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Right now, I don't feel like discussing conformations.Watch and read it:
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If you want to talk with me about it, feel free, but it's likely that I'll reply later.
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Changed the message. I think it look better now.
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Dog shows are not pointless. They are noxious. A lot.
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Please tell me you hate cats though.
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But terriers are fucking cool
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How many dog shows have you been to, and how many breeders to you know?
I happen to have participated in several, and many of my friends breed and show dogs. It's very inconsiderate to assume that all people that breed or show dogs are bad, and it's also very inconsiderate to say that what they do is pointless. Football, golf, and many other sports are pointless, yet many people enjoy them and many people get rich off of being good at them.
People who are involved in dog shows don't get rich. They do it because they love it, and no-one can say that dog shows are wrong or pointless, just like no-one can say that anime or digital art is pointless.
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Unfortunately, our countries are very very different and the level of conformation here is very low as the level of living in general.
I visited a few shows. I knew one breeder very close. Not much, but that's all I could find around.
I don't say that all people are so. I find competitions more fun, that's all. I think that getting a dog only for shows is wasting of dog and its breed potential as dogs are very active and may require something more than living from show to show as many breeders proved to me.
I tried to show a yorkie of neighbour, but she wasn't allowed to be judged because she had a cut. I don't know is it possible for her to stay active (walk the way she likes, i.e. getting very muddy everyday) and has all that long hair that judges consider to be standard.
The point of this stamp is that shows now are not just fun. I think that shows could be either
a) useful
b) fun
Useful is for getting higher quality dogs but in matters of right anatomy and traits. For example, some pekes and bulldogs can't give birth themselves, their short muzzles also make troubles for proper breathing -- for me, it's not something what breeders should strive for.
Fun is just for fun. You hang out with your friends and breeders and look at others' dogs and discuss further competitions and your dogs' condition.
You say that breeders don't get rich. Of course shows won't make them rich (shows' fees are expensive) but the offspring will (not rich but it will give some extra income). Once I asked one breeder of Min. Schnauzers which costed 178$, do their pups have pedigree? They said, "No, but we can obtain them as the parents are pedigree dogs."
"So, how many the pups will cost with pedigree?", I asked. They answered - 680$. Now what, obtaining pedigree would cost so much? And why don't they obtain it in any way?
I understand that taking care of pups and showing parents cost a lot - but why should it affect the litter price if shows don't affect the quality? Why should I care if the parents of pup are grand champs? It does not guarantee that pup will be one in future.
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I understand what you're saying, but that doesn't give you the right to make negative statements about dog shows. It only upsets people like me who want to defend their hobbies and passions.
But I will repeat that breeders do not get rich. It costs a lot of money to care for breeding dogs and their puppies - you must factor in food, shots, dewormer, vet bills for checking the parents for hip dysplasia, thyroid problems, heart exam, ect., stud fees, general supplies like crates, brushes, bowls, ect. You also need to invest lots of time in caring for a pregnant bitch, which includes staying up all night when she goes into labor. I have actually read books and articles on the matter, when I was considering going into a career of dog breeding, and I discovered that you rarely make money (which was the reason I decided against it).
By the way, although $600 is a lot of money, I actually paid $900 for my AKC-reg. Shetland Sheepdog. Why? Well, I got recommendations for the particular kennel, and the sire has titles in obedience, agility, and conformation. Right now he is the #22 lifetime AKC obedience dog. Now I will definitely say that this does not make my dog a potential record-breaking world champion (she is spayed and so I will not show or breed her). She is by no means perfect, but she has been utterly amazing, and we have bonded very close. She is my first dog and I learned to do junior showmanship, obedience, rally, and agility with her, in both AKC and 4-H. I have no regret about paying $900 to get my gorgeous sheltie shipped from Florida to Oregon.
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I just got to say, you are exactly right, I applaud you for standing up for others who share this passion. I do not personally participate in any dog shows or sports myself, but I love attending them and photographing the dogs, I also love meeting with the owners & handlers - honestly, dog people are often times the nicest people. It is disappointing to see such narrow minded opinions and negative statements being made by those who are not even familiar with the dog show world, like the maker of this stamp. Anyway, it was nice to see an intelligent and factual comment made in defense for those who partake in responsible breeding, dog shows and other competitions.
