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church and simmons descibe the meta.notied teh word "asses" is incompleate in the first line, don't complain please
and now noiced alltime, suposed 2 be all the time.
*sigh* i guess it was an off day, stupid user error
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Maine? no, he's like, 15 of her. Trust me, i've fought with him.
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Sucks to be you, man.
Oh, yeah. You might want to run from my sister, FreelancerArizona. She's friggin' OBSESSED with you.
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havent seen or heard of her.
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You'd better hope so!
Seriously.
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Picture a Justin BeaverBeiber fangirl, but with you.
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And he still needed Wash's help to take her down! BARELY!
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thing is meta is all brute force. tex can plan things out.
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Yeah, she sure planned out the beat-down she gave York, Maine and Wyoming
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I seriously doubt Tex could ever kill Meta/Maine. Sure, she might be able to trap him somewhere and escape him, but she would never be able to kill him, Meta could kill Tex.
Also, Tex isn't exactly human, from my memory, she's a by-product of the Alpha A.I.
Meta has been through so much that calling him invinsible is an understatement.
Tex gets shot in the arm once, and she's down on the ground for like five minutes.
I would say that all in all, even if it takes forever, Meta would beat Tex, simply due to endurance.
You also have to remember, Maine/Meta killed more than three freelancers, including Tex.
I think the past Maine wasn't as good as the new maine, he lacked fighting skills and endurance, although he greatly increased those afte the season 9 story.
I would say that maine, by the end of season 9, surely would of been the top freelancer or the second best freelancer, due to him taking most of them out.
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If it came down to endurance, Tex would still win because her body is mechanical, and can go so much longer than any biological body, no matter how much of a juggernaut it is. When it comes to man vs machine, the fleshy one always looses.
Also, for the record, Tex DID get shot in the arm, and still took down 3 top-ranked freelancers in Season 9, and that was before she got all her crazy enhancements. Maine improved when he became the Meta, but so has Tex.
The only reason he won was A) he got in a lucky shot, and B) because he had Wash's help. In fact, the only reason that he got in that lucky shot was because Tex was still recovering from a direct hit she took from WASH. Tex was wiping the floor with the guy before Wash interfered.
Still, I'm not saying Maine/Meta is a whimp, because the fight would definitely be close, but Tex simply has more skill, where Meta's just brute force.
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I dissagree. Maine would just keep coming until he got her, regardless of how many times she hits him down. I also dissagree with the fleshy losing against the machine part. There has been countless films as such where the flesh beats the metal. She got shot in the arm when she's metalic, and was down for five minutes. Meta got stabbed in the chest by an energy sword when he's fleshy, and didn't even flinch...See my point?
Yes, in season nine Maine wasn't as strong as he was in the later story plots, no doubt there, Tex kicked his ass in that time.
Maine didn't actualy just improve as the Meta, he improved as himself aswell. Remember, Maine didn't have the A.Is or was able to use armour abilities when he killed Tex.
He didn't get a lucky shot, he knew exactly that if he shot the ground that it would play out like that, which is why he done it; Shot the ground at her feet. Remember, he was just as much in the damage range of the brte shot blast as Tex was, which is clear demonstration that Maine's endurance is and always would be Tex's downfall. Are you going to tell me that while Tex had an assault rifle, battle rifle, explosions (twice in the fight), turrets, and a knife, all used directly on Maine, that Maine using one brute shot round (that he would of been hit just as much as Tex) was classed as a "lucky shot"? I doubt that.
Actually, if you watch carefully, Tex gets back on her feet and is in fighting ability after she gets up from the shot Wash gives her.
It's Maine's endurance that is what would always be Tex's downfall.
She sliced him up, stabbed him in the back (Which would be fatal to any normal person and Tex) and yet he still killed her.
You have to remember, Maine was blown up at the start of the fight by Tex's explotions and had all that equipment...If anyone had more backup power, it's Tex.
Tex only needs to be hit once, and that's it, she's done. Her speed is the only thing that keeps her alive. Maine's ultimate endurance is what keeps him alive. The difference is, if Tex is hit, she's almost certain to be killed by the first hit or is defenseless against the next killing blow, where as Maine can get hit, and it doesn't matter, he keeps coming. He doesn't need to dodge a hit, he can take the hit.
