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Description Credits moved to the top for all of you 'TL;DR' people out there.

Lineart basis by found here [link]
Original concept and inspiration for the lineart(as credited by Rigoberto10) by [link]
Sakumo Lineart by found here [link]
Colors and OCs by and
Kakashi, Sakumo, and the original Hatake clan (C)

Ok. In our fanfic "Learning Your Heart", Kakashi learns that Rin did not die, and is, in fact, being held captive by Orochimaru.
After rescuing her, they have children and this is their flock; a set of quadruplets.

The one in the red shirt is 力- Ryoku (Strength)
The one in the blue shirt is 君マル- Kimimaru (Honest/Noble Male)
The one in Orange サクモ- Sakumo (After his Father)
The one running amok in the background. 健四- Kenshi (Healthy/four)

Ryoku is responsible, intelligent and neutral. He's also the oldest (Which means he was born last) and tries to keep his other brothers in line.

Kimimaru takes after Obito a bit, even in the way his hair is styled. He's honorable and a bit of a 'samurai' in the sense that he'd do little things like help old ladies cross the street. This also means he's the 'tattle tale' in the group.

Sakumo is named after Kakashi's father, a testament to the fact that Kakashi really has forgiven his father and hopes that his son will bring some honor back to the name. He is excitable, a bit melodramatic and somewhat skeptical. He's also the most perverted, and fairly lazy.

Kenji is loud, rambunctious and troublemaking. He plays pranks on his parents and other people (much like Naruto). He's also the most naive and the youngest. (Meaning he was born third)

Kakashi is a bit older now (around 38) and so I tried to make him look a bit more like his father in the face. Sakumo SR. is there almost like a ghostly image watching his family proudly from the afterlife.

Now for the story part of this picture. As a forewarning, this contains a spoiler alert about our fanfic. lol

In our fanfic, Obito is a stand-in body double for Madara.
After Akatsuki attacks Konoha, Obito severs his ties with them and stays in Konoha.

Rin had something to do this particular day, and so she left Kakashi in charge of the kids. Kakashi tried to get Obito to help him, but found out that he was busy with his own daughter.

So Kakashi has spent the last four hours with all of his boys in tow. With their sometimes clashing personalities this gets difficult, even for a Kage level Jonin. After some long hours, Sakumo and Kimimaru finally pass out.
Ryoku is trying to get Sakumo to wake up, while Kenshi is in the background, running around and trying to get his dad's attention, who doesn't want to move lest he wake up the other two.
Kakashi's thoughts; "Four of them... all at once... I'm thinking about summoning the dogs..."

Ryoku: "Come on, Saku-chan. You're so lazy..."
Kenshi: "DAAAAAAAD! Look at THAT!"

Sakumo SR.: "Heheh. You've always got to out-do me, Kakashi."
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Comments: 44

littlelillygirl1 [2012-01-24 02:55:27 +0000 UTC]

i love the look on kakashi's face

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to littlelillygirl1 [2012-01-24 10:38:39 +0000 UTC]

heheh. yeah. thats my favorite part in just about any version i see.

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littlelillygirl1 In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2012-01-24 15:03:47 +0000 UTC]

yup i'm a 100% kakashi fan lol

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Umaken [2011-09-01 19:02:02 +0000 UTC]

Did the original author give you premission to re-draw her art?..
Anyway, you could at least credit her...

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to Umaken [2011-09-01 22:11:09 +0000 UTC]

In fact, to avoid more people who don't read ALL of the comments, I'll move the credits to the top.

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to Umaken [2011-09-01 22:09:25 +0000 UTC]

If you'll read my artist's comments, I gave all propor credits.

This lineart [link] by *rigoberto60 is a free to use, as long as I give credit--which again, as you can clearly see in my comments, I did. I'm also acquainted with them, and speak to them as friends from time to time.

This lineart [link] I ALSO gave credit for, again, seen CLEAR AS DAY in my artist's comments. (I really wish people would actually read those...) and it is, again, another free to use lineart.

