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Boo01 [2019-01-19 22:50:03 +0000 UTC]
I'VE WON
I'VE WON
THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT I'VE WON
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KpuonyerNo2 [2016-07-05 23:20:05 +0000 UTC]
This is the best thing right now
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Pacman552 [2016-07-05 08:14:46 +0000 UTC]
UK R.I.P
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Pacman552 In reply to Pacman552 [2016-12-23 14:01:18 +0000 UTC]
Independence Scotland and unification of Ireland
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HimitsuUK [2016-06-27 23:31:02 +0000 UTC]
Let's see if the EU actually wants Scotland..
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mcsproot In reply to HimitsuUK [2016-06-30 01:58:06 +0000 UTC]
Spain doesn't, but they have independence/separatist issues of their own.
Merkel is apparently very open to the idea. Nicola Sturgeon has been in talks with the EU President about ways Scotland can remain a part of the EU, either as a part of the UK or as an independent nation state.
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iamli3 [2016-06-27 20:42:12 +0000 UTC]
this is all very confusing lol....
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mcsproot In reply to iamli3 [2016-06-30 02:13:13 +0000 UTC]
I'll try and give you a quick lesson on this.
The EU is a political alliance of several European nation states. While the individual nations are able to run their own affairs, there are some laws that are blanket across the EU (such as working time directive), as well as the Freedom of Movement, which allows any citizen of an EU country to live and work in any other EU nation.
In 2014, Scotland (a semi-nation and part of the UK) held a referendum on if they should be independent from the UK. The result was 55% to stay in the UK and 45% to become independent, with a turnout of around 80% IIRC. Thus, Scotland remained a part of the UK. March 2016 would have been Scottish Independence Day if the voters had opted for independence.
The UK is made up of four 'nations', England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Gibraltar is a 'UK Overseas Territory' which is also a part of Europe. They abide by British laws and elect MPs to the Westminster Parliament. Due to them being ruled from London, and being a part of Europe, they also got to vote in the EU referendum.
In 2015, David Cameron, then (and current) Prime Minister and leader of the Conservative Party, said that if he were elected in the elections that year, he would hold a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU. I feel this was a ploy to try and stop losing voters to UKIP (UK Independence Party, whose main goal was for the UK to leave the EU). The Conservative party won a majority government, and so the promised referendum was planned.
On June 23rd 2016, votes were cast in the referendum on UK membership of the EU. With a turnout of 70%, the result was 52% to leave the EU and 48% to remain in the EU. As for the different states/regions in the UK, England voted heavily to leave, Wales voted partially to leave, Northern Ireland voted partially to stay, Scotland voted quite convincingly to stay (62% to remain, 38% to leave with a 68% turnout), Gibralter voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU (96% to remain, 4% to leave).
Now, during the 2014 Scottish Independence Referendum campaign, the group campaigning for Scotland to remain in the UK was called Better Together. They made many promises to Scotland if they stayed (or threat of things they would lose if they left, depending on your point of view). I could go on and on about this, but to get to the point, one of these promises was that Scotland would love their EU membership (as a part of the UK being in the EU) if they left the UK.
Now bringing the results of both referendums, the Scottish people voted to stay in the UK, and to stay in the EU. Considering the many broken promises of Better Together, including 'only by staying in the UK can you stay in the EU', there's quite the upset, and many feel it is time to re-ask the question, does Scotland want to remain a part of the UK? At the very least, we must ask ourselves, do we value Scotland as a part of the UK more, or a part of the EU more? We seemingly can't have both anymore.
Hopefully that clears it up a bit for you?
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iamli3 In reply to mcsproot [2016-06-30 03:38:10 +0000 UTC]
uh actually , the confusing part was what's being expressed in this image that relates to that , i kind of already knew all of that information XD ....
well really scottland should just leave the uk , all of all these ordeals are about big government not doing what the people want so they chose something else , having more local control is the only solution , but just be sure to tell the scottish people that even if they do leave the uk they're not gonna have a good time in the eu since that nwo pet project is falling apart and dying now...
gonna have to tell the people they're going to need to stand on their own 2 feet as there are no more big gov masters around to beg on their knees from......
ok here's some info i don't know , what are scottland's benefits from the eu anyways since they want it so bad? ....
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mcsproot In reply to iamli3 [2016-06-30 20:14:17 +0000 UTC]
It isn't so much the benefits of staying in as the problems of leaving.