I'm not saying Tex is crappy, I'm not even saying that she wouldn't most likely do the best moves, I'm saying ultimatly, she will lose due to her not having much to any endurance.
Wash merely shortened the fight length. Yes, Tex would make it very VERY hard for Maine to land a hit, but it would be harder, to near impossible, for Tex to land a hit on Maine that would actually hurt him.
Maine has been shot in the throat nine times, stabbed by an energy sword through the chest, sliced in the stomach, stabbed in the back and the chest, shot by a turret, shot by shotguns, and shot by a sniper (Which is how Tex died before, being shot by a sniper) and quite a few more.
It is debatable who would win, but the show makes it obvious that Maine has been able to take everything thrown at him, where as Tex can't.
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Dude, I'm not gonna argue with most of this response, since it needs a freakin hardcover and a letter to the editor page.
The one thing I will argue with is that Tex is not easy to kill. the only reason she went down with one hit from the Meta and the sniper is because both were headshots, which is always an instant kill. Granted, Meta gets points for getting shot a dozen freakin times in the neck, but there's nothing to suggest Tex couldn't survive just as much. She's taken plenty of punishment and gotten right back up, she's just better at avoiding it. Meta may be an immovable object, but Tex is the complete package.
Also, when I was talking about man vs machine, I was mainly talking about if it came down to a battle of endurance, which, let's face it, even John Conor can't run forever. Though, to his credit, Meta is probably the only human who could literally crush a robot with his bare hands, but he'd have to catch it first. I' not saying Meta wouldn't stand a chance, but Tex just stands a better better.
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...We aren't arguing, are we? I thought we were just having a conversation on the subject...I hope you don't have the impression I'm trying to argue with you here.
Anyway, onto the reply on topic
I never said Tex was easy to kill, I thought I made that much clear in some point of my reply. I'd say she's the second character to be the hardest to take down, infact just recentlt I thought she was the best, until I properly took Maine's abilities into consideration.
She went down for five minutes by a wound to the arm...I don't think it makes sense that she can take as much damage as Maine but not a shot to the arm...Does that make much sense to you? Clearly you're a pretty smart person, so it should be clear that Tex can't endure a whole lot due to the shot to the arm example. So yes, there is enough to suggest Tex wouldn't be able to handle as much; The arm wound by a single bullet.
What damage has she directly taken and then continued to get up? That's not me being sarcy, that's me actually asking. If you could give me a season and an episode so I can check it out myself, that would be great.
Like I said, that's her strong point, her speed. I dissagree about her being the complete package. Maine has shown himself to be a far better freelancer, simply because he progressed to being able to kill three to four freelancers that were all much higher ranked/skilled than him on the freelancer level list (from season 9), he also killed including Tex. He wasn't even on the top five, and yet he killed people that was explained to be better freelancers than Washington (Number 5 on the list) by Delta.
If she was the 'complete package' then how come Maine could survive the planted explsions that were larger than that single brude shot...shot, and yet maine survived it all? Surely 'the complete package' would have a far higher endurance level, but so far it has shown that she has got to be the freelancer with the least endurance. Every explosion Tex was in on that fight, Maine was in the receiving end of the damage aswell, and yet he got up like it was nothing.
Oh, I thought you meant just full on man vs machine. Yeah, I guess that would be right. But, if that's so, then how come Tex (You said she had a machine body) still have such a low level of endurance compaired to Maine? Surely that argument only strengthens my point about Maine than it does your point about Tex.
I honestly don't think she could ever "kill" Maine, I think Maine can kill Tex though. By that I mean that if it came down to an enviroment like the snow area, where there was nearly no-where to get away or imprison the Meta, then Tex wouldn't stand a chance in the long run. Yeah, she would definetly do all these amazing moves, really make it appear like she's winning but it would only give the appearance of it. Surely you remember Tex doing that back breaker move on Maine, and Maine still not stopping, even though it would of broke the back of any normal person. Eventually Maine would catch her off gaurd, and that's all he needs to do (which is usually how most fights are won). It would be long, I would even say that Maine would only be able to land about a quarter of the hits Tex would of landed on Maine, but that's all Maine needs due to his strength and Tex's low endurance; Quarter of the hits Tex would of landed, maybe even less.
