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I guess that spell from Storybook games DOES work on anything! :3 Still requires caution, though.Sonic, Tails, Blaze and Silver (c) SEGA.
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It's a funny comic though.
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Oh boy Blaze looks pretty mad. Silver better use his powers to run since he is a slow character.
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Slow? He can f***ing outfly Sonic's Boost! And he can teleport too!
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With his powers but him without it he slow. I do wonder how does the spell work exactly does it summon golems or does summon Guardians
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Silver? Slow? Rivals 2 would like to have a talk with you.
As for the spell... I think it works for everyone: Ifrit Golems or blue hedgehog...
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Thanks. ^^ I was just playing too much Storybooks lately. Trying to get the Knights' final swords.
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You have. Usually when discussing the franchise I don't even consider the Storybooks.Β
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Which why most people were surprised when Secret Rings was deemed canon.
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Speaking of which... There's something that made me think there are TWO canons in the game series: handheld line and console line.
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Yeah. The one concerning Sonic Runners. Here's something from its trivia:Β
- ThoughΒ Sonic Runners'Β canonicity appears to be dubious at best due to Sonic Team being the developers, it appears to specifically follow the canon of the handheld versions of multi-platformΒ SonicΒ games. This is evident several times, such as as Mother Wisp being mentioned; Sonic and Tails only encountering her in the DS version ofΒ Sonic Colors. However, the game is equally evident in being non-canon due to some companions being characters from certain games that endings imply Sonic will never meet again, such as Chip, and Sonic not knowing who Merlina is, despite his encounter with her inΒ Sonic and the Black Knight.
What if all post-'06 handheld games (except Rush games) form another canon line? Storybooks are clearly tied to console canon (through Generations), but Runners and Storybooks are clearly not in the same canon. '06, being a huge time flux, could equally happen in both, but the chance of it being tied to handheld games timeline is higher since most '06 references come from there (Rivals 2, Colors DS). Actually, that would explain a lot of things.Β
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Explain. I may write a case study on it.
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Okay, I'll try:
All the games before '06 seem to form one solid timeline, but in Modern Era there's too much inconsistency between the main timeline and some handheld games (Rivals is one good example). That could be explained by this: the console titles (Unleashed, Storybooks, Colors Wii and Generations) continue the main canon estabilished earlier in Dreamcast Era, while the handheld games (Rivals, Colors DS, Chronicles and Runners) create a parallel timeline, in which the preceding events are the same as in the main one, but the rest is slightly or completely different. These are some facts I can try to give you as a proof:
- Each version of Colors has event that are not seen in the other version (Mother Wisp and cameos for DS and the malfunctioning Wisp Translator in Wii);
- Eggman Nega has different origins in Rush and Rivals with no reasonable explanation, so this theory would explain why there are 2 Negas;
- Runners are canon to handhelds, but not canon to console titles. That means the two are not in the same canon.
That being said, there're some remarks I need to make:
-Rush started before '06 and was tied to the main timeline, so I need to say (just in case), that both Rush titles are in the main canon;
-I'm a bit unsure about '06, but I prefer to think that it's tied to handhelds timeline as the references most come from there and '06 doesn't seem to fully connect with the main timeline (mostly because of Rush).
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Rush Blaze vs. '06 Blaze. Need I remind I can solve most inconsistencies between Rush Adventure and the '06-Rush solution as opposed to Rush-'06?Β
Interesting. Don't really have the time right now. I'll see if I can do something next weekend.
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Yeah, but I never really insisted on this. Just found another option to resolve those inconsistenses. This would also explain how she has some of her memories in Colors, but not in Rush. Though it wasn't the core point anyway, just an additional remark. So never mind.
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I am writing that theory though.
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BTW, if you're interested, I've checked the article about Blaze on Sonic Wiki. Seems we both were wrong to a certain degree. That is if we are to believe Takashi Iizuka's words.
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That is...don't keep me waiting on stuff like that.
