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Revenir-Ghoul In reply to CobraCorroso [2015-11-09 03:42:52 +0000 UTC]

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NinjaGremlinMaccy In reply to Revenir-Ghoul [2016-04-03 22:59:36 +0000 UTC]

Read the comment carefully, they were joking hense on "just your average dog-aboo"

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Revenir-Ghoul In reply to NinjaGremlinMaccy [2016-04-04 00:43:23 +0000 UTC]

I noticed.

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CobraCorroso In reply to Revenir-Ghoul [2015-11-10 01:28:29 +0000 UTC]

This is bait right...?

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Revenir-Ghoul In reply to CobraCorroso [2015-11-10 01:31:49 +0000 UTC]

Bait? Bait for what huh?

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BunnyPunk In reply to Chromatik-Fracture [2014-10-12 19:27:23 +0000 UTC]

And? Its not an unfair generalisation from my perspective. Were you aware that there are so many strays in the US that the number is impossible to calculate? There's an estimated 70 million stray cats but there are so many stray dogs that even the estimated number is not known.


Only 1 out of every 10 puppies born will ever get a permanent home.

Shelters are forced to euthanize 3 to 4 millions cats and dogs every year because they don't have the space or money to take in new strays. And on top of that they have to euthanize almost another 3 million cats and dogs because they can't find new homes. They just grow old, unwell and unloved until the shelters are forced to kill them.

There is a massive overpopulation of animals because owners refuse to get them fixed and let them, either intentionally or accidentally, reproduce. Only 10% of the strays that are lucky enough to even make it to a shelter are found to have already been spayed. 

And a major reason why animals become strays is because owners don't provide appropriate accomodation and identification for their pets such a collar with a label/tag or a microchip.

A few bad eggs is a major misconception, people take on animals that they are not prepared to be responsible for all the time. Abuse and neglect of animals is a widespread problem. Generally people don't neuter their pets, don't give them vaccinations, don't train them, don't groom them and don't pick up their waste or make sure they are free of parasites. Lungworm for instance is fatal to dogs and it passes through their feces, so someone who fails to regularly worm their dog and pick up after them, isn't only dirtying public spaces, they are putting other dogs at serious risk. Dog feces are also rife with bacteria which is known to cause blindness in children, so its a massive public health risk. Flea and tick infestations on puppies can cause anemia and spread diseases. If people loved and cared for their pets, respected their fellow citizens and public spaces then all the things I mentioned wouldn't exist. But they do and on a horrendous scale, people love ditching their responsibilities and this is the consequence.

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Chromatik-Fracture In reply to BunnyPunk [2014-10-18 04:10:00 +0000 UTC]

Dude, I'm not talking about strays or overpopulation AT ALL, just dog owners in general. Your stamps says, "I hate dog owners."

Simple. 

So basically you're saying you hate 40% of the U.S. population which is illogical. The environment you are in...forces you to generalize your experiences  of dogs onto random people who own dogs. In sum, your own bias gets in the way. 

Most dog owners are just regular people, there are a few that are bad eggs, and that's true, but you blanket an entire population as negative, which is a blatant assumption and uses your own emotions rather than looking at the group as a whole. Basically, just because YOU'VE had bad experiences with dog owners means nothing in comparison to every other dog owner that actually exists, which if anything, this stamp is raging about your own personal experiences which unfortunately generalizes an enormous amount of people you've had no personal contact with. 

It's a generalized statement, and if anything a very self-serving assumption.

AND your reply is going COMPLETELY off topic here. This is about dog owners, period. You didn't even directly reply to my statement, instead you went off on a tangent about overpopulation of pet-animals, when this stamp is about hating dog owning people (which are different topics).

However, just to humor you (despite not keeping on topic about hating dog owning people), as for overpopulation, I agree. Too many animals in general are being bred that cannot be sustained in our environment, which is why euthanization is necessary. 

But staying ON topic here, saying you hate dog owners is an over-arching statement. It includes any and all people that have ever owned dogs or currently own dogs, and well...damn. That's A LOT of people. It's like saying, "I hate people who've traveled outside of the country." Yeah, that's a A LOT of people to hate over using your own experiences when looking at the entire population.    