I think the only way she would be able to beat Maine would be for her to trap him somewhere. In a physical fight, she wouldn't be able to kill him or beat him.
This is why Maine was the main antagonist of those seasons. Tex isn't an unstoppable force or an un-movable object. Although she's good, she lacks one, if not the main, thing that's needed in combat; Endurance.
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Sorry, "argument" is a term I use really loosely 
I'm really not sure what arm wound you're talking about, now. The only one I remember is from Season 9, where she shrugged it off and kicked Maine, York and Wyoming's collective asses. And that was before she got her crate-throwing, wall-punching, Monty Oum upgrade. So yeah, she can take a lot. I will admit that there's plenty of evidence Maine can take a lot more, though. But again, Tex is better at avoiding getting hit, which in retrospect, is a far more useful skill.
And since Tex is better at avoiding getting hit, I can't give you an example where she took as much punishment as Meta, but she has been in situations just as intense and got out virtually unscathed. Again, far more useful skill. Probably the most damage she actually took was in the Season 8 battle against Wash and Meta. Granted, she lost the battle, but her wounds didn't phase her until she took a direct hit from Meta's Brute Shot point-blank. Before that, she was shot, cut, tackled, and punched, but didn't falter. Again, Meta's practically invincible, but Tex isn't made of glass.
For the record, Meta probably didn't kill Tex in a fight. Most likely, she was highly damaged from the crash and couldn't fight back very well, if at all. Even if she could, that was her old body. The new one she got in Season 8 was proven to be better, since she could throw a freakin crate (after it was dropped on her, I may add; again, not made of glass), while the original complained about having to lift Andy. Then again, there's no actual confirmation Meta got her, at all. There was an AI with the Meta that kind of looked like her, but that could just as easily been another AI; probably Omega, in my opinion. She could still be out there, and may return in a future season. I think she probably will, too, since I don't think RoosterTeeth would just throw away a fan-favorite character like that. Then again, what do I know 
Maine survived the explosions for the same reason Wash and Doc did: he didn't take them directly. They were around the jeep, not directly under it. Their purpose was to hinder, not kill. Wash was the closest, being out of the car at the time, so he took the worst of it. Doc and Meta on the other hand, were both fine afterwards. Same reason for the brute shot; Tex took the shot directly to the foot, while Meta was slightly farther away, behind the gun, so he got knocked back, but it wasn't as bad. Even Meta would've at least been stunned by a direct hit. So I guess his "lucky shot" I mentioned earlier wasn't as lucky as it was cheap. Still, it didn't exactly prove him a better fighter.
And, I'm gonna have to disagree with that thing about Tex seeming to have "least endurance". Again, it's been proven she can take hits, she's just better at avoiding them. I'm kinda feeling like a broken record, at this point
Look, I'm sorry, but if your argument is that Tex couldn't win in a fist-fight, then again, that's something I'm gonna call BS on. Meta may have improved over the years, but that's all from his AI and armor enhancements aiding his performance. Niether of those things improve your fighting ability, and in all reality, Meta seems to fight the exact same way Maine did all those years ago. Tex kicked his ass then, and he couldn't touch her even with 2 other freelancers helping him ("helping" being used loosely
The only real reason Meta was the main antagonist was because HE'S EVIL! Tex is a bitch sometimes, but she's still on the right side. Had she not been, though, the Reds and Blues would have been SCREWED 
So, really, my point is this:
Tex. Un-movable object? Close, but not quite. Unstoppable force? HELLZ YEA 
The only thing keeping Tex back is that whole "destined to loose" thing, which, I'm sure you'll agree, is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT 
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Oh, ok. Aslong as this dosn't turn into an argument, I'll find it fun to have the debate.
