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CrashBombah [2018-09-10 19:35:52 +0000 UTC]
The only vector I prefer is Vector the Crocodile and Vectorman.
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Legally-Vic [2018-07-16 05:57:53 +0000 UTC]
I had a feeling this was old when I saw photobucket be mentioned
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MJTheTattletailQueen [2018-06-28 20:41:55 +0000 UTC]
RIDDLE ME THIS,CUNT.
GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON THAT VECTOR TRACING IS BAD.
BECAUSE I SEE NO GOOD POINTS,OR ANY POINTS AT ALL,IN THIS POST.
NOTHING.NONE.NADA.
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ThunderSnowolf In reply to MJTheTattletailQueen [2018-07-24 03:11:58 +0000 UTC]
Because you're copying other people's art, which is illegal and is a form of art theft by law. And honestly, you're a bullying prick for calling this person a cunt. I really hate people like you who think that calling people names somehow makes you hip or cool. It makes you a shithead, just like defending art thieves does.
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C-Puff In reply to MJTheTattletailQueen [2018-06-28 21:11:00 +0000 UTC]
No really. I legit want to know how you stumbled on this journal!
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Tinselfire In reply to C-Puff [2018-07-04 13:42:28 +0000 UTC]
I wonder the same. This just turned up in my sidebar.
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MJTheTattletailQueen In reply to C-Puff [2018-06-28 21:58:16 +0000 UTC]
i was browsing my hypnosis stuff when i came across this
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C-Puff In reply to MJTheTattletailQueen [2018-06-28 22:18:44 +0000 UTC]
skaalkslds I have no idea how that even works or how that would happen???? X'DDD but thank you for telling me. omg.
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C-Puff In reply to MJTheTattletailQueen [2018-06-28 21:07:49 +0000 UTC]
*looks up from newspaper* ....I wrote this journal literally 10 years ago. Where the hell did you even find this?
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C-Puff In reply to vapr-wav [2019-01-02 14:45:35 +0000 UTC]
did... did you check the date on when I posted this journal? X'D
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vapr-wav In reply to C-Puff [2019-01-02 17:22:31 +0000 UTC]
yeah, its 2019. if it was still 2018 it would've been 10. it was made in 2008
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C-Puff In reply to vapr-wav [2019-01-03 14:58:28 +0000 UTC]
exactly X'D so I'm not sure why you'd bother to comment on a journal thing I made when I was.... -squints-.... 20 years old??? It was a long time ago.
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vapr-wav In reply to C-Puff [2019-01-03 18:04:35 +0000 UTC]
Dunno, just to be stupid
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locopumpkin [2015-06-21 22:13:48 +0000 UTC]
preach! <3
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MastaCheez [2012-02-07 23:35:10 +0000 UTC]
Logical conclusion of this rant:
Photography isn't art either unless you made everything which appears in your photo. Or else it is ART THEFT.
Hand drawn fan art is also not art unless your created the character. Or else it is ART THEFT.
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How do you draw the line between creation and tracing? Tracing uses previous art as a model. Drawing a piece of fan art uses previous art as a model, except from memory.
If you believe the recreation of something from memory is all it takes for something to be considered art, then I'm sorry, you should not even call yourself an artist.
"I am not referring to Vector tracings of photographs, or things sketched by hand first, or collaborations where one person drew the image and another person vectorized it."
You have not given even one good reason what makes vector tracing of anime different from any of these exceptions. The closest attempt at making that point was the following: 'Unless you have a written letter from the original artist who physically drew the original image (not the company who owns the character, the actually artist who drew that individual frame, official art, magazine picture) can it even come close to being validated as "art".' This can't be true because it would also mean that hand drawn fan art is not real art because the design has been stolen without permission. And that just makes you a total hypocrite.
Art is so much more than just the elitism of being able to get the structure and proportions of a figure correct. Its about the creation of something aesthetically pleasing. Trying to limit the definition of art just because you are upset that people have been enjoying art which wasn't quite as difficult to make as your own is just plain stupid.
