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This is a present for my friend Silvia's birthday
She is writing an on-going fanfiction featuring characters from HP (Snape, mostly
) and Ricardian characters, plus a wide range of fantastic creatures and such. The location is in Paradise, where all these characters meet after Snape's dead. Now that the Snape's cycle seems finished, the attention has turned mainly to Richard and his family, only that there is a little problem with the ghost of Henry VII... If you're lucky enough to understand Italian, you can read Silvia's extraordinary fic at her blog [link] Here you have Sir Thomas More, sitting, the First Lawyer of Heaven, and Servatius Rogerus, Grand Inquisitor of Heaven, standing.
(Servatius Rogerus (died 1540), for those who aren't familiar with him, is mainly remembered for having been a juvenile passion of Desiderius Erasmus of Rotterdam. He later became prior of the monastery of Steyn and rector of Marienpool.)
Yes, me and Silvia are geek enough to love preferably men dead for 500 years
For Servatius, the main reference is obviously "Hush" by Fernand Khnopff, Flemish as well: [link]
For Thomas More, I took various looks at Jeremy Northam's photos in The Tudors Online Photo Gallery [link]
For the Savonarola chair, I googled.
just the line art: [link]
detail of Servatius' head: [link]
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It was on a blog that doesn't exist anymore. Sorry!
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What a pity she hasn't published the story somewhere else. I can't find it on fanfiction . net
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Me too! And I still have to watch the second series Γ§_Γ§
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ur welcome thomas more's the man!
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It's really cool, but I think that for Sir Thomas More, you could use the Hans Holbein's paintings. [link] [link]
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Thanks for the suggestion, but in this case, considering the conversations that are on between me and my friend (the one who's writing the fic), I preferred to use Jeremy Northam as reference
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The texture is lovely.
The chair design is very unique.
I especially like the composition and the opposition of the characters with color, pose, and expression.
^__^
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Veramente bello, ottima la scelta della composizione, e mi piace moltissimo come usi gli acquerelli. Complimenti sul serio!
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Grazie assai! Sono felice che ti piaccia
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Interesting interpetation of HP. Lovely composition.
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Evviva, in paradiso ci sono le sedie Savonarola!
Servatius Γ¨ veramente notevole, ha quell'aria da angelo sterminatore che uno giustamente si aspetta da un grande inquisitore celeste
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Anche tu sei una fan delle sedie Savonarola? ^^
Servazio Γ¨ mister gelo & mistero. Tanto freddo fuori quanto arso dentro da sentimenti tumultuosi
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What a lovely watercolor! And the story sounds very interesting. I do wish my linguistic skills weren't quite so limited to English...
Speaking of Sir Thomas, have you seen my review of this perfectly dire novel purporting to be about him? [link] It was SO bad, and I do not recommend it... but I think you'd be amused by the review at least.
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OMG. Your review is hilarious indeed. I'll make sure that Silvia reads it, she'll have a laugh too.
I must confess that my readings of historical novels are limited to Ricardian stuff, and a couple of years ago I found in a used books store a novel called, appropriately, "Outrageous" by Christina Dodd. Here is the short summary I did at that time for the RIII Society forum:
It is set in the first years of Henry Tudor's kingdom and it's the story of how Marian, ex-lady companion to Elizabeth of York, and a knight called Griffith try to keep a child, Lionel, away from Tudor's clutches. Lionel is supposed to be Marian's son but in fact he's the son of Elizabeth of York and Richard III (!!!). Richard III had married Elizabeth in a private ceremony just a few days after Anne's death, had raped her and made her pregnant with his child. Then Elizabeth had given birth to Lionel after Bosworth and she had granted custody of him to Marian. Marian and Griffith try to plot against Henry Tudor to put Lionel on the English throne but at the end they reach a compromise with Henry, who'll let the child alive on condition that Lionel will never know that his father was the former king.In the whole book Richard is treated as a cruel, ruthless person capable even to rape the young ans sweet Elizabeth of York and force her into marriage. I've read a lot of things against Richard but I'd never saw him considered a raper of women till now. There will never be an end for the rubbish they can throw on him.
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I'm so glad you found the review amusing! What did Silvia think? 