In season 8, the snow fight. Remember when she used the detenator to make the big explosion that made all the ice parts start to fall? Wash shoots her on the arm, and she was down for five minutes, which gave Maine and Wash the time to climb up the icy cliff to get up to Tex.
For the sake of this discussion, I just re-watched the ice fight. I didn't see her get cut or directly hit (except from the tackle Meta gave at the start). Every hit after that was dodged and blocked by Tex. Yes, Meta did break her gaurd quite a few times, but didn't get to make a hit past breaking her gaurd. I might of misunderstood what you said though, do you mean a different episode where she got cut or...? No doubt Tex isn't made of glass, glass doesn't cut as deep as she can. Although, she is easily injured if she's directly hit.
I think it's a good thing that RoosterTeeth made Tex have her flaws, it makes it more fair for male characters to shine.
...What crash?...Maine did kill Tex...Remember, the whole sharp object through the face thing? Not going to lie, that whole paragraph confused me.
...You're saying that it wasn't Tex Maine killed, it was Omega? Really, this paragraph is confusing me. Could you reply to me about that paragraph in a more simple way, specifying what it is you mean?
From what I think you mean is that you're saying that it wasn't Tex Maine killed, it was another A.I?
Do you realize that season 8 is based after season 9? By you saying Tex's new body was stronger, that just shows that Maine improved far more than Tex did due to him still being able to endure far more, and her not being able to kill him...
Well actually, Maine was directly under the explosion. I just watched the episode, and it shows Maine trying to exit the warthog (most likely to avoid the explosion) and is right above it when it explodes, Wash and Dohnut though, they weren't directly under any.
The brute shot, sure, she was closest to it by a few inches, although I'm pretty sure if Maine could survive being on top of an explosion when it exploded and didn't slow him down, that a brute shot bullet would wear him down even in the slightest.
It wasn't a cheap shot or a lucky shot. Tex left herself open, Maine seen that and acted in a way he would win (which all fights are done). Like I said, if Maine could survive everything he has, including a far bigger explosion while being litrally on top of it and not get stunned, then I'm possitive that a brute shot (something with less explosive power) would stun him at all.
No doubt Tex is a better fighter, although that doesn't mean that Tex would win in a fight against him, which sounds weird, I know. What I mean by it is that in their fights, physical fist fighting was only part of the battle. So in a more realistic term, it was more of a battle than a fight.
If anyone was being cheap in the whole battle, it was Tex. Like I said, she planted explosions, planted rifles, and she even planted a turret which all were aimed at Maine, which Maine still beat her in the end. If anyone done a cheap shot, it was Tex, not even just one cheap shot, quite a few.
Not being sarcy, but where has she ever been hit? Can you give me a season and episode name so I can look it up? You might be right, although I want to see it for myself. The whole thing when the big metal thing landed on her, it wasn't her endurance that saved her, it was her strength that did.
So far, most of the freelancers have been shot down and hadn't died, even wash was shot in the back by an assualt rifle at point blank range, and he still recovered from it. Sure, he was down for quite a long time, but he still recovered. Tex having the least endurance out of all of the freelancers can't be proven, although alot goes against the point of her having better endurance than there are points against her not having better endurance.
They couldn't physically help him out or mentally help him out if he had none of them to use. He had no A.Is to help him, which means he had no armour abilities to help him. When he killed Tex, he done it as Maine, not the Meta.
If he had relied on them, then he wouldn't of been able to enchance as Maine, he would of only enchanced as The Meta. His endurance is something he's always had, and it's the reason how he killed Tex. He had his endurance way before he had any A.Is. The A.Is and armour abilities had nothing to do with him beating Tex, otherwise, he wouldn't of been able to kill the other freelancers that were all ranked better than him from before he stole his first A.I.
Meta obviously improved everything about him since after that battle of Him and three others vs Tex. He got stronger than he previously was. If Tex's mechanical body could do more harm, then how come she got shot in the arm and was down for a while, while Maine got stabbed in the spine and didn't even flinch?...Although it doesn't make sense that flesh can endure more than machine, this time flesh has higher endurance than machine.
