose something compleatly unrelated to the BT. And it threw me off.

And yes, even after all that my opinion stands, I'm sorry but thats just how I feel about the situation.

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Blue-Uncia In reply to OnlyLookin [2010-08-10 09:01:00 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for reading and answering. While I understand your points, I still think it's a bit unnecessary to get upset over it, let alone to start calling names. It's just a story.

To be frank, I hadn't expected this kind of reaction at all. While I'm perfectly fine with criticism and while I anticipated that some people might think the Feraligatr was over the top, you actually seem quite agitated. I'm sorry about that.


1. I'm afraid I just don't agree with you on that. OCTs are actually an event in which people are encouraged to explore different solutions to a problem. It means there's more than one way to tackle a problem. The BT itself is only set in a Contest Hall. That's it.

2. To clarify, Sandy has not always been in charge of all the groups. She was more or less in charge when she was in small 3-man groups, but whenever she got in larger groups others took over. BD was in charge in round 4, BB is in charge in my round 6. Sandy, while important in a "hey-attack-that-for-us" sort of way, is not the leader.

As for the ending, I just know some people would have disliked something based solely on appeals. I've read so many rants about other series and books in which the bad guy is not just killed outright, but is merely beaten in some roundabout way that I figured I'd go and try it like this. I'm sorry, but endings will always have people divided. There will always be people who like or dislike it, and you can't please everybody.

As for Sandy always winning, I thought that was sort of a prerogative in OCTs.

3. Like I said before, you haven't seen the ending yet.

4. Technically there was a Croconaw in my round 5 entry. It belonged to Sheepi. But seriously, the Feraligatr-thing will also be discussed in the final 10 pages. After they're done reading it, people will more or less know what's going on and they can decide for themselves whether or not they want to read SoL. Some things are often explained on hindsight in comics; it's a story-telling technique.

5. Again, I'm sorry you feel that way, but here too the final 10 pages will go into this. As for the supposed god-modding, if you really want to know how it works then here's the spoiler: The Feraligatr is not the actual character Nile from SoL. It is a projection of the future, which happens to look like him. Nile will never be this strong and if he ever had to face the MC himself, he'd lose big time. Since he's basically a piece of animated future, his existence contradicts what the MC told Candy: that there is no future. So he represents hope, a powerful positive emotion. Positive emotions hurt the MC, so basically the Feraligatr does the exact same thing as the appeals were doing earlier. It makes him weaker and negates his ability to tap into negative emotions.

Now you are of course free to consider this god-modding too, but that's basically my reasoning behind the Feraligatr: to introduce a counterpart to the MC's own power source, so that he can be taken on by the others. And also consider this: this is the MC's weaker clone. If he is killed, the main one is still alive and kicking. Also, Zing said that because of the multiple realities all of our rounds could basically work for the story.

As for why Candy didn't look into someone else's future, that's not really how the move works in this story. She was just supposed to look into her own future, a few minutes from then. That usually means she sees how the battle ends. Instead she got stuck in the MC's trap and it messed up how the move worked. It sucked Sandy in with her, because of their mental bond. And since Sandy's future is also more or less Candy's future, that's why things happened the way they did.

And while it's true that there multiple realities of the BT might have been a possible substitute for the Feraligatr, I just didn't think of it. Honestly though, I'm not really sure how I should have illustrated that either.

6. I'm sorry you feel that way. Again, all I can say is please hold on until the final pages are up. I realize I probably won't be able to change your mind with any of this, and that's okay. There's also a very likely chance that you still won't like it after the final pages are up, and that's fine too. You're entitled to all that.


But please don't go thinking that this was just my idea of plugging SoL in there. That was not my main intention. I started out wondering how the MC could be defeated and after exploring all the possibilities, this was the solution I came up with. I ran the idea by others too and they liked it as well.


At any rate, I hope you don't stay angry. I rather enjoy your comments normally. Let's just agree to disagree?

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OnlyLookin In reply to Blue-Uncia [2010-08-16 23:11:48 +0000 UTC]

sorry for the late reply, I've not been in the mood for wall-of-texts lately...

and I don't see what the problem is really? I'm not angry or agitated I was just pointing out something really.

1. no its not it, the whole concept of the tournament was based ona foundation of contests and even had the first round held like a contest battle and just changed to different prompts for the battles and still keeping in theme with contests.

2. I don't just mean being the leader of all her little groups, its just the fact that she takes control of the situation and is always the hero in the end, she always is the center of attention and while you portray athens as a leader of sorts too, Sandy is still the one that brings all of it into control and saves the day. Yes and I know that always winning is a prerogative but theres lots you can do to bring about a different way of winning, but solly and candy seem to win outright with little to no trouble at all.

3. And now I have seen the ending, I still feel it ended a bit anticlimatically, and it still doesn't address the point that neither of the strategies of appeals or battles worked and the god mod Feraligatr is the only thing able to neautralize it.

4. I read the last 10 pages, and without reading Sol I would have no idea what the feraligatr is doing there. it didn't get explained like you said.

5. Yes exactly, so if the feraligatr is doing the same thing with postivie emotions as the appeals were doing then why didn't you finish with them, I genuinely thought the previous ones you showed were very inventive and gave a chance for everybody else to shine and not put sandy in the limelight.

and I haven't been angry at all through this, its just disappointment really.

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Umbri-girl In reply to OnlyLookin [2010-08-08 21:35:11 +0000 UTC]

I second this motion!

:C how anticlimactic...

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Blue-Uncia In reply to Umbri-girl [2010-08-09 20:06:24 +0000 UTC]

As I told OL, while you are of course free to like or dislike whatever you want, could you at least wait until the final 10 pages are up before you make up your mind?

This is kind of demotivating...

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OnlyLookin In reply to Umbri-girl [2010-08-08 21:37:22 +0000 UTC]

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Blue-Uncia In reply to fractalxavier91 [2010-09-05 13:35:39 +0000 UTC]

Sorta. XD

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Blue-Uncia In reply to Marshmowllo [2010-09-05 13:35:45 +0000 UTC]

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Blue-Uncia In reply to Edowaado [2010-09-05 13:35:59 +0000 UTC]

A power ranger? What makes you think that? XD

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Blue-Uncia In reply to Weirda-s-M-art [2010-09-05 13:36:09 +0000 UTC]

Rawr.

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Blue-Uncia In reply to forrgotenrose [2010-09-05 13:36:23 +0000 UTC]

There had to be a connection at some point. XD

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