That's weird, because most romance novels tend to be VERY pro-Ricardian (like Rebecca Brandewyne's Rose of Rapture- very silly but extremely Yorkist). I bet Christina Dodd has probably gotten a lot of flack for that over the years...
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I asked Silvia to do the More novena with me, but she says we cannot seriously pray a man we lurve
I think that a Ricardian sympathy in historical novel depends on if they're writing from a Yorkist, Lancastrian or Tudor perspective. There are indeed a lot of pro-Richard novels now, you're right, but more traditional views aren't completely erased. I remember reading a bit of The dragon and the Rose by Roberta Gellis, who writes totally from a Tudor perspective. Henry VII is her hero and Richard III is the villain who has been justly eliminated. [link]
That's not to say that anti-Richard novels are necessarily bad. Pro-Richard stuff can be terrible too
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Well, most romance novels I've seen over the past 15 years have been pro-Ricardian/Yorkist; I think Sharon Kay Penman has been very influential in that regard. Gellis' "Dragon and the Rose" was published in 1977, which was years before "Sunne in Splendour" was published (it was probably before the manuscript was stolen out of Penman's car). This things come in trends, and right now we've been in a pro-Yorkist trend for a while now, which is why I find Dodd's book so curious.
For the record, I'm not a particular fan of Penman's, and I think the Gary Stu portrayals of Richard, esp. in Sandra Worth's novels, are a bit nauseating. I do find the guy interesting though, and I'm glad the days where he was regularly portrayed as a humpbacked villain are long gone. (Have you ever read the Black Arrow by RL Stevenson? A humpbacked Evil!Richard makes a cameo appearance in it, and it's SO over the top... sheesh!)
For the record, my favorite Wars of the Roses story is "The Lancastrian Blush" by Tanith Lee. It's sort of an alchemical historical fantasy novella... I wish it was easier to find, I think I'm one of the few people who've read it!
LOL about the novena by the way.
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What you say about the dates of composition is really interesting, I hadn't thought about it yet.
I admit I have not read all of the Sunne in Splendour, I skipped the childhood chapters, all the parts with Francis Lovell, that I found boring, and other things here and there. What I really, really liked there is the depiction of Elizabeth of York, her continuous love for Richard even when she's married to Henry VII - I believe she's actually my favourite character there. Richard is almost too saintly, you're right, and Anne is weaker than I imagine her.
The Black Arrow, on the other hand, is one of my favourite portraits of Richard ever! I don't mind Stevenson follows the traditional view - he certainly knows how to write, and some phrases he puts in Richard's mouth are admirable even in a revisionist perspective. Especially the last chapter, when he answers to Alicia's remarks, he looks so proud and chivalric. Those are points that appeal me in a particular way. Stevenson's Richard is at the same time a ruthless schemer, a charismatic leader and a desperate loner - and I can lose my head for such a character!
Tanith Lee! I read a book of her when I was a little girl, and liked it a lot. She's not much published in Italy, though, and that's a pity. (Not that the other Ricardian stuff is - I've bought it all in England or on amazon).
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Yeah, I was pretty bored with Sunne... I only got a few chapters into it before giving it up. (I would love to hear about that guy who stole the manuscript... how weird! Who steals manuscripts?) I'm sorry to say I was pretty bored by "Arrow" too; I've tried to read several books by Stevenson and he doesn't do anything for me.
You should try to read more Tanith Lee, she's soooo good!
So, for your reading pleasure, here's one of her best novels ever, "The Silver Metal Lover." You can read it here: [link]
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Lovely work, even before the full veiw I recognized Thomas More ^^
And yea, I like the marble walls too!
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Ah, for Sir Thomas the hat, golden chain and black coat make it all
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I like it. Very theatrical.
I like the way you drew Servatius Rogerus. I will have to learn more about him.
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Unfortunately there's not much about him, on his own. But you can read Erasmus' letters to him, they're very romantic.
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Thomas More is indeed one of the foremost figures of the European Renaissance, and Servatius needs serious revaluation
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Impressing again! The marble effect it's great and figures are as well depicted as always. When I first read HP I thought it was about lovecraft... It would be very funny 
Hope I have time soon to end the Tudors, at least spaniard characters didn't use hispaoamerican accents and seem quite pleasant not like in Elisabeth.
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Unfortunately here in Italy I could see on tv only the first season of The Tudors, for the moment. Season 2 was broadcasted on a pay per view channel that I don't have.