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BunnyPunk In reply to Chromatik-Fracture [2014-10-18 15:26:58 +0000 UTC]

My response wasn't off topic - animals end up neglected, abused, over-bred and on the streets because of PEOPLE ie their OWNERS, it's not aliens that are doing it. Yes, my stamp is based off of my experiences (what other experiences am I meant to base personal opinions on??) and I'm not going to deny that when I created this stamp I was very angry but I did explain why, but for you're benefit I'll re-iterate. Its specifically against dog owners because they have always been the people I catch or hear about mistreating their pets the most, being inconsiderate to other people and even breaking the law - failing to control your dog in a public space and failing to pick up it's mess is illegal where I live, punishable by either fines or prison time. I'm sick of switching on the news and hearing reports that another person (usually a baby or young kid) has been mauled or killed by a dog because their owner failed to have it temperament tested and failed to control it. But despite this I do also acknowledge that good owners exist. If you'd bothered to read my original statement properly you'd know that. Reading comprehension, work on it.

I can't account for every single individual case of good and bad dog/pet ownership in the world, but if you look at the facts and statistics (which I provided) they back up my general statement and my opinion. You are the one taking the "I hate dog owners" as a literal statement and a personal attack, plus failing to digest the facts and accept that other people can have their own positive or negative opinions, so sounds like you're the one having the emotional response here.

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Chromatik-Fracture In reply to BunnyPunk [2014-10-18 21:24:05 +0000 UTC]

I did read it. You're still using your OWN BIAS to speak about an entire population of people you have no personal contact with. You keep saying, "My experience, or I have heard..." but that's just more generalizing based on what YOU'VE SEEN. It's as illogical as you can get. Just because YOU'VE had bad experiences with dog owners doesn't mean that dog owners as a whole are just negative. It all comes down to you and your own bias. That's pretty much it. Hell, I've had bad experiences with dog owners but I'm not going to just blatantly dismiss THAT MANY PEOPLE. Because that's A LOT of people, I mean really? 40 percent of the U.S.? You could've just said, "I hate BAD dog owners." That's probably what your message means, but this stamp is accounting for every single person that has ever owned a dog or currently owns one. 

And I do accept negative opinions, I'm even part of anti-clubs that can support their arguments with stats or solid reasoning. But I'm against illogical assumptions like this one because you use your EMOTIONS rather than REASONING to decide a choice. This pretty much goes against all statistics. You can't choose a few several bad experiences to blanket a group of people that large. Life doesn't work that way. It's much like saying, "I hate people who have pets, or people that do yoga." Again, illogical reasoning on both parts, much like this stamp. And there are bad dog owners, but that's the key word, BAD dog owners, not just dog owners, but bad ones. Which is again, what you're trying to convey, but when I really look at it, it's basically hating on people you don't know, just because you've had a few bad experiences and most people would agree, which is why if you've noticed already, this stamp only has 15 favorites but over 700 views. 

And you DID go off on a tangent about overpopulation of animals when this stamp is at it's BASIS talking about hating dog owning people. One is about overpopulation of animals and resources, the other topic is about people who own dogs and how they act, they are (at best) only vaguely related. They would be more related if this stamp said, "I hate BAD dog owners". Then it would make sense, but you try to deflect from what the stamps says word for word rather than owning up to the fact that you're generalizing using your emotions. Which obviously you are. I'm just calling you out for what you wrote. If you are allowed to state such an assumption based on your emotions, than I am allowed to debunk your assumption using reasoning. 

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BunnyPunk In reply to Chromatik-Fracture [2014-10-24 20:17:14 +0000 UTC]

“I am not anti-dog, just anti-owners or rather irresponsible owners.” <--- I addressed this in the very first line and the reason it is against dog owners generally rather than just bad owners is because good owners are every bit as capable of being inconsiderate as bad ones. Bad owners can be abusive and irresponsible but so called good owners are also guilty of, for example, unleashing their dogs in the kid's play area – which has resulted in my friend's 5 year old kid developing a fear of dogs. They fail to clean up their dog's mess (public health hazard) and let their dogs harass and jump up on people then often get affronted when you tell them to “please keep your dog(s) under control” (this can be constituted as assault in some cases.) Good owners think that its okay to walk their dogs in the “no dogs allowed” cemetery where people are mourning for their loved ones, when there is a park with dog space literally right next to it.

How many articles of clothing and picnics that have been spoiled and acts of aggression I've had to deal with from “good” owners, I can't even tell any more, it's happened so many times and no doubt it will keep happening. So yeah, yet again, all these things are from my personal experience of owners both good and bad. I've never suggested this stamp was based on anything other than my experiences and feelings – it says at the top and bottom of the description – and yet again what else am I supposed to base my personal opinions on other than my own experiences? The things I see and hear in the media only compound my opinion about dog owners but these aren't purely based on what I feel they are verifiable facts, and the statistics I provided ARE about dog ownership in the US (some also apply to cat ownership too) so I fail to see how they aren't relevant.

