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segura2112 [2018-02-07 23:13:49 +0000 UTC]
Something Trump & co haven't figured out.
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BlueAxeman [2017-07-01 01:35:04 +0000 UTC]
In any case this cannot be in competition with original literature on da.
This is faved for the text. No one would fave this if he didn't like the text. If there a few who do this then they actually fave boopdiboop's taste.
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Kitsuchan59 In reply to BlueAxeman [2017-07-01 03:52:09 +0000 UTC]
What Mr. Wanker actually said was: "But I guess your friends are five years old and you feel wise among them by telling them tales you haven't written yourself."
Did you know you posted this three times? ^_^
I disagree with the idea of shifting the issues. Is it original art? Do you have be to be insulting to make a point? Your posts are polite and well reasoned. If you think this Violates DA policy, feel free to report it. I've done it.
The submission was entered under 'Visual and found poetry' Clearly found. And probably dragged kicking and screaming... How do you ask for permission from a guy who has been dead a couple of hundred years? The Manga artist, however...
What competition? Are there prizes I don't know about?
What makes you sure a person favoring this would be a 'he'?
My other question still stands... At what point does a work (of art, and I use that term loosely) stop being a rip off of another artist's work and become 'original'? Art historians use the term 'derivative'. Fair enough. But it doesn't answer my question.
Love the text in your gallery, by the way. You ought to try your hand at longer writings. >^_^<
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BlueAxeman In reply to Kitsuchan59 [2017-07-04 03:56:02 +0000 UTC]
Dead or alive you don't upload anyone's art, even reformed, on competition of original art.
This belongs to mixed media, as mixed media it's more original.
Yes, there is a "competition" here and the winner earns exposure.
When someone without certain point says "This is shit!" I find normal to answer back by mentioning his own shitty art. When someone comes with a point, and actually a point that many people support, you cannot answer this way. It's like saying that only the good-strong ones have the right of opinion.
It's much better if except the report you also inform someone of his mistake.
"What makes you sure a person favoring this would be a 'he'? "
This is the definition of shifting the target! What do you want everyone who speaks in general to say instead of "he" "he-she"? It's ridiculous!
The plan was to upload more and longer stuff, but unfortunately deviantart proved unworthy. I'm here to earn some exposure, but in the beginning I noticed that here there are too many bots arranging what it's going on the top and that it's silently applied a weird-paranoid algorithm that does not allow two-three of your deviations on the top in a short period of time and I'm not hear to do calculations. I understand that this algorithm it's needed so we don't see the same people again and again, but it has no brain! If someone wants to upload 5 per day he must be controlled, but if I upload 3 in one day even if the last month I had uploaded nothing only one of them will be exposed enough.
The algorithm is still here, but as soon as the bots were gone automatically appeared the problem of misplaced deviations, not like this, much more obvious-undoubted cases, and da does nothing. Instead of this they punished whoever complained by closing the forum threads and moving their art out popularity lists. My last poem
If you are not a good artistIf you are not a "good" artist,
but still an artist,
"failure" is liberating
for you are free to follow your dream
without having to satisfy others.
Good artists already know this and they don't care.
However it's useful to know, to find out
if your "failure's" source it's really your bad art,
your personality or a rotten system. which had eaned in 5 hours 60 favs was violently removed from all lists because in the description comments I was complaining for the situation.
No, if da it's not fixed I will not upload "better" stuff here. I'll stay in touch and I'll wait to see if things change.
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Kitsuchan59 In reply to BlueAxeman [2017-07-04 07:36:25 +0000 UTC]
For myself, I've never viewed as a contest. Some people follow me, and I follow some people. Some of the people I follow have over ten million hits, other have under a thousand, even after many years.
He is a male pronoun. Since you are talking about people in multiple and in general, it is grammatically correct to say 'they'
Sorry you feel upset about the way Deviant art does things. Go find another place to post your stuff, there are lots of them. ^_^ As for uploading multiple submissions in one day, even if the algorithm wasn't there, it's not the best idea. If you upload seven or eight things, people will generally not look at all of them, other than in thumbnail. I have an artist that I follow, he is talented and I absolutely adore his work. But he uploads twenty or thirty submissions at a time. Like most people, I only look at a few. So he doesn't get the following he deserves because his follows don't concentrate on any one image. But I don't think he really cares.
