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From Ultimate Campaign: I am the most important thing in creation. Do what you want, but never get caught. Conscience is for angels. Evil for evil's sake. Vice is its own reward. The sinner enjoys his life. Evil is just a word. Others envy my freedom and life without conscience.
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"The Sadist"
The character who doesn't care who they have to serve or what they have to do, as long as they get to have "Fun" later, then they'll be one happy sociopath.
This can be either evil servants such as "The Sheriff of Nottingham" or cold blooded murderers like "Freddy Krueger".
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i wonder what chaotic evil's gonna look like..
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I'm in love with this series, I'm always so excited to see you post another one! ovo
This looks great, I really like the overall atmosphere, it definitely reads as neutral evil to me!
You really do an excellent job at portraying the alignments
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How is this neutral evil?
How would neutral evil even work?
Wouldn't neutral evil mean you are evil but aren't doing anything to anyone?
The moment you are doing evil to someone you aren't neutral any more. X-P
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The "neutral" part does not refer to the "evil" part - its aiming only towards the law/chaotic axis. In summery the neutral evil archetype is the ultimate opportunist, doing whatever is needed for his personal gain. If he has to play by the rules to get something he'll do it - without any real attachment to the rule; if he needs to break a rule to get it he'll do it without any reluctance, but with equally no real excitement.
Some citations about "neutral evil" from some of the core rule of the basic alignments:
A neutral evil villain does whatever she can get away with. She is out for herself, pure and simple. She sheds no tears for those she kills, whether for profit, sport, or convenience. She has no love of order and holds no illusion that following laws, traditions, or codes would make her any better or more noble. On the other hand, she doesn't have the restless nature or love of conflict that a chaotic evil villain has. Some neutral evil villains hold up evil as an ideal, committing evil for its own sake.
The neutral evil creature views law and chaos as unnecessary considerations, for pure evil is all-in-all. Either might be used, but both are disdained as foolish clutter useless in eventually bringing maximum evilness to the world. Similar to the neutral good alignment, that of neutral evil holds that neither groups nor individuals have great meaning. This ethos holds that seeking to promote weal for all actually brings woe to the truly deserving. Natural forces which are meant to cull out the weak and stupid are artificially suppressed by so-called good, and the fittest are wrongfully held back, so whatever means are expedient can be used by the powerful to gain and maintain their dominance, without concern for anything. ...
Neutral evil characters are primarily concerned with themselves and their own advancement. They have no particular objection to working with others or, for that matter, going it on their own. Their only interest is in getting ahead. If there is a quick and easy way to gain a profit, whether it be legal, questionable, or obviously illegal, they take advantage of it. Although neutral evil characters do not have the every-man-for-himself attitude of chaotic characters, they have no qualms about betraying their friends and companions for personal gain. They typically base their allegiance on power and money, which makes them quite receptive to bribes.
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just so i could understand could you give an example of a character from any anime or cartoon who is neutral evil, just so i could get the picture
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Neutral Evil characters are utterly without morals, with a few exceptions. Valuing only themselves, they will not engage in rampant destruction, like the chaotic evil, nor do they value law and order, like the lawful evil; instead, they do whatever it takes to get what they desire. So lets try a few examples:
Bobby Fett (Star Wars): an independent bounty hunter, working for anyone who can pay him (Crime Bosses/Sith etc.) without real connecting to their goals or structures
Scar, Jafar or Gaston (Lion King, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast) - complete self centered persons that do whatever they need to gain power - from playing the nice guy and follow/abuse rules to ignoring them or betraying people - up to outright violence
Gul'dan (Warcraft) a former pupil of the shaman Nerzul, who betrayed his people, their moral and histories and political structures just to grow more powerful - without any moral.
Mystique (X-Men): completly caring for her own goals/motivations - with evershifting alliances, always adepting to whatever situation she was in - reliable as long as necessary, but never to be trusted.
And sorry for answering so late
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one last question. what do you classify a character who did so many evil things "only killing" but has a speck of humanity/goodness hidden somewhere deep inside? it resurfaces rarely and has some honor code like fair fight.