Moreover, I saw The Tudors dubbed in Italian, so I didn't know at all the details about the way the Spanish characters talk in the original version. It's interesting to learn that in Elizabeth they were given an hispanoamerican accent, even if I can understand your detachment from it. It's quite annoying to hear in the movies italo-americans always speaking with a Sicilian accent.
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Well, spaniards with argentinian accents in Elisabeth's England was more surrealistic than annoying hehehe. But the partiality, worst than 50's films, finally exceed my tolerance, old ones were funny at least.
Tudors was interesting, I saw it on PC and I liked it. Henry, François and Carlos are well characterized and their plots and acts for dominate Europe and be the greatest one seems as stupid as in the history books. Still I can't deal with Thomas More hehehe.
Hope one day I would watch similar series about Ireland or Scotland history... Real Macbeth, Jacobite uprisings or 1798 would be amazing!
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The Tudors was interesting to watch, even if history was a bit romanticized by the writers.
I'd like to see a series about Italian history - it's so full of intrigues, wars, different royal houses. Not only about the Borgias (who seems to catalize much attention in fiction, even if I'm not much interested in them), but about older periods, the Middle Ages for example, or the XVII century.
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Tudors romantized? I need to check my idea of romance then...
Italian history is really interesting, film and series used to focus more on Renaissance than middle ages but still there's s lot of stuff! Decameron, Romeo and Juliet and the famous painter lives... You're lucky, films and series about different Renaissances in Spain are fewer and not so good *sniff*
I watched much more about Italy than Spain in this kind of things.
Anyway, every story about middle ages or XVII century in Italy will be interesting and also about French, Spanish and even Deutsch history... at the end Italy was like Flanders at this time, the centre point of Europe politics and plots... and also arts and stories like now with the famous books and films about Afghanistan.
In other words.. I like it too hehehe.
PS: Borgias weren't fromValencia?
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Romanticized not in the sense that it's romantic, but in the sense that they've changed a lot of historical details
Right, Borgias were Spanish! Cesare's elder brother was called Juan, if I'm not mistaken.
I remember watching at least one historical movie about Spanish queen Juana la loca, this one [link]
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Ups! He hecho caso omiso por completo esta parte de la serie y tambiΓ©n la historia ^ ^ U, pero siempre he odiado este tipo de manipulaciones que no son necesarias.
SΓ, hay unas pocas pelΓculas histΓ³ricas sobre EspaΓ±a. Algunos acerca de ColΓ³n, las guerras en Flandes como Alastriste, muchos tribunal parcelas y ahora hay una pelΓcula sobre "El Greco" en los cines. Sin embargo, todavΓa no parece suficiente para mΓ = P
Y pelΓculas sobre Italia son por lo general mejor.
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Ah, yes! I saw Viggo Mortensen's Alatriste too, last year, and around 1992 they made a couple of movies about the discovery of America. And Milos Forman directed Goya's Ghost (which in Italian is named "L'ultimo inquisitore") but I haven't watched it yet.
I liked Alatriste, though I've never read the books and I don't know if it's a faithful version or not.
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Alatriste is too much faithful, unfortunately the director merged four books in the film, predictably the movie thread was overwritten and hard. It's a pity because the photography and the atmosphere is fabulous. Only the battle of Roccroi in the end failed. The whole scene is shameful cause the lack of extras and the attempt to ignore the facts in an epic ending.
If you're interested are some other films about Spanish Middle-age and Renaissance. Many are available in internet and some of them in Italian... but prepare yourself for a bizarre experience
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Coooool! That is so awesome. No, seriously, you drew art of More and Servatius. I'm a big Erasmus fan, and not just because my university is named after him
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Ah yes, I noticed in your lj that you're Dutch
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This is beautiful!! Maybe it's because the watercolour technique makes it more outstanding, but I love the marble effect of the walls!
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Thank you! I used a very thin paper, because I had to print the line art on it, so I could use only a few layers of colour.
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Ottime scelte cromatiche e molto belle le pose dei personaggi!
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Grazie! Ti piacciono davvero? Li ho disegnati separatamente e poi riuniti col photoshop, quindi le proporzioni le ho aggiustate digitalmente invece che con le mie solite matite.
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