If the UK wants to trade with the EU, they will need to abide by most EU rules. So basically, they still have to do 90% of what they're currently doing (EU related), but they have zero input on the decisions. Switzerland and Norway have to follow EU rules including the freedom of movement, so why bother leaving if you have to keep the rules, but aren't able to give your opinion on them?
And the UK is unlikely to refuse to trade with the EU as 45% of all export/imports in the UK are to the EU.
So, basically, Leaving isn't worth the hassle.
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iamli3 In reply to mcsproot [2016-06-30 22:27:59 +0000 UTC]
niegle has already spoken on the eu parliament floor that he wants a sensible trade deal with the eu , as stopping all trade will only hurt both parties in the matter
but now that they have left most of the other major players in the world have already extended 'front row' invites for setting up new trade deals with the uk , now they the uk no longer has to put up with the hassle of complying with the eu....
so again if scootland reaaaally wants to go back to the eu they can i guess , but it'll be their funeral....
...none of this helps explain the image to me though >.< .....
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mcsproot In reply to iamli3 [2016-07-01 00:52:56 +0000 UTC]
I'm assuming you saw the previous image.
The girl with the Saltire and tartan clothing represents Scotland, the one with the blue and stars cloths is the EU.
Basically saying Scotland likes what the EU does, and is sad that big bad Brexit is taking away fun kinky times.
And you're right, stopping sensible trade will hurt both parties. But my point is, since we'll have to accept EU immigration as part of the trade deal, one of the key points of the Leave campaign (reducing immigration) is null and void. There's pretty much no way Leaving the EU will reduce immigration. It'll probably INCREASE immigration since France will no longer need to keep the sea border with England secure from illegal immigrants.
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iamli3 In reply to mcsproot [2016-07-01 22:21:32 +0000 UTC]
>Basically saying Scotland likes what the EU does, and is sad that big bad Brexit is taking away fun kinky times.
ah! there's the explanation , ok , and yse i saw the previous image...
and what's stopping the uk from negotiating being able to have free movement of labor but still stop unskilled people from immigrating to the country?....
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mcsproot In reply to iamli3 [2016-07-02 00:11:32 +0000 UTC]
That's not what free movement of labour means. Free movement means everyone. There is no 'everyone but not the crap people' in this. On the flip side, this means that someone unskilled from the UK can live and work a minimum wage job in any EU country. Though since those who speak English as a first language tend to not have a second language, there are many fewer out-goings than incomings.
They can TRY, but I doubt it will work. The UK has, in my opinion, acted like a whiny little brat when it comes to the EU. It always seems like we were asking for a special exemption to some rule, or can we not do this but just for us etc. The UK is currently at a disadvantage when it comes to any negotiations.
Not to mention, both major political parties (Labour and Conservative) are having leadership struggles. The current favorite to become the next leader of the governing Conservative Party is Theresa May, though she is pro-Remain, so perhaps not the best person to begin exit negotiations.
When it comes to immigration from outside the EU, the UK has free reign in how to handle this. There were mentions (prior to Brexit being a thing) of there being a rule that if you were from outside the EU and didn't earn at least £36,000 ($US48,000) per year after 6 years in the country, you would be deported. Which, quite frankly, is crazy. For example, hospital nurses earn nowhere near that, and the number of nurses who are not from within the EU is enough that if they were all deported, it would have a serious impact on national healthcare.
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iamli3 In reply to mcsproot [2016-07-03 18:50:36 +0000 UTC]
>The UK is currently at a disadvantage when it comes to any negotiations.
that's not what nigle thinks , he told the eu that they need the uk more than the uk needs the eu , citing things like gross trade and how defendant german car manufacturing is on them.......
>When it comes to immigration
it's immigration from inside the eu that's a problem , because the invading barbarians can just go to places like germany first where they're given eu passports and then they can go get into nicer places like the uk to destroy as well
like always there's political tricks abound in everything.....
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renjiabari35 [2016-06-27 18:10:31 +0000 UTC]
i'm British and this is funny. also the brexit vote was just an advisory. them asking what the country wants (country of idiots) the mps will make the final decision in the next few months hopefully there smart enough to stay. Also can't tell you how much i like the armbinder and collar combo superb work.
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mcsproot In reply to renjiabari35 [2016-06-30 01:56:44 +0000 UTC]
If you thought riots in 2011 were bad, if Westminster declines to begin leaving the EU, 2011 will look like a bit of a rough and tumble.
Besides, the EU has already told us (UK/England) to sling our hook and don't dare come back. Quite a few leaders seem open to the idea of Scotland/Northern Ireland potentially joining/staying a part of the EU, perhaps even as part of the UK.
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