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Hard to say because the important point would be his motivations/goals, not just the way he acts or the things he does (ok thats not entirely true, because killing people is always an indicator to a more evil than good personality - but even then motivation is key).
So why does he do "so many evil things"? Why does he kill so much? Just for personal gains or does he follow orders without caring/regret (could point to neutral evil)? Just to spread chaos and destruction, or for the fun of killing (could point to a chaotic evil personality)? Is he following a "special" moral code that "orders" him to kill - like an evil inquisitor who wants to impose his believe on the people (could point to a lawful evil character)?
You see the distinction can be tricky sometimes, but the motivation is key to answer such questions. So if you want to judge of qualify a character - always ask yourself what is his overall purpose? What is his moral compass? What is the foundation for his actions? Then you will come to an answer is more right than wrong.
And as characters are complicated and mulitidimensional beeing evil doesn't mean that a character could not have a spark of light in him (maybe he can kill hundreds of people with no remorse, but would spare innocents or children). He can have a fighting code of honor but still be a total evil scumbag otherwise. He can be a beloved father or honored leader and still only care for his own goals (maybe these are the goals - for example he could want to protect his beloved ones by killing everything that could possibly harm them, thereby going way over the top).
The best written characters have such complex personalities. Means to an end - this is were the distinction sets in
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well, this character is killing out of blind revenge and wrath. it thinks that humanity has wronged them (they are mostly right but not entirely). so this character kills without discrimination.
like for example this character kills a child because it believes that it is sparing the child of a world so broken and corrupt (or sparring the child to grow up being corrupt adult themselves). or if it kills someone who has terminal disease it does it to spare them a live of pain and suffering. its excuse for killing normal people is that "people die every day, it doesn't matter how they die".
this character has morals but it's misplaced (or twisted)
the only thing it doesn't kill are animals or plants. because it really believes only evil comes from humans. so plants and animals aren't capable of comprehending evil. or even robots, aliens, non-human creatures, it doesn't kill them for the same reason.
do you know if a character like this exists in media entertainment? either anime or live action?
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Does a character like that exists in media entertainment? Mon ami, no thought is new under the sky, and characters like the one you've described here does not only exist in media entertainment, they've been catalogued as an assortment of tropes and clichés forming a couple of character archetypes... I'd recommend you to check the TV-Tropes pages for, hmm, lessee, "Well-Intentioned Extremist", "Humans Are The Real Monsters", "Roaring Rampage of Revenge" aaand maybe "Misplaced Retribution" if I understood your character explanation correctly?
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yeah 
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Meh, as long as Yuuki Terumi exists, I don't think anyone would think something is wrong with you just 'cuz you've got a messed up character... Heck, I made a "character" in a RPG me and my friends are playing that's actually a meta-character... That's to say, the direction I'm going with when portraying them is that they are a collection of characters that are played by a really bad RPG player, the kind that cannot be bothered to actually play the role of their character/s but instead does stuff like referring to all other player characters by the IRL names of their players ('cuz they cannot be bothered to learn a lot of weird fantasy names) and drops references to the fact that they're just in it in order to gain EXP and LV... which is, of course, gained by killing others; they having surmised that the meaning of life, or at least the meaning of RPG characters' lives, is to kill... And their final ultimate goal is to, as the griefer they are, ruin the game for everyone else by becoming so powerful that their characters functionally cannot be defeated, and since they "cheat" by employing knowledge of stuff that we players are talking about, they cannot really be "sneaked up upon," either...
A couple of the guys I'm playing with have started to wonder if this messed up villain is my way of saying that I actually don't want to play any more RPG but do something else, instead, but the fact of the matter is that I just made this character this way because I wanted to make them a real villain to not just the other players' characters, but to the players themselves... Also because a couple of the players have indulged in similar stuff before, basically trying to "win" the RPG by breaking it to the extent that a reset is forced, (one of them getting scarily close to succeeding one time,) so why shouldn't I get to do the same and enjoy some payback while I'm at it? ^^
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oh haha.. glad i am not alone then
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As you describe the motivations I think the Character is more Lawful evil than neutral evil. Thats what I meant when I said the distinction lies in the motivation
"A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life. He plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion. He is comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but is willing to serve. He condemns others not according to their actions but according to race, religion, homeland, or social rank. He is loath to break laws or promises. This reluctance comes partly from his nature and partly because he depends on order to protect himself from those who oppose him on moral grounds. Some lawful evil villains have particular taboos, such as not killing in cold blood (but having underlings do it) or not letting children come to harm (if it can be helped). They imagine that these compunctions put them above unprincipled villains. Some lawful evil people and creatures commit themselves to evil with a zeal like that of a crusader committed to good. Beyond being willing to hurt others for their own ends, they take pleasure in spreading evil as an end unto itself. They may also see doing evil as part of a duty to an evil deity or master.