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According to his words, Blaze is a native of Sol Dimension, which disproves your point about her originating from the future. But he also said that Rush and '06 Blaze are one and the same character, which contradicts my theory about them being two different versions of each other. That being said, I don't even know who or what to believe anymore.
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I'm not going to believe Iizuka on that one, since I don't see how they could link up then.
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Well, I have an idea about how to apply it to your theory.
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What, Blaze being a Sol Dimesion native?
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Yes. What if after the events of Rush (or Rush Adventure) Blaze attampted a dimensional jump with Sol Emeralds, but it backfired and sent her to Silver's future, causing her to lose part of her memories? Then we have all the '06 events and stuff... That would also explain how:
a) Blaze in '06 seems to be more sociable than she was in Rush;
b) She's aware of the Chaos Emeralds' abilities to transform thoughts into power.
Then the same would happen again with Iblis' sealing warping her back and the time reset would completely erase her memories of '06.Β
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I would put her in '06 before Rush, to explain her antisociality as leftovers from her traumatic feelings about her sacrifice. It could work.
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Doesn't go well with the memory loss point, then. She wouldn't be sad about losing someone if she didn't remember losing someone in the first place. Just like it was with Shadow's amnesia: he wasn't depressed about the incidents on the ARK (like he usually is) during ShTH because he didn't remember it all in that game. To put it simply, your memories can't haunt you if you don't have them.
But if we put Blaze in Rush first, then ithat's what we have this:
-Her royal origin would perfectly explain how she managed to seal Iblis;
-The Emeralds' emotion-based power was explained to her only in Rush. She couldn't learn that in the future because this fact is only known to Sonic and friends so far;
-Her being more sociable than in Rush also makes sense this way;
-Also explains how Blaze seemed to actually know Sonic or at least having an idea they've seen before.
In other words, first she appears in Rush, then accidentaly gets sent to '06 and then back. After all, 1 Sol Emerald was enough to send her to Sweet Mountain in Colors DS, so I guess all 7 would be enough for a 200-year temporal jump. I don't say your theory is wrong, just saying. And in case you ask about Nega's knowing both Blaze and Silver, that would already be about my "double canon" theory.
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In Colors DS, Blaze has similar feelings of recognition but she doesn't know why. Β And I can explain all those points too if Rush comes first. As we saw from the '06 ending, strong emotions survived the reset.Β
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Well, to sum up, we have this:Β instead of having 1 space-time jump at the end of Silver's story, we actually got 2 of them. Also, another thing I recalled: when in Generations Blaze said she'd never expect to be in Crisis City again, to me it sounded like she only visited it before instead of being actually born there.
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To me that sounded more like as if she had a bit of a scare in there. It can be interpreten in several ways really. Besides, in Colors DS the jump didn't erase her memory at all.
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It could be because:
a) She would already fully adapt to the Sol Emeralds' power by that time;
b) It was performed with a single Emerald there and didn't involve time manipulation, so it wouldn't be nearly enough to cause such an overload.
After all, we don't know what exactly caused Shadow's amnesia, remember? What if it was the result of power overload from using the 7 Chaos Emeralds plus Inhibitor Rings for a large-scale Chaos Control? It was his first time doing that, after all.
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I think it was the fall more than anything. Since he still remembers rught after the Chaos Control.
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One could counter with these arguments:
- We never see Shadow actually falling. In X it's not even shown and in SA2 he actually disappears during the fall. In ShTH Eggman says he was saved by one of the robots. I assume that robot caught him in the atmosphere. Metal Sonic, for instance, is perfectly capable of doing that. So how do we know that Shadow hit the Earth?
- Sonic suffered the same fall in Sonic X Season 3 (I know it's not canon, but I can still compare it to Shadow's fall in Adventure 2 adaptation), being not only exhausted, but actually injured. But when he woke up, he was just fine. And he's less durable, so how does that work?