As for the third lineart of the boy running in the background, this I got from a CD that I bought from a store, that came with an anime clip art book full of free to use, non-comercial, psd image files, where they ask for no credit, as long as you don't try to sell them in any way--which I'm not.

I think I've amply covered your concern, and just to make you happy, I sent a message to both of the artists, informing them of my usage of their works, even though they didn't say you had to, or even that they wanted you to when you use their linearts.

Have a nice day. And please, in the future, read artist's comments before trying to 'catch' someone in art theft.

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Sanzo-Sinclaire In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-09-02 05:50:52 +0000 UTC]

in fact IM the original artist of this picture...[link] rogoberto60 asked me if he could colo my sketch....AND UNDER THE PIC HE DID MENTION "original idea by sanzo-sinclaire" but gave the link to just my page not the pic itself......

Umaken was right....i think you should apologize....as it seems this was one big misunderstanding....

lets live friendly!

sanzo-s

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ToAtoneArt In reply to Sanzo-Sinclaire [2011-09-02 13:33:33 +0000 UTC]

It was a misunderstanding that Umaken created by not specifying. His/her words inferred that Dereismann didn't give anty credit, and in no way, shape, or form specified you, so OF COURSE Dereismann got defensive. Umaken came across as a troll (even though obviously they aren't one), so Dereismann responded accordingly. I think Umaken should apologize first, if any apologies are to be given.

And Umaken wasn't being friendly. They were picking, rather than saying 'Hey, fyi, that lineart was an inking of an original. Here's the link (link). Makbe you could credit them?"

THAT would have been friendly. ^_^

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Sanzo-Sinclaire In reply to ToAtoneArt [2011-09-02 17:24:24 +0000 UTC]

i really dont want to get involved into anything...but reading artist comments really should help a lot in the future i guess....XD

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ToAtoneArt In reply to Sanzo-Sinclaire [2011-09-02 21:00:30 +0000 UTC]

He did. He credited the lineart that used your image as inspiration. He didn't do anything wrong. I think him even adding you was really nice, and shows he's a bigger person than all of this.

I think the real issue here was Umaken talking down to DerEisMann and not specifying exactly what he meant.

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Sanzo-Sinclaire In reply to ToAtoneArt [2011-09-03 06:13:23 +0000 UTC]

soo he did...why didnt....the other artist? maa okay okay....we got our lesson.be polite and READ artist comments XD

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ToAtoneArt In reply to Sanzo-Sinclaire [2011-09-03 15:44:36 +0000 UTC]

DerEisMann DID. He didn't use YOUR work, so he didn't bother crediting you. The other guy not only inked it, but redrew a lot of details which are different from yours to his, and even added another character. He only asked for credit to himself, so that's what DerEisMann did. Maybe you should have told the guy how to word it in his artists' comments? That's how I handle it when I ink stuff, and would if others inked mine. DerEisMann did nohying wrong here. Has no reason to apologize. I think all parties, ASIDE from the lineartist, owe him a huge apology, but people are too self centered to actually realize something like that. He's the victim of three people who didn't know how to comunicate anything they wanted, and I think he's handled it VERY well.

'Case closed', end of discussion.

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to Sanzo-Sinclaire [2011-09-02 11:43:07 +0000 UTC]

I'm not apologizing to anyone who comes at me like that. Umaken came to My page with that attitude, without even proper explanation of the situation.
The least I'll do is credit your original.

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Sanzo-Sinclaire In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-09-02 17:23:43 +0000 UTC]

well at least thankyou for that...

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to Sanzo-Sinclaire [2011-09-02 22:55:07 +0000 UTC]

Don't get me wrong, I respect you for your work, and I appreciate the fact that you've allowed it for free use.

I just really didn't appreciate the...really badly written way Umaken came at me, followed by you seeming to take his side and actually asking me for an appology to them, when they were obviously rude. It sort of turned me the wrong way.

Not to mention the extremely arrogant follow up message they sent me. Wow...