You will find a lot of things in life aren't 'worthy' They are just what they are...
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BlueAxeman In reply to Kitsuchan59 [2017-07-04 09:20:49 +0000 UTC]
A site with popular lists of 8/24 hours, 3 days, week, month and all time it's definition of competition!
Someone with two accounts is attacking me on one of my deviations saying I'm a thief,
comments.deviantart.com/1/6183…
while at the same time here says I have a nice gallery, without of course faving anything, just to seduce me. THEY has a strange idea about how someone should use "he". THEY also compares 3 deviations in a month with 8 or 30 per month. THEY wants me to get out of deviantart just to let THEM here alone do what THEY wants without anyone disturbing THEM.
Did I apply your grammar correctly?
I think it's wrong, even in your case that you are one person with two accounts using ridiculous tricks fight the obvious truth.
And these two accounts are:
Kitsuchan59
BoopDiBoop
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Eillon In reply to BlueAxeman [2017-07-05 18:46:18 +0000 UTC]
Blue I'm with you on this, and your last message made me laugh XD Kudos, have a great day!
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Kitsuchan59 In reply to InkWitchArts [2017-07-01 08:22:24 +0000 UTC]
Granted they need permission, legally and in my mind. But you have failed to answer at what point does a piece become an original work of art? If I take a photo of a beach sunset and put a figure in it, clearly that violates copyright. And it's just rude and dishonest. But what is I do a fantastic image of a city scape at night and add a starry sky with a moon, that takes up, say, 15 to 20 of the picture. Which is the artistic piece, the sky or the image I made? Is it a 'new' piece of art by adding the cityscape? Even if one uses stock images, it still begs the question. I'm not sure there is a set, iron clad answer.
For myself, I just remind people in private that stealing art is a. Illegal, b.Immoral, and c.Stifles ones own creativity. And if you can't credit the original source, don't use it. ^_^
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Jack-Lant In reply to InkWitchArts [2017-06-30 13:54:22 +0000 UTC]
Actually, he doesn't need permission. If the changes are transformative and/or informative, he has every right to use it.
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Kitsuchan59 In reply to InkWitchArts [2017-06-30 21:13:57 +0000 UTC]
Ha! What country are you from? Oh, wait, Canada. Here in the USA, money talks in both politics and the judicial system. A black guy hold up a store to feed his family, he gets twenty years of hard time. A rich corperate steals hundred of millions from people, and he never goes to prison. And in the case of one, he gets appointed to the presidential staff.
Copyright cases are like a plate of spaghetti. They end up being decided on a case by case basis. Take Andy Warhol's Campbell Soup series. It's considered original art, even though it's clearly a copy of a copyrighted image.
My policy: Get permission! It's not just the law, it's the right thing to do!
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InkWitchArts In reply to Jack-Lant [2017-06-30 18:36:45 +0000 UTC]
Actually, he does.
Taken from deviantART's rules:
''What is Copyright Infringement?
To simplify this question, copyright infringement occurs when you do certain things with a creative work which someone else produced without first getting the proper permission.
Some examples of copyright infringement (this is only a partial listing) can include:
- Placing someone else's photograph or creative work online without proper permission.
- Using a creative work commercially without permission.
- Adapting someone else's creative work found in one medium to another medium, such as making a book into a movie or a photograph into a painting.
- Modifying or editing a creative work without proper permission.
Some Cautions
- In most cases it does not matter how much of the material you have used, whether it's a single frame, a few moments of audio, a short clip of video or any other sampling it's still considered to be protected by copyright and you still require the owner's permission for use.
- It doesn't matter how you obtained the material, it's still considered copyrighted and you still need permission.
- It doesn't matter whether or not you've credited the proper owner, it's still considered copyrighted and you still need permission.
- It doesn't matter if you are not selling it or making a profit, it's still considered copyrighted and you still need permission.
- It doesn't matter if you can find other people using things without permission, it's still considered copyrighted and you still need permission.