- In the middle of Season 3 of X Eggman mentions that all the power Shadow's used for his Super Transformation could affect his memories, possibly bringing them back. (This point is more for the principle than the canonoity.) That could mean such power could also cause one to lose them.
As for why Shadow still remembers right after Chaos Control... I guess the effect was delayed, with the amnesia only occuring after he lost consciousness. Which is similar to how you described Blaze's memory loss occuring only after she re-sealed Iblis (which, BTW, could also be a result of exceeding power from both Iblis and the Emeralds).Β
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-The Archies.
-It still took him the better part of a week to wake up. And he landed in the water.
-A lot of things can affect your memory. In fact, remembering in itself changes the memory.
And Blaze losing her memory in my theory was not due to Iblis, it was because right after that the '06 reset happened in the main universe. Can you read it again, because that point was a fairly big deal.
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-Since what time are Archie canon to games? If they are, then the possibility of Blaze using Chaos Control in general is excluded.
-How do you know where Shadow landed if landed at all?
-I remember that. That's why I said "could be". Just a suggestion. Plus this way the chance of her remembering something is actually higher. Just saying. ^^
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-Sending out a robot to get him doesn't necessarily mean catching him in the air. Besides, at terminal velocity it would destroy any robots.
-We both assume a lot with this.
-Still not convinced.
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-Some of Eggman's robots survived worse (Metal Sonic).
-Which is why no one Β can use it as a solid proof.
-To me it doesn't make sense how the memories are affected by a time reset, but the events are not, so I'm not fully convinced either. Guess we're even. :3
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-Survived? You mean to say he was rebuilt.
-True that. What are we even doing making sense of video game logic?
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-Not only. Being able to withstand hits from supersonic hedgehogs and reach Mach 5 speeds would be enough. Plus he's not the only one. Gemerl was thrown back to Earth from outer space by Super Sonic and Eggman, but when Tails found him, he didn't seem to take extra damage from the fall. So no need to underestimate those tin grins. XD
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Well, I'm more in the mood for an updated '06 defense than for a case study anyway,
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Well, you're a bit too convinced in your theory, so I'm not really in the mood to correct it with my arguments right now. We both know that game is one heck of a mess.Β
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By mess, you mean to indicate story-wise, I presume. To be fair, the Blaze issue remains unresolved, but some of its plot elements are more believeable than SA2's. What's more of an asspull: a launch-ready space shuttle in a pyramid base of Eggman that already has a teleporter to the ARK, or time travel by two Chaos Controls simultaneously, which we know affects time?
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I'd say both. After all, I told you my issue with double Chaos Control. The same was supposed to happen in SA2 as well. As the wiki says, two Chaos Controls performed simultaneously in close range would cancle each other and cause a time rift instead. And no, the "it depends on what dimension Chaos Control is applied to" reason doesn't work here since time rifts also involved space manipiulation, so it doesn't matter how it was meant to be used.Β
As for the shuttle... What if Eggman built it before the teleporter? Simple as that.
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No, not that simple. We only see the pyramid base in that game, so it must've been temporary. And the teleporter itself is an asspull, because Eggman had no reason to board the ARK until he freed Shadow. And at any rate, we know of only four double Chaos Controls, and the only one where the time travel didn't apply involved Super forms. That could have something to do with it as well. And essentially, SA2 and '06 use the same asspull, the way of learning Chaos Control. '06 at least follows precedent and gives us a slight bit of a reason on why just knowing Chaos Control exists can allow you to perform it.
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Who said the teleporter was meant only to go to the ARK? In Chronicles we see a similar device used to warp to Angel Island, so it's safe to assume Eggman always keeps one just in case.
Speaking about Chaos and stuff... I've always wondered how Sonic got his speed. Is there any official info?
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Which makes the freaking space shuttle useless to begin with.
I don't know. I think the Fleetway Comics tried to explain with an accident, which I reused for my Death Egg Saga prologue. Otherwise, I don't think so.
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