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Sanzo-Sinclaire In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-09-03 06:12:01 +0000 UTC]

i m not standing this time on any side....im just saying..in future...lets read artist comments very carefully(i know i sometimes dont..when its too long hahaha)
so a lesson for us all!XD

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to Sanzo-Sinclaire [2011-09-03 06:13:47 +0000 UTC]

you did take a side when you told me to apologize to him. But whatever, I'm off it.

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Sanzo-Sinclaire In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-09-03 06:33:42 +0000 UTC]

she should have made her point more precise..but we are people ..we make mistakes.....in this situation we ALL where mistaken...you for not reading the artist comment...umaken for not making herself clear in her point..and me for siding a friend ,,,,

in the end im not too happy that my idea is totally changed into something else..all i did was allow the guy to colo my work(not to let him pass it further)...technically...thats all i allowed...but whatever....its only a drawing..

its not like its the end of the world and everyone is making millions of dollars off it and i got nothing..hahah

lets all chill and have a cup of tea!


case closed

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to Sanzo-Sinclaire [2011-09-03 14:46:06 +0000 UTC]

...I read Rigoberto's comment just fine. But, I didn't use YOUR work. I used the lines he provided, to which all he asked for was credit. It's almost like a chain link.

Next time, if you choose to let someone ink or color your work, you should be more specific on the terms in which they post it. Not to mention that, sorry, it's fanart. technically, you don't have any rights to it anyhow other than the fact that you drew it.

True. If I took YOUR picture, posted it on my gallery, and then said "I drew this" that's art theft.

But if I took your picture, even without asking, inked it, and colored it, and said "original by sanzo" that is permissable even in dA's FAQ's, creative commons and the fair use laws. #Linearts-n-sketches has a whole blog on those laws and what they do to protect artists and what it's considered to be.

dA also has different rules when it comes to fanart, since technically every piece of fanart references an outside source and is not actually 'original.' While you're up here talking to me about 'credit' and 'changing your idea' I notice your picture doesn't give any credit to Masashi Kishimoto, Shonen Jump, or any of the actual people who DO hold rights to the Naruto franchise.

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Sanzo-Sinclaire In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-09-03 18:23:37 +0000 UTC]





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Umaken In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-09-02 04:51:35 +0000 UTC]

*rigoberto60 is not an original author of this picture. And if YOU had read their artist's comment to the end (instead of telling me to do it), you'd know who relly is.

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ToAtoneArt In reply to Umaken [2011-09-02 13:35:55 +0000 UTC]

If you read the rules, you'd know that Dereismann doesn't really HAVE to credit ANYONE if he doesn't want to. DA calls it a 'polite courtesy', which most of us artists do.

You came at him, and in no way shape or form specified the original artist, and made a blanket statement, saying he didn't credit. You started a mess that was unnecessary because, sorry no offense, you don't seem to grasp the English Language very well.

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to Umaken [2011-09-02 11:41:37 +0000 UTC]

*rigoberto60 was the creator of the lineart that I used. Those were the pictures I referenced. Not *sanzo-sinclaire 's art.
So you should probably ask her to credit Masashi Kishimoto for drawing fanart of his characters.

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Umaken In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-09-02 12:56:14 +0000 UTC]

It's good that you finally credited the original author as I said.
I hope some day, you'll understand what feels an artists, who's picture, made by his own hand and heart, was taken without premission, remade and stuffed with totally different meaning.

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to Umaken [2011-09-02 15:55:02 +0000 UTC]

You accused me of 'redrawing' sanzo's picture. I didn't. I used a LINEART, which was made by someone ELSE, who had PERMISSION to do so from sanzo.

Then you told me to 'credit the person I took it from', which I DI. I did not TAKE it from Sanzo. If I had taken it from Sanzo, I would have credited Sanzo in the first place, as you can tell by looking through my gallery that I always credit lioneartists when I know who they are, and ask people to help find when I don't know who they are. When I reference art, I give credit. I always give credit to outside sources in my art, INCLUDING Masashi Kishimoto, Naomi Takeuchi, Akira Toriama, Tite Kubo, and others. The REAL original artists. Something a lot of fan lineartists forget to do, inadvertently taking credit for the character creation onto themselves. And even then, as several FAQ on DA, creative commons and fair use laws state I don't really HAVE to credit them for fanarts, as long as I'm not SELLING it. Which you'll notice, none of my fanart is available for print, and I don't do commissions with other people's linearts.

