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CasArtss In reply to MrRacoon [2018-05-14 11:57:46 +0000 UTC]

You'd be surprised about how much art thieves would use and upload as their own,
less known sketches can easily be something they would take I'm afraid
If they were to take one of my more finished pieces with my own characters in it, they'd earlier be caught, but not with sketches like these.

If it's used as a reference however I don't mind it at all, all my pieces are open to be used as a drawing reference or art study

Best thing is always to just put the watermark on everything you make,
however I don't do that since deviantarts watermark kinda mess up many of my drawings since it's place in the middle, often just use my own (this piece is old tho) :/

And thank you haha, glad you like it. You can find tons of anatomy books and drawings all over.
I personally buy them from Outland. Normal bookstores can also sell anatomy books for drawing.
Drawing from those books are good anatomy and drawing practice

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MrRacoon In reply to CasArtss [2018-05-14 12:05:02 +0000 UTC]

Well if you mind or not using them as reference is like super legal. Good luck suing someone for that.

Never understood art robbery like that. But mostly because when I get paid I have to be able to stand IP to those qualities. But I guess most people don't create shit to become a professional. Many just want attention. Actually had people who could easily draw but didn't know or cared about the difference of an HB and an 2B pencil. Just wanted attention. In real life no less.

But yeah get it socially art theft pays. Professional it is just a bullet to you foot.

But yeah no idea that social thing was that big. Especially since what do those thieves know? It is not that hard removing the watermark!.

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CasArtss In reply to MrRacoon [2018-05-14 12:43:06 +0000 UTC]

(I might have misunderstood something) but using a picture or drawing as a reference is very different than actually taking the drawing itself and post it as your own.
If you only use it as a reference, you are still drawing it yourself and learning from it. And even tho I allow people to use my art as a reference,
it doesn't mean they shouldn't credit me for the origional. References for art are used ALL the time, so I don't really mind it.

Art robbers sure want attention, which is why they steal the art they can't make themselves.
Pretty sure many do it because they are unsure of their own skill and are to lazy to actually do something about it.

Many artists however doesn't draw for the attention, but rather because they like it.
You don't really become professional for the money or attention in many art businesses I'd say.
Other jobs would work much better and would be easier to get there.

I myself draw and take commissions because I love to do it.
And I personally don't really care if I use 2H or 2B pencil, or even a pen. It's what I draw that matters, not the medium I use.
Or that's what I think at least

If you think about art theft that way tho, why work when you can just steal the money?
Why not become a professional thief instead of working your ass off everyday?

Some like to take the easy way out instead of working your way up. It's all about moral and how you treat others I'd say.
And pretty sure artists are more confident than art thieves.. I mean, they actually worked themselves up to the skill level they got, while art thieves gave up.

On this drawing in particular it is rather easy to remove the watermark, but you can still not download the full quality or get the origional.
And trust me, the pieces posted on deviantart loose quality when being posted. More blurry, less clear colours, darker etc. Originals are much cleaner and nicer.
Pretty sure that to make sure that the owner can control who gets the origional and who doesn't.

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MrRacoon In reply to CasArtss [2018-05-14 12:51:42 +0000 UTC]

Well it is common practice to write somewhere your reference sources in a larger project but unusual to credit them in the final piece. I mean seriously I used your picture as one of many references to 3d Modell a foot that even got layers of making it more abstract and stylised. So it would be a mess to credit 100 people every time.

With the pencil I meant it more symbolic.

Also yeah I think stealing for money in that cheap way is pretty hard in profesional work environment. Never saw it but I am still young. Some shady people might do it. If a costumer pays you 50,000 and you pay your employees still like 5,000 for their work I say you can't steal. Mostly because of the requirements anyway.

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CasArtss In reply to MrRacoon [2018-05-14 13:18:03 +0000 UTC]

Yea I know, I don't expect people to credit me unless they use the general idea in my pieces or mostly copy my piece.
Small sketches like these are no big deal at all, these are draw after references too after all

And I too don't really give credit unless I've taken a mayor part of a photo or similar and used it in my piece, like the pose for example.
If I stylise it or change it a lot, it becomes something different and don't need credit since it doesn't overstep the copyright if you get what I mean

haha true, most important thing over all is to have fun and do what you love if you ask me
Some care much more about fame then others. I know many who want the attention, and I don't mind that,
I just hope they don't destroy the fun in doing what they love just so they can get famous...

I'd imagine an art thief would get a lot of problems, taking commissions and such like many artists do..
Also they often show the progress too. If I'm to do an commissions I often have to show my progress to discuss it with my commissioner.
Some also give the commissioner the origional file, like the PSD file. Or that's what I've experienced at least

And that examples you gave, is sadly not always the case... I actually just learned about this not too long ago through a documentary/series.
Often the factories in developing countries (not sure if they are called that in english..) that makes cloths for big companies for example, can be corrupted. 
The owners take a HUGE amount of the money they get and only give their employees barely enough to eat. So sad and they often get away with it... :/

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MrRacoon In reply to CasArtss [2018-05-14 14:04:29 +0000 UTC]

Yeah wasn't talking about those things. More like here in Europe.

Well if you wanted to use images more directly it is more likely that you pay for the rights to use them to not have to credit them. But yeah deviant Art is not the side for that stuff.

But yeah yeah yeah agree. Thanks for the conversation. Was very informativ.

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CasArtss In reply to MrRacoon [2018-05-14 15:44:27 +0000 UTC]

Ah yeah, well nice to talk to you too

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