Your character acts are predominantly on a very strict and special code of conduct. Every of his kills goes according to this code, is justified by it and based on it - so this code is his prime motivation. He seems completely blinded by it, unable to see a human in an other way. He has no real personal goal that mostly motivates him. So this character is pointing far more to a lawful evil character type).
A neutral evil character has no real code of conduct (he is only driven by his goal - so he can ignore his code of if it suits him).
Lawful Evil characters are for example:
The Sith Order / Star Wars - a strict set of rules but no care for others
Thanos (Marvel): killing half of the universe to conclude a long planned strategy
Don Vito Corleone (The Godfather): sticks to omerta, sees great value in honor and respect, and rejects drug dealing out of principle, but it does not make his motives or methods anything other than evil
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wow.. i really thought my character was neutral evil cause like you said "A neutral evil character has no real code of conduct (he is only driven by his goal - so he can ignore his code of if it suits him)" and they are driven by revenge and hatred towards humanity.
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Yes as I said distinction can by tricky sometimes, as there are endless possibilities, nuances and - as it real life - lines can be blurred sometimes.
I hope that could show the difference between neutral and lawful evil good enough, but greatly condensed
Neutral Evil: I have a special goal (money, peace for my familiy) and I do whatever I must to get it (I don't allow myself to bound by a special code if that would hinder me in achiving my goal - the code does not define my actions, only my goal). The character would break any code without remorse if that would support his goal.
Lawful Evil: I follow a code that is evil (either because the code's goal is evil or the ways by which I implement my code) and the code itself is important to me. A lawful evil character would have mental issues (like guilt, self-hatred etc.) if he has to break his code - just because the code is so important to him
From your description your character is far more lawful than I thought at first, because his codex (and the worldview he has from it) is his main motivation, not the goal he want's to reach . I don't think he could break or ignore his codex without severe issues - because then all of his killings/actions would have been pointless. A neutral evil character would still have his goal intact and meaningful - thats why he can ignore the code without remorse
Just a sidenote: A character who would reject any form of code (in distinction to a neutral evil character - who would follow a code as long as it suits him) and lives just for fun, violence and the spreading of evil - would be chaotic evil - even more fun with distinctions
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do you know the captain from hellsing? he is a silent werewolf. is he a neutral evil?
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Sadly I don't know the character very much - so I can't really answer the question. But from what I read on the Hellsing wiki I don't think he is. It reads as if there is a "certain level of chivalry" and mostly acts under "orders/commands" or "seals" - so I doubt we have enough informations to qualify him as anything.
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Crowley from Supernatural is a good example, I think. Some people catagorize him as lawful evil, but he seems to only follow rules as long as they suit him. He will do anything to survive and hold on to power, working for or against any side, while always keeping an eye out for his own benefit.
Cartoon or anime, hmm...maybe Long Fang from Avatar: The Last Airbender?
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oh thanks 
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No worries. TV tropes has a pretty good breakdown of this alignment: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php… . They have a list of characters that meet this alignment, broken down by media type, including anime and manga.
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Thanks.>
There ís of course a clear flaw in the middle part of that thinking. :-P
EDIT: Or rather the flaw is in that part of the definition.
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As I said my quotes are only small citations from an online wiki about the alignment system (so they are of course no complete, well-rounded explanation - that's why they appear a little bit flawed / incomplete . You can easily find the more advanced, complete and longer definitions there or on numerous pages if you type "neutral evil" into google or somthing similar.
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