When conducting studies researchers can't interview or observe everyone – they take a sample of the population and generalise the results over the entire population. Generalisation is not an inherently incorrect or bad thing. I am generalising based on what I have personally experienced and witnessed, plus things I have been told by others and that's backed up with figures about rates of dog abandonment, abuse and neglect – all of which are perpetrated by owners.

So where is the irrationality coming from? I've never said “ALL OWNERS WITHOUT EXCEPTION ARE BAD FOREVER!1!” You're the one making that assumption by constantly repeating “40 percent of the U.S.?” You're not comprehending my perspective at all. I've even referred to an example of someone I know who was a good owner (her dog has sadly passed), and she agrees that people don't do enough to control their dogs and respect other people in public. Which is why she always took great care to control her dog, not just around me but around me but around everyone, and especially near children. It's a simple but often ignored courtesy.

Does that piss me off? Yes. Am I allowed to feel pissed off? Yes. Is feeling an emotion or forming an opinion based on a repeated experience the same as being irrational? No. Can I post whatever the hell I want on my own profile? Yes. I couldn't give a crap about views or favs or anything, I posted this because I felt like it, y'know like everybody else on this site does. If you're a perfect dog owner and you live in a perfect place where everyone takes care of their dogs perfectly, then great. However I don't, and I can feel how I want to about it and say whatever I want about it, and if that doesn't sit with you you're free to leave, nobody's forcing you to comment or agree with me.

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Chromatik-Fracture In reply to BunnyPunk [2014-10-25 00:31:00 +0000 UTC]

The STAMP's words is the problem here. It says word for word, "I hate dog owners."

Even if your description describes bad dog owners, the stamp is the first thing people see, not your description, and it's POORLY WRITTEN on both parts, that and the fact that you generalize based on your own personal experiences. Me this, me that...I have had this or I have had that. Pretty outright prejudice on your part.  

I don't even own dogs myself and the stamp surprised me that somebody would make such a poorly-made message (both grammatical wise and reasoning wise in the description). What people see first is your stamp and it's big generalizing words all in red, not the message, and that's how I feel AFTER reading your over-emotional description about stereotyped dog owners.  

And you ARE allowed to say what you feel as freedom of expression, but that also means, as a publicly viewable stamp, then I HAVE THE RIGHT to disagree with you on the stamp as another form of expression from the audience's perspective.

You didn't ask for my pov, but you don't have to ask.

Comments allow anyone, anywhere, anytime, to disagree with you...and well the majority of comments do. I'm just the only one you seemed to reply to (for some reason while the rest you flag as spam). (-_-) 

I honestly just want you to own up to the fact that your stamp is poorly made grammatically and that you only meant BAD dog owners in the stamp itself. I would honestly stop bugging you if the stamp merely said, "I hate bad dog owners" WHICH IS WHAT I KNOW YOU MEAN, however at the same time (within your description there is a tinge of irrationality, and raw, unadulterated anger towards people that you are blanketing as annoying when most of them are just your friends, family-members, and people in life you know, basically everyday people).  

Hell, I would react the same way if I saw a stamp that said, "I hate women" or "I hate animals". Neither of these phrases give any reason within the stamp, and many times descriptions are overlooked (or are badly written like this one) which is why we're having this debate as we speak. Remember, we see the stamp first, description second, and in both cases here, each of these are illogical on behalf of your own 'feelings'.  <- Using your 'feelings' as an excuse is never how to reason on topics, debating never starts with 'I feel'...because it's too centralized on narrow opinions. 

It would make more sense if phrases like these gave an explanation like, "I hate abusive/violent women" or "I hate naturally hyper-aggressive animals".

It was that easy, and these reasons are valid, they pertain to something we can ALL relate to. That being said, either you can own up to this poorly made stamp being incorrect in what the stamps says and what you actually mean, or you can cling onto your grudging emotions, because that is the only thing you know and have experienced with dog owners as a whole.   

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BunnyPunk In reply to Chromatik-Fracture [2014-11-06 02:46:05 +0000 UTC]

Seriously, what is your beef? I don't know how many more ways I can simply explain this to you (not that I even owe you an explanation) but whatever. 