It isn't only because he's evil. Wyoming was pretty evil too, the whole thing that made him more unique than anyone else, is how strong and unstoppable he was. Sure, he was evil, but him being evil wasn't what made him dangerous.
If she was an unstopable force, then how did Maine...Stop her?
I think that Tex is great, definetly the best fighter. If Maine didn't have the level of endurance that he did, then sure, Tex would destroy him with ease. Everyone else Tex goes against is most likely screwed, but not Maine. Tex's downfall is always going to be Maine's endurance.
I don't think it was in a literal sense that Tex would always lose. I think it just was Church explaining that she's not really human, so her accomplishments don't really make ends with what she would really want.
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Okay, I'm just skimming this, now, so I may nt be mentioning everything you said. Can you make your next response a little briefer
I will say, though, that when you were talking about the Meta killing a bunch of other freelancers incuding Tex, I actually thought you meant collectively, so I thought you were grouping Tex in with the Freelancers Meta killed before his actual debut, implying that he beat her at Valhalla at the beginning of Reconstruction. That was the crash I was talking about, and the other AI that I thought was probably Omega came from the scenes of all of them standing together in front of Caboose, and later in front of Wash. I really don't know what I was thinking, now
And when Tex was shot by Wash, it looked to me like she was hit in the torso, not the arm. That's a far more serious wound. Plus, it was a Battle Rifle, so she was hit by more than one bullet. The fact she got up at all proves she's tough. And let's not forget that crate that was dropped on her, or the kick that sent the Meta flying 10 feet back, or the giant ice shard she punched during the ice battle that went flying like a cannonball. I'd say she and Meta are roughly in the same area in terms of strength and she's only slightly behind on the durability front.
Wyoming was the villain, too. I'm saying the only thing that truly separated Tex and Meta was their affiliation. Meta wasn't the villain because of his strength or abilities, he was the villan because of his goals and his kill-everything attitude. The only reason Tex isn't a villain herself is her sense of humanity keeping her sane.
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Hmm, I don't know about the torso, although it does look like it. If she was hit on the torso, it wasn't directly at the torso, more so to the left of the torso, but even that doesn't imply she has anything near as much endurance as Maine, due to Maine having spine stabs and chest stabs that go rith through him and he doesn't even flinch.
Strengh, I'd say they're equal, maybe Tex is slightly stronger though, in my opinion. Although, durability the same as Maine? I dissagree. Like I said before, Maine was on top of an actual bomb when it blew up, and he wasn't even injured. Tex got hit back by a Brute shot below her, which Maine was just a few inches away. I can agree with you on a few things with Maine and Tex, although the endurance part is something I'd never change my opinion on, there are just too many things in the show that show that Maine has a far better endurance than Tex.
I don't think Maine's goals is only what made him the big villain, it was the whole unstoppable thing that was half of why he was a big villain. Nobody really knows what his goals were, we only knew some of his goals, which was to get all the A.I and armour abilities, nobody really knows what Maine/The Meta would of done if he has succesfully gained all the power he wanted to gain.
You have to remember, so far logic shows that Maine killed Carolina, due to him having her armour ability (Colour change)...So, really, so far can suggest Maine was the top freelancer.
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Logic shows Maine killed Carolina? You haven't finished Season 9, have you?
Whatever. Like I said, there's no fault in thinking Maine would win 1-on-1, but my bets are still firmly on Tex. Mainly, I just like her more, plus I gotta knock Maine down a few points for being taken down by the Blood Gulch gang. That's just embarassing
And, yeah, I'll give you that Maine has Tex beat in terms of endurance, but I still say it's not by much, and mainly because - no joke - he's on friggin STEROIDS! Think about it: he's strong, he's aggressive, he's the size of a bear; the guy's on freakin roids!
And, to tell the truth, I don't really think Maine knew what his goal as the Meta was, either. He kinda just seemed to be following the AI's direction, hoping it would benefit him in some way. So, really, I guess we do know the extent of his plan
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I have seen season 9, which is why it's only seen as logical to me that Maine beat Carolina. I said kill, didn't I? Sorry, I didn't mean kill, I meant beat. That was my bad.