(Disclosure: I'm not much of a visual artist myself, just an appreciator. But as an artist of other sorts, mostly music, it offends me that you're trying to control the definition of art to please your own emotions. Its still music when you sing someone else's song. Its still art when you draw someone else's character. Its still music when you sing along to the original track. Its still art when you trace the original drawing)
P.s. please respond to this message. Point by point. And don't rage quit either. Defend your original post and explain to me why you are still right despite my response, or it can be officially declared that your opinion is wrong. And yes an opinion can be wrong. If an opinion doesn't stand up to logic, its wrong.
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Joey12304 In reply to MastaCheez [2018-05-20 09:59:32 +0000 UTC]
As someone who makes handmade fanart saying that my art isn't art because its fan art is kinda insulting.
1. fanart if drawn by yourself and now traced from anything is still an art since they created from scratch to honor a person or something they enjoy.
2. Fanart isn't art theft in most situations fanart is encouraged. Take Vinesauce, for example, they have an entire site for fan art since they encourage people to make something for them if they wish to do so.
sure fanart has some copyright issues for the bigger things such as Disney but rarely fanart is taken down from copyright issues
and saying that photography isn't an art is also quite incorrect. The reason it's considered an art since most photography (that's actually nice looking ) requires hard work and planning to find out how they want to make the picture work. saying that it's not art if you don't make everything in the picture its art theft means that people who take pictures of things such as the sky or forests are art thefts. That makes no sense. You can't steal the sky since it wasn't made by anything.
As Arrancar said, "The "art" in photography is the set up and execution of a shot. It's in the vision of the photographer, not necessarily in the subject itself. If you gave 10 people cameras, and put them in the same room, with the same items, you'd get 10 different photos."
and as Arrancar also said "
The point the author's trying to make about art theft, is that copying something line for line, that someone else did should not be considered art. Not that it's not "original" enough.
It's like plagiarism. If a teacher tells their class to write a report on birds, and two people choose to do ducks, that's fine. But if both people turn in the exact same report on ducks, then that means one of them copied the other instead of doing it by themselves. They haven't learned anything from the writing process, they haven't done any work or research, they didn't even rephrase the piece. All they did was copy. The teacher would most likely give that person an F. "
Just like people who trace they are very unlikely to learn something from copying line from line since they do not know how to do their own work besides the things they might have added on. (if they did)
While I see where your coming from you should probably work on your argument before you label your conclusion as logical.
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Joey12304 In reply to Joey12304 [2018-05-20 10:03:43 +0000 UTC]
I do realize I'm really late to this party but I had to respond lol.
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arran5489 In reply to MastaCheez [2012-02-11 21:23:07 +0000 UTC]
Not to be mean or anything, but your "Logical conclusion" isn't very logical.
"Photography isn't art either unless you made everything which appears in your photo. Or else it is ART THEFT.
Hand drawn fan art is also not art unless your created the character. Or else it is ART THEFT."
The "art" in photography is the set up and execution of a shot. It's in the vision of the photographer, not necessarily in the subject itself. If you gave 10 people cameras, and put them in the same room, with the same items, you'd get 10 different photos.
The problem with non-traced fan art is more the copyright issues (seeing as it's FAN art, someone out there clearly owns the rights to this character) than art theft. But that's a really sketchy line, and an entirely different topic in and of itself.
The point the author's trying to make about art theft, is that copying something line for line, that someone else did should not be considered art. Not that it's not "original" enough.
It's like plagiarism. If a teacher tells their class to write a report on birds, and two people choose to do ducks, that's fine. But if both people turn in the exact same report on ducks, then that means one of them copied the other instead of doing it by themselves. They haven't learned anything from the writing process, they haven't done any work or research, they didn't even rephrase the piece. All they did was copy. The teacher would most likely give that person an F. (And probably detention on top of it.)