- It doesn't matter if you've edited it a little bit or made a few alterations, if it's recognizable it's still considered copyrighted and you still need permission.
- Read licenses carefully to understand the type of permission they provide. For example, there are many versions of the Creative Commons - each giving different permissions.''
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Jack-Lant In reply to InkWitchArts [2017-06-30 20:00:45 +0000 UTC]
I understand deviantart's rules, but I'm referencing copyright law in general. The most that can happen here is that he gets a warning or gets kicked off the site.
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InkWitchArts In reply to Jack-Lant [2017-07-01 07:18:19 +0000 UTC]
It's not just deviantART... I merely took a quote. You just can't use someone's else work from the beginning without their proper permission. It's copyright infringement no matter what.
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Jack-Lant In reply to InkWitchArts [2017-07-01 16:59:05 +0000 UTC]
Of course then movie critics and other media samplers wouldn't be able to get their points across. The question "what's the point in viewing the original source if I can just view it here" that separates using someone's work to establish your own point, and flat out theft. The law even states that if the meaning and edits separate it from the original piece, and/or the whole thing wasn't used, you don't need permission. And this uploader also credited the original creator, so there's not much harm done.
Don't get me wrong. Asking for permission is still the right thing to do. But you can't treat it as a crime if there were precautions made in case that didn't happen. Just look at this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR35Ek…
Not only was credit given, the creator of the stream didn't even acknowledge the fact that his audio (which was half of the stream, and the moment was the biggest highlight) was used without his permission
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MushiXD [2017-06-30 05:36:31 +0000 UTC]
What a phenomenal quote.
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twistedtalestoo [2017-06-30 04:36:36 +0000 UTC]
Create ... and reality is new.
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ErnestoNoMuslini [2017-06-30 00:59:25 +0000 UTC]
It's easy to pick good oldies, this is a fact, a truth.
It's also a fact that if all people would think like you nothing new would be born today because the elder ones out of fear that someone younger could reach them they would take care that no one would listen to them.
This is what you are doing here.
This is not a place for what you are doing.
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NikiCoolR [2017-06-30 00:29:51 +0000 UTC]
And obviously you choose to live in the lie that what you are doing should be uploaded here.
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HealthyBoyWanker [2017-06-29 22:09:31 +0000 UTC]
And the truth is that this does not belong to deviantart.
This is a place for original art.
But I guess your friends are five years old and you feel wise among them by telling them tales you haven't written yourself.
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Kitsuchan59 In reply to HealthyBoyWanker [2017-06-30 06:42:11 +0000 UTC]
*Ahem* H.B. Wanker, BoopDiboop combined a quote with a piece of art work, both of which she credited in her comments. I would consider this to an original work of art. Derivative, it's true, but still making something that didn't exist before. So unless Sinkstuart objects to the use of the art work, I can't see why anyone would complain. Particularly someone whose whole gallery consists of very short text about masturbation.
It is possible to disagree about art, politics or religion with out sinking to snide name calling. To do otherwise is to admit to a great deal of immaturity and a lack of reasoning.
One last thing... You're a Wanker! >^_^<
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HealthyBoyWanker In reply to Kitsuchan59 [2017-07-11 03:26:39 +0000 UTC]
My short texts are originals.
THIS IS NOT AND IT SHOULDN'T BE PLACED AMONG ORIGINALS.
It's really hard to think something stupid, but it's too easy to change subject or cheat.
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Kitsuchan59 In reply to HealthyBoyWanker [2017-07-11 20:04:22 +0000 UTC]
Yup, they're original. I agree it should not be placed in the original category. But I don't view posting artwork as a competition. If people like it, fine.
Given the state of the world, it would seem that thinking up something stupid isn''t that hard.
I did not know the original source of the image when I made my first statement. Yup, it's theft, no matter that she stole it from someone else who stole it. Second hand theft.
If you view posting on DA as a competition for views, just add female breasts. >^_^< I'd post a funny image about that, but it might offend.
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HealthyBoyWanker In reply to Kitsuchan59 [2017-07-16 00:53:05 +0000 UTC]
If you agree on the main issue of this then what was the point of your first message?????