If it wasn't already clear, this stamp isn't about artistic intent and quality craftsmanship. Its a stamp, it took about 10 minutes to make, if that. And if 'quality' is your main concern here, you're clearly on the wrong site, have you seen half the crap that's uploaded here? Also if you haven't already noticed stamps are very limited for space. To make the message more specific to avoid what you see as 'prejudiced' generalisations, would mean making the text smaller and it was far too hard to read that way. This was the best looking out of the messages tried. The purpose of a stamp is to be short and to the point. You are the one taking "I hate dog owners" as a LITERAL statement. The majority of other people that have viewed and commented on this stamp do not. They have the capacity to understand that it's not 100% word-for-word literal and they either don't care, agree or disagree. If they disagree they at least seem to respect that this is my opinion then leave, which is fine by me. If you can't grasp this concept then that's your problem, not mine.

I've stated SEVERAL times now that, yes, this stamp came about due to my personal experiences with owners (of which I've had many) but it was specifically after what happened at my granddad's grave that prompted this. I'm a human being and I have emotions (wow, shocker!!) so tell me, am I supposed to feel anything other than pure anger upon seeing a man let his dogs defile a graveyard and see him even laugh about it while they do so? This dude seemed like a decent owner - his dogs looked healthy, happy and he was taking responsibility to exercise them. BUT it was in a totally inappropriate place and with blatant disrespect for others, both the living and dead. So for the last time - it's about owners in general, not just bad ones, because regardless of how they treat their dogs, all owners can be capable of being inconsiderate to other PEOPLE and mistreating public spaces. And they can (and do!) use their dogs to bother and intimidate other people too.

You know what really being irrational would be? Hating dog owners for no reason at all. I do have reasons, plenty of them, which I've explained clearly. This is why your reading comprehension fails. You say everyone (me included) is entitled to their own opinion yet you're adamant that I can't have this opinion. I'm not allowed to generalise factual evidence I come across, I'm not allowed to be emotional or use my own life to explain how I feel apparently. Which is ridiculous because if you think that having emotional responses revokes someone's ability to also form reasonable opinions then you're sorely mistaken. Logic and emotion are not irreconcilable concepts. I'm not arguing that people should agree with me or suggesting dog owners deserve to be tortured or anything horrible like that from this stamp. I don't meet someone with a dog, instantly assume that they are horrible to the core and refuse to interact with them like a normal person would. You are the one extrapolating that nonsense.

I made this years ago, obviously I'm the not the same person and I'm not angry about this anymore. I don't hate them but I do still generally dislike dog owners, mostly out in public, because they keep giving me reasons to do so. Therefore I haven't bothered removing or changing this stamp and I don't see why I should either. I was angry at the time and this was a quick way of getting it out of my system, simple as that. Once again, I've never said this stamp was based on anything but my own experiences and the stats/news about dog owners that I happen to come across. You also still haven't answered my query of how I'm supposed to base my personal opinions on anything but personal experience. Because you can't. That would mean you have to accept that this is how I feel, this is my experience and move on, and for some bizarre reason you can't seem to do that. 
 
Anyway if I'm so over-emotional and illogical then why bother commenting to begin with? Because you take exception to my grammar? You're trying to accuse me of being irrational, illogical and holding an emotionally charged grudge (ableism much, by the way) based on one old stamp, but then you come up with the most ridiculously petty reason to justify your own behaviour? Most of the disagreeable comments come from dog owners and that I can understand, but grammar? That's the best you can come up with? Rather than just letting it go, you'd rather just continually waste your time trying to argue semantics and try to portray me as some sort of hysterical harpy for some unfathomable reason. This stamp doesn't affect you, it doesn't even affect the dog owners for that matter, it is utterly inconsequential. There are genuine paedophiles, misogynists, racists, homophobes and neo-Nazi's that use this site to post malicious bigotry but my opinion about something as trivial as dog owners is what you take such great exception to? Wouldn't your 'logical' superhero powers be better spent going after real bigots? No, because that would actually be a decent thing to do. 

And with that being said, I am finished 'debating' with you, if that's what you want to call it. It was mildly amusing to start with but now it's just tedious. You're an obvious tryhard, you said it yourself you're only 'bugging' me now and attempting to force me to agree with you. Not going to happen, deal with it and stop bothering me.

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KittyloverAmethyst In reply to liiimbo [2014-10-05 12:09:16 +0000 UTC]

Shut up!

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BunnyPunk In reply to liiimbo [2014-09-12 17:16:54 +0000 UTC]

This has nothing to with cats at all, why would you even bring that up? This isn't even about being against dogs either, it's their inconsiderate owners that are the problem.