The same thing can be said of drawings. If two people show the exact same drawing (even if one is vectored) then that means one of them is just riding the coattails of the other. (Barring collabs, since that's a previously agreed upon distribution of work.) Gaining popularity and recognition for work they didn't do anything but trace.
So why should people who do that with pictures get praised, while people who do that with writing get negative reactions? Answer: they shouldn't. If they didn't do any work, then they don't deserve any praise, and they should be in just as much trouble as someone who plagiarized.
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GreySidewinder [2011-04-21 05:55:52 +0000 UTC]
This was made in 2008.
Currently, it is 2011.
We still have the same problem. Proof that the dA staff hasn't done anything about it in 3 years. Painful.
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iCatalyst [2010-07-09 04:21:43 +0000 UTC]
Vector traces are fine to make desktops and graphics for forums, websites, etc. Screenshots/scans/etc have bad quality most of the time, and it's more pleasing to the eye to have something clean like a vector.
However, anything traced should stay off of deviantART, seeing how that's not their actual drawing. It's not hard to go over a drawing with the pen tool- I would know, I've done it once. [it was a looong time ago, keep in mind.] I don't really see why deviants like vectors so much- especially that one boom a couple years ago. I remember one was always on the front page. The artists are saying "OH MAN, I WORKED [number] OF HOURS ON TRACING THIS, NOW PRAISE ME." It's not right. Especially with the comments that are like "this is so cute" or "I like the pose" rather then commenting on the lines, coloring or the main features of a vector. Commonly, people do not understand that the vector traces are TRACES and not drawn by who uploaded them. Because of this, it really makes people get credit they don't deserve, and to the people who know it's tracing- it makes them think tracing IS A-OK. AS LONG AS I DO IT WITH THE PEN TOOL.
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metzalx [2009-12-30 09:08:51 +0000 UTC]
Honestly, I don't understand why there is such a big objection to vector tracing. Many of the "vector tracers" do credit the original artist for the artwork. And we don't get any cash benefit from them. For those of you who are wondering why the hell people even do vector traces: One of the reasons is that some of us do make our own wallpapers, etc., and sometimes the scan is of too low a quality. To get rid of the low quality problem, really there is nothing we can do except to vector the image. People get credit for them because even vector tracing is a time and effort-consuming process, and if you're looking for a vector to add to your new wallpaper, there is really nothing that can make you happier than a good vector.
Just my own two cents.
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cotidians [2009-07-27 23:20:58 +0000 UTC]
ARE YOU EVER RIGHT!
I was looking for .Hack fan art that wasn't a trace on here once, and I could barely find any. Quite a bit of the traces weren't even all that good!
I know how you feel, it makes me irritated...
People who trace reading what I say, I'm not trying to be mean to anyone, but I want to see some art that's not a trace on here.
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Grifdaddy [2009-06-10 22:01:18 +0000 UTC]
Tracing is fine if your learning the lines and shapes of a particular artist or style.
However, once you feel comfortable, you really should go free hand. With time and practice, you start to develop your own unique style.
I traced as a child and that helped a lot with the basics. However, through a lot of work and practice, I grasped a style all my own. By the time I was in Jr. High, I was way beyond the tracing.
In short, you eventually need to fly on your own. Just don't take too long to jump out and try.
Cheers.
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SimpleCaitlin [2009-01-09 09:59:20 +0000 UTC]
I know this is pretty late.
Its nothing new, really. It's been going on for ever with Rotoscoping, and Mr. Warhol himself made millions off a simple portrait of Marilyn Monroe, and a soup can. Whether you're doing an Stock, Magazine clipping or a media still, it is still tracing, and if the essential act of tracing is not art then many vector works are not, by your definition, art.
It's nothing new, or overtly interesting, it is the best way to make money even -- just ask the apparel industry.
Superficial and easy on the eye, no real depth.
What is Art anyway?