Yeah, but that was due to Wash's idea, without Wash's idea, it wouldn't of happened. Didn't Tex get killed by Donut before? Wouldn't that knock some points off of her?
Aha, Maine of sterois, that made me chuckle.
I could imagine him doing it, although in realistic terms, I doubt that's why he is the way he is.
Yeah, that is true. Maine mainly wanted power, although, he must of had some sort of reason to go along with his A.I's plan other than to get powerful. Surely the thought "What would I do with all that power" went through his mind alot.
I hope he comes back in season 10, he's my favorite. On second note, I still hope that Wash is on the blue team's side. Although, I doubt it he will be.
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Well, even so, I don't think it's safe to call Meta the #1 Freelancer because he beat a clearly mentally unsound Carolina. I mean, he couldn't even kill her, which seems like it should've been easy, given everything she's been through. Then again, there's no clear indication to the extent of Carolina's mental damage, so assuming she was still half the freelancer she once was, the fact she got away not only alive, but in good enough shape to launch a campaign against the Director, says a lot.
I wouldn't knock off any points for Donut, because you can't deny that was mostly pure luck. Plus, that was early on in the series, and Tex has had more than enough time to make up for it and re-establish herself as a badass since. Maine engaged the BG gang head-to-head, after already being well-established as an invincible juggernaut, and still lost. I can't really say it wouldn't have happened without Wash either, because if it weren't for Wash, they would've never been there in the first place. Or, at the very least, Meta wouldn't have the capture unit, so he'd still have (a probably severely weakened) Tex to deal with, considering she hadn't alredy beaten him without Wash's support. In a way, Wash kinda tipped things more in Meta's favor, and the hook plan was kind of a way to even the odds, and he still lost.
Realistically thinking, I think Maine might actually be a Spartan-1. I mean, it certainly would explain his size and strength, and his speech impediment and behavior may be a result of either shellshock or the brain tumors that are suposed to be a side-effect of the S1 serum... I'm a Halo nerd
Truthfully, I think that's as far as his motives go. Maine's a lot of tings, but one thing he isn't is a thinker. The only remotely intelligent things I've seen him do are stalk Wash and trick the Reds (not a great feat, really), and those I attribute to one or more of the AI, who seemeded to talk to him in his head a lot. I don't think Meta stopped for one second to think what he would do with that power, he just wanted it. That seems more his style 
I wouldn't count the Meta out of Season 10 just yet 
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Come on, that isn't fair. He killed/beat the two top freelancers (Carolina and Tex) and you're making excuses to say that he isn't strong because Carolina and Tex weren't at their full...That really isn't fair. He fairly beat them. I think he is the #1 Freelancer due to him taking out the freelancers that were above him in rank.
Tex is better than Carolina, if Maine killed Tex, I'm pretty sure he beat Carolina. Like I said before, I think that they would be able to escape him, not beat him though. They're faster than him, so it's only logical that if they had the chance to retreat from him that they would.
Actually, he went head to head against them and kicked there ass, it was only after Wash suggested the next move that they actually got him...Kind of like how Caboose stopped Tex from being able to move when she was against the reds. It's clear that without Wash's idea that they wouldn't of been able to do that. Also, it's not 100% certain that they even killed him. Since Maine killed Tex, it doesn't do much justice for your case that Tex is better, given that the person that killed her got killed by the BG gang.
Yes, he did tip things in Meta's favour, although that doesn't mean that Tex would of been able to beat Maine just because Wash wasn't there. Like I said, it was Maine's endurance that kept him alive and made him beat Tex, not Wash.
Who still lost? Maine? Against Tex her won, against the BG gang, Wash's input was what made them beat the Meta. They had absolutly no idea what to do until Wash suggested what to do...That is bluntly shown.
I think it would be cool if he was Spartan-1, although I doubt they will make it that way, they haven't exactly matched Halo series to their Machinima.
I agree to an extent that Maine isn't much of a thinker, although he does have some intelligence, he wouldn't of gotten as far as he did if he was brain dead. I agree, in terms of Tex, he doesn't have as much brains as her. Although, I think Wash has most brains between the three. Meta definetly has the least out of the three. Although you can't really say much about Maine having intelligence. It never really showed how intelligent Maine was before he had the A.Is in him.