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liiimbo In reply to potatoegirl31 [2014-09-12 00:56:28 +0000 UTC]

Flagged as Spam

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KittyloverAmethyst In reply to liiimbo [2014-10-05 15:56:39 +0000 UTC]

You're retarded and full of dog shit!

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Jaguar24 In reply to Dessert-Dingo [2014-08-23 06:34:07 +0000 UTC]

It's sometimes just a dislike. not everyone is a fan or likes dogs. it's perfectly fine to like, love, dislike or hate dogs. Just as long as it doesn't affect other people, then it's fine.

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liiimbo In reply to KittyloverAmethyst [2014-09-12 00:57:21 +0000 UTC]

Flagged as Spam

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KittyloverAmethyst In reply to liiimbo [2014-10-05 12:08:05 +0000 UTC]

oh look, a dog turd!

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BunnyPunk In reply to Snowy1010 [2012-07-13 19:28:56 +0000 UTC]

Not if people were more responsible for their actions and pets to begin with. How many dogs and puppies end up abused and abandoned every year because their so called 'loving owners' got bored of them? They get a big shock when their tiny, cute puppy grows into a dog that requires training, grooming, more food, daily exercise and proper vet check-ups.

All dogs require this regardless of what breed they are but unfortunately there are lots of lazy/stupid people who aren't willing to give their pets the level of care and commitment they deserve. Shelters the world-over are full to capacity with un-wanted pets, with the vast majority having to be euthanised because nobody wants them. Then you have another problem with those who refuse to neuter their dogs because they think it's 'emasculating' or even 'cruel' to prevent them from breeding. And what about those who run puppy mills, track races and dog fighting rings? It's all about profit not the well-being of the animals. When the dogs are no longer of use they are disposed of. So you end up with lots of dogs, some very badly abused, and not enough people willing to rehabilitate them and offer good homes for life.

It's not the dogs fault it ends up a stray or in a shelter, it's the fault of BAD owners which is what this stamp is against.

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Snowy1010 In reply to BunnyPunk [2012-07-13 20:49:22 +0000 UTC]

Hm. I guess you're right.

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BunnyPunk In reply to IoNekta [2011-10-15 20:07:25 +0000 UTC]

Oh don't be sorry about ranting, I really appreciate your comment and I totally agree with you about the testing for ownership and licenses for breeding.

I think the root of the problem is people are just lazy and too motivated by money rather than the welfare of their pets. "Oh I didn't get my dog vaccinated/neutered because it's too expensive/I don't have the time." Well if that's the case why do you have a dog, idiot! I really don't understand, if it's expensive then why wouldn't you save up before you actually got your pet to ensure you could provide for it? And if your going to have a pet then you have to MAKE time because it's your responsibility as an owner. There should be stronger consequences to prevent fucking morons like that, shoveling up shit would be a good solution.

The backyard breeding really makes my blood boil too. It's not only restricted to puppies, it happens with many animals. I have a relative who tried to convince me to breed my lop rabbit because people will pay "fucking shitloads" for baby rabbits. Y'know never mind the stress and pain my poor bunny would have to go through and a possibly reducing her life span due to having litter, upon litter of babies. No, money is more important than that... God, I fucking hate that bitch, she should be banned for life from keeping animals. Many people should

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IoNekta In reply to BunnyPunk [2011-10-16 14:39:51 +0000 UTC]

Yes, the world could do with a little more sense of responsability and a lot less greed.

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BunnyPunk In reply to BaronOBeefDip [2011-08-05 21:14:46 +0000 UTC]

Ughhh so that's terrible!! My gran was like that too, she had a cat and a dog but just let the dog run wild. It was such a nasty, smelly thing. It terrorized the poor cat, wrecked the house and made visiting her a misery. She'd never do anything about it though, even after it bit me and my cousins and was aggressive to just about everybody who came in the house.

How can you chose a dog over your own family? I feel really bad for you and your cats, you shouldn't have to put up with that.

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BaronOBeefDip In reply to BunnyPunk [2011-08-05 21:35:54 +0000 UTC]

I know.

Even worse are people who spend millions of dollars on luxury dog houses for their pets. I'm sorry, but I don't think a dog needs indoor plumbing, a flatscreen TV, and hot-n-cold running water. It's a fucking dog! It doesn't care about those things. All it wants is food, shelter, and a loving family/pack.

And to think there are PEOPLE out there without homes who would be happy enough with ANY roof over their heads yet we'd rather build luxury homes for bloody dogs. My God, do we have our priorities fucked up.

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