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Thank you very much, that was a really nice comment. 
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but what if one is a dalmatian?? 
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DOG SHOWS: because you are obviously compensating for something you CAN'T show off.
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Wow, apparently purebreed standards in the UK are insanely different from the practices I've grown up with.
Here (Canada) one isn't allowed to put a purebred dog up for breeding without being able to provide records of its genetic health, proving that not only is the animal physically sound, but genetically as well. I've shown and dealt with purebreeds for a few years now, and in all the shows I've been to, I have yet to see an unhealthy animal, a dog in pain, even from these 'problem breeds' noted for their disorders, such as bulldogs and pekineses. The worst I've seen is ill tempered dogs, but then again, a dogs personality isn't its health, and can easily be manipulated by how it is raised/handled.
We don't cull animals with unwanted traits. The Boxer breeder in town doesn't cull her white boxers, nor does she severely inbreed her dogs, even with linebreeding, she always errs on the side of caution, making sure there are extra generations in between an animal before even considering breeding them. Any unwanted, not 'show quality' animal she produces she sells as pet quality, neutered and spayed, so that they don't pass on those unwanted traits(in boxers, it'd be bad ears, any genetic or non hereditary health problems, being white, not being correct to the breed standard ((which, by the way, most breed standards I've read for the CKC and AKC advocate for animals in working condition, and lots of judges choose animals who look like the dogs are capable of the work their breed was designed for, rather then dainty pretty dogs))) and aren't placed into a puppy mill home.
I'm not meaning to come across as rude, I'm just saying that the standards of one kennel club (The UKC as listed on the wiki) are drastically different from the standards of others. Perhaps its a cultural difference, or something else, but not all pure bred dogs, dog breeders, and dog show handlers or dog shows for that matter are bad. Many breeders have worked to improve unsound breeds, I know a few who try to breed bulldogs with better noses, and others who breed boxers who look like they are proper guard dogs, with plenty of bone and muscle, rather then these dainty little things I've seen before prancing about the streets. Lots dog shows have other classes as well, such as agility and other things other then conformation-- and one has to keep in mind that for these larger working dogs who do things such as schutzhund, need to be correct to their breed in order to be effective. A german shepherd who isn't built to the standard, who is dainty, or has the wrong temperament, isn't going to be a good guard dog, but a properly bred animal from a respectable breeder who does know what their doing, is going to turn out much better suited for its job.
lol Sorry for going off on my side tangent. I think I got sidetracked thinking about dogs XD I hope I didn't offend anyone, I was just trying to state that not everything has to have a negative spin on it.
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LOVOVVVVVEEEEEEEEE
i did dog shows for 3+ years, i started on my own and had to work from nothing up.
they are crap.
so many horrible experiences, i just love this stamp.
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This is why I am happy my dog was bred from a family of working dogs. He is pretty old now (13), but he still rocks. [link]
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That looks like a fucking awesome dog.
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Well I don't really think so... Most of the dogs in dog shows actually have a pretty good life, and a good breeder will try to breed dogs for ideal looks and health. Plus the dogs seem to enjoy being a part of the show.
Agility, obedience, disc, terrier, etc. are also really fun for the dogs and owners most of the time. And it doesn't require careful breeding, so anyone can train their dog and join in!
But some of the stuff in that article is really disturbing... If a breeder is able to cull a puppy or dog just because it doesn't match up well enough with breed standards, they shouldn't be breeding dogs.
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I agree with this. Dog shows promote nothing but pointless breeding, and the dogs that are not "good enough" to make it to the shows are often treated horribly
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I agree. I pity the dogs in them. I am human and I cannot even do those courses!
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i see. i know a realistic fiction called Flawed Dogs, it tells about just how pointless dog shows and pedigrees are.
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Oh, it might be interesting, thanks!
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you can buy it at any bookstore.
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