It's hard to make something stupid intentionally, with the awareness it's stupid, just for fun. It's hard to write a good joke1 Much harder than to write "dark poetry"
No matter the source of the picture this again does not belong to poetry.
The rules of da make it a competition as the first one takes too much exposure and it's not nice to steal from someone what he earned in a fair way. If you don't care about exposure why you upload stuff on the web keep it on your notebook and share it with your friends. 90% they will be more than something uploaded on da and it's not on the front. 90% of the poems uploaded on da have less than 20-30 views, not unique. However some have patience and when they finally have a chance comes a cheater to steal it. It's ridiculous!!!!
I want the max possible exposure for what I do, not for tits, I play fair and here we have an obvious unfair situation. It's so simple. Even if you don't agree for the exposure-competition thing, it's a matter of justice so I ask you again what matters more. What was the point of your first message? There is no reasoning! My comment was to the point, not insulting and has nothing to do with my funny words. You said you I'm not right, that you disagree and as an extension you insulted me. Now you say you agree, you don't apologize and you try to make it look as the issue is the competition thing.
She does not play fair, you don't play fair and it doesn't matter if it's a competition or not. My comment was for her action and now for your actions not anything else you are doing. We can be here for different-opposite reasons and play according to justice.
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BlueAxeman In reply to Kitsuchan59 [2017-07-01 01:28:09 +0000 UTC]
In any case this cannot be in competition with original literature on da.
This is faved for the text. No one would fave this if he didn't like the text. If there a few who do this then they actually fave boopdiboop's taste.
And this is what less or more healthyboywanker says
The rest you say it's just a shift of the real issue which just proves that he is right.
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Kitsuchan59 In reply to InkWitchArts [2017-06-30 21:06:15 +0000 UTC]
Yup, he was just snotty about it. YOUR argument, however, is well presented and succinct. ^_^
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BlueAxeman In reply to Kitsuchan59 [2017-07-01 01:28:27 +0000 UTC]
In any case this cannot be in competition with original literature on da.
This is faved for the text. No one would fave this if he didn't like the text. If there a few who do this then they actually fave boopdiboop's taste.
And this is what less or more healthyboywanker says
The rest you say it's just a shift of the real issue which just proves that he is right.
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Dioma In reply to Kitsuchan59 [2017-06-30 15:38:31 +0000 UTC]
This has nothing to with Sinkstuart because he/she is not the artist, that guy/girl just slapped some colour on manga drawn by Takehiko Inoue.
So this is basically an original manga piece + flat colour slapped on by Sinkstuart + a quote by the manga character. It's as far from "original" as it can be. None of them drew or wrote anything.
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Kitsuchan59 In reply to Dioma [2017-06-30 21:04:52 +0000 UTC]
Ah, Thank you. I did not know the original artwork was by Takehiko Inoue. He should have been credited, not Sinkstuart. I disagree with it being 'as far as original as it can be' given the amount of stuff I've seen that is outright STOLEN here on DA. But yours is a well reasoned and polite argument, and I see your point. You can report it to the moderators if you like. As I said, it is certainly derivative. For myself, unless an image is common license (free to use), I alway ask if the image is gone to be seen by anyone else. While it's a question of law, I think it's also a question of just plain decency. With Pinterest and all the other posting services on the net, it's easy to find an image and not know who the original artist is. That doesn't excuse art theft.
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Iridium191 [2017-06-29 21:25:22 +0000 UTC]
I agree 110%. We need this philosophy now more than ever. Especially given how postmodernism is ruining every academic discipline and even corrupting politics.
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segura2112 [2017-06-29 21:22:25 +0000 UTC]
Now if only we could get Trump to understand this... Thank You
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Der-Himmelstern [2017-06-29 17:58:22 +0000 UTC]
Musashi Miyamoto. A great warrior he was.
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HectorEDefendi [2017-06-29 17:13:59 +0000 UTC]
Awesome. "Love it"
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Fatefulbrawl [2017-06-29 16:54:45 +0000 UTC]
And the truth is mostly what you were never taught.
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