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MisterISK [2008-12-18 17:55:49 +0000 UTC]
i totally agree with this
anddd straight up boring tracing doesn't take much skill at all i did a few when i was 12 (just for practice and didnt submit to dA)
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Snake-Charm [2008-12-14 16:21:32 +0000 UTC]
Like most people here, I agree with you.
Every one has said what I wanted to say... I don't think there's anything new I could add.
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xXTerraXx [2008-12-14 02:51:38 +0000 UTC]
I lol at the person that hated this. They're probably a tracer as well.
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Stormgale [2008-12-13 20:09:18 +0000 UTC]
Everyone's said what I wanted to say already.
I just find it funny that this was posted on my birthday.
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Malpropre [2008-12-12 20:12:46 +0000 UTC]
I can't do nothing but agree with you. Actually, before I joined deviantart I didn't know that people still trace other people's images. I thought that only kids do that. Oh how naive I was.
I mean... Who would listen to a singer who steals other artist's compositions and just adds different lyrics? Well personally I wouldn't.
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CGIgal [2008-12-07 05:01:08 +0000 UTC]
/sigh....Even more annoying than 's over-paints. =/
Thanks for posting this.
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colourscientist [2008-12-02 10:32:27 +0000 UTC]
I completely agree, especially since I can actually create vectors from scratch >:/ And many artists who create original vectors are getting overlooked, much like the anime fanartists you mentioned.
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Kuwaizair [2008-12-02 01:38:33 +0000 UTC]
but vamperialllia girl she is the pinnical of talent!!!!!!! I'm even banned on her page. lawl.
screw that. i need some vector tracings in my gallery so I'm worth a sniff.
It dosen't mater if i fight.
people don't like things that are scary and new
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FluoriteKaz [2008-11-29 00:53:52 +0000 UTC]
I don't really have a particularly strong opinion on this, but I'll admit that I don't really see vectoring anime as wrong. Vectoring can produce an image that is of even higher quality than the original and as you pointed out takes skill. But I suppose I have to admit that unless the artist uses it as part of larger piece then there is pretty much zero creativity in this type of art. Or "art". W/e.
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Thaeavoira [2008-11-19 22:36:53 +0000 UTC]
The only rejection probably came from the only person to have their comments turned off... lol
I think if you show them a link to the original picture that was vectored, it'll be removed; I just reported one of them and I'll see if it will be removed.
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SaoirseRanekaera [2008-11-03 19:21:44 +0000 UTC]
I agree 100% on every POV discussed in this, I may use specific pictures for art references but I wouldn't be caught dead stealing or tracing. Tracing irritates me.
As for imitating completely or vector tracing... I have no idea how to use flash or what a vector IS so I couldn't even really do that.
But what if someone took a screenshot, borrowed bits and pieces of it but deviated on the rest entirely? would it still be considered art theft? it's a question that just now popped into mine squashy giant head...
I have never (or will ever) trace or otherwise steal anything from anyone.
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slayterwesker [2008-10-31 17:26:50 +0000 UTC]
I agree completely with you, I use some as reference but never will I be caught tracing. If I want to get into college theres no way in hell I am doing something so ridiculous as that, plus my Art teacher would end up kicking my ass.
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Riku-X-Gaara [2008-10-13 12:42:52 +0000 UTC]
Personally, I really don't have a side on this situation. I think if someone wants to trace these so called "vectors", then it's their business. But the thing I do have a bit of a problem with is if they make that their signature way of art. Then they won't have any original art for people to see.
Like me for example, I *cough* have only made two edits, ONLY TWO, while everything else in my gallery is my own original fanart, nothin' else. But it really does upset me that people would make editing be their signature thing to do. Not only that, I find it as an excuse not to show their real talent, cuz I'm sure that some of these people have some real talent, but they are probably too afraid to show, I dunno.
But that's all I really have to say, if they want to edit and make fake vectors, then it's their business, and until they do get in trouble, then that's what they are gonna keep doing.
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