I hoep that some day, you'll learn how to talk to people, and come at them so that your MEANING isn't lost, you don't needlessly offend people, and atart a self righteous, immature argument with someone who doesn't know to care about your opinion one way or the other.

Let it also be known that me crediting Sanzo has NOTHING to do with you, but moreso with Sanzo herself messaging me. And because I'm more open minded and fair than you seem to be.

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ToAtoneArt In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-09-02 16:10:40 +0000 UTC]

Closed minded jerk. Don't pay them much mind. They don't even speak English as a first language. They're Russian. Try not to hold it too much against them that they don't speak English very well. I don't THINK they MEAN to be rude, and as far as immature? They hide their age, birthday--everything. They're probably a really talented little kid. They don't know any better. I bet they're a Capricorn or a Taurus anyway... *shrug*

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to ToAtoneArt [2011-09-03 03:42:43 +0000 UTC]

i was thinking the same thing @cap or taurus

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ToAtoneArt In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-09-03 16:28:33 +0000 UTC]

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ToAtoneArt In reply to Umaken [2011-09-02 13:37:09 +0000 UTC]

Wow, you need a life... You sound more and more like a troll every message you send. Just leave it off. What are you, fourteen? Jeez...

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kuro-kai08 [2011-07-19 23:08:24 +0000 UTC]

awesome

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to kuro-kai08 [2011-07-20 08:14:51 +0000 UTC]

thanks

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kuro-kai08 In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-07-20 19:18:06 +0000 UTC]

your welcome

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archangelwing123 [2011-07-08 18:36:54 +0000 UTC]

Kakashi looks like he's got his hands full ^_^

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to archangelwing123 [2011-07-09 03:26:58 +0000 UTC]

lol. Yep!

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archangelwing123 In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-07-09 03:37:11 +0000 UTC]

^_^.Do you like Bleach by any chance?

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to archangelwing123 [2011-07-09 04:07:00 +0000 UTC]

er.. i actually don't.

I'll be honest. I likED bleach when it seemed to be this story of a reluctant hero who accidentally steals a god's powers and has to do the deity's job. It seemed interesting. But... I don't anymore ^_^;;

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archangelwing123 In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-07-09 04:48:32 +0000 UTC]

Aww...sad face.

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TheCatAndTheFiddle [2011-07-03 16:49:13 +0000 UTC]

Kakashi looks about ready to collapse I saw this and thought 'Ah! The spawn! They're multiplying!' Poor Rin... Quadruplets... Poor Rin and Kakashi

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to TheCatAndTheFiddle [2011-07-04 05:23:29 +0000 UTC]

Hey, all things considered they're pretty lucky. Rin and Kakashi are getting into their thirties so it was pretty much now or never. They don't have any more after those boys either. Not for lack of trying lol

btw. your icon is hilarious!

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TheCatAndTheFiddle In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-07-04 18:03:02 +0000 UTC]

I suppose But having to look after all four must be hard I doubt that Kakashi will ever stopntrying
Awww, thanks!!

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to TheCatAndTheFiddle [2011-07-05 03:02:02 +0000 UTC]

Well, Kakashi handled Naruto and Sasuke. He should probably just use the Shadow Clone Jutsu if things get too out of hand. lol

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TheCatAndTheFiddle In reply to BluSilvrPaladin [2011-07-05 08:41:49 +0000 UTC]

yeah

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Rigoberto60 [2011-07-02 00:37:14 +0000 UTC]

thank you for crediting me.

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BluSilvrPaladin In reply to Rigoberto60 [2011-07-02 00:43:22 +0000 UTC]

Not a problem at all!

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