Yeah, I see your point. The sake of gaining power to be powerful. Although, that doesn't really mean he wouldn't come up with plans to use his new found powers. I'm pretty sure he would continue to try gain more power, maybe even try kill the director? Most freelancers seem to want that nowadays.
I completely agree with that last part, we need more Freelancer flashbacks!
What I think would be cool is at the end of season ten that you see a -However long ago it was- number of years back, then all you see is the Meta's hand coming up from the ground...Abit cliche, but I think it would be cool.
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I think the fact that Carolina wasn't at the top of her game is a completely fair argument. Whether or not the fight was fair, if Carolina's not at her best, then that counts as a handicap. For the record, though, even I don't think that Tex deserved that #1 spot, or at least she didin't earn it fairly. I think it was mainly due to the Director being an ass and picking favorites, since all she did to earn te spot was drive a motorcycle and pick up a briefcase. I'm not saying that Carolina is better than Tex, but that whole ranking board is crap.
I'm not sure where you got the impression that I was making the same argument for Tex, though, because Tex was at her best during her fight against the Meta. My argument for Tex was that Meta's victory was due largely to Wash's interference. He invented the capture unit that killed her, Tex's attention was divided between the two of them, and - probaby most importantly of all - it was his shot that handicapped Tex. It should have been obvious that when she started fighting against the Meta after the cliff scene that her movements were slower and more sluggish, which is mainly what allowed the Meta to catch her off-guard. Without Wash's help, the Meta would've been the full center of Tex's attention, and with all those boobytraps in place centered solely on him, he wouldn't have stood a chance. Again, though, there's no fault in rooting for Meta in that scenario, but my bets are still firmly on Tex.
Actually, they make several direct references to the official Halo canon in RvB, especially in Season 9. The Director is actually based off an existing Halo character, believe it or not. So, it wouldn't suprise me if this is the case with Maine, but it would suprise me if that was actually revealed or explored on the show.
I still say that Maine's a dumb brute, and Meta's only intelligence comes from the AI, but that's just my observation, I guess
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Well, what if I said that Maine wasn't at his top of his game either? There is just as much logic to think Maine wasn't at his best mind set just like Carolina wasn't.
You might think the rank board was crap, It's not my place to say you shouldn't have that opinion, although that's the way they were ranked in the eyes of RoosterTeeth, so that's the way they were ranked in the show.
Once again, I have to disagree. Tex was shot, and maybe she wasn't at her full physical peek at that last part, but it wasn't her physical fighting that got her offgaurd, it was Maine's tactic that got her down, not her lack of speed. If you watch it, you will see that Maine is still far slower than Tex, so saying that her not being as fast as she was is why she lost isn't exactly a logical point to make given that she was still faster that Maine.
The capture unit was just a sharp object used, if it was something as small as the capture unit and just as sharp, he still would of killed Tex. He might of even shot her in the head and killed her. I think it's safe to say that Maine wanted to use the capture unit to gain an A.I to become the Meta again.
Look at the whole fight, you'll see that Maine was litrally who Tex focused 90% of her attention on. He was the one that all her equipment was aimed on, not Wash. Maine was the one that got targeted by the assualt and battle rifle, Maine was the one that got targeted by the turret, Maine was the one that was litrally on top of Tex's explosions planted, Maine was the one that slashed and stabbed in the spine by Tex, it was Maine that got the back breaker move done to him by Tex. To say that she didn't focus her attention on Maine is just not a clear way of looking at it. Wash only got a few punches landed on him, that's all. The whole fight was more centred on Maine and Tex.
So, given that Maine was the one that Tex had her attention on with all of her equipment, and that Maine still killed her, it's safe to say that he stood a very good chance, given that he still killed Tex when all her equipment was centered on Maine.
About Maine being dumb is an understandable assumption, although I don't really see it that way. He obviously isn't the smartest, but in the end, the way he killed Tex by aiming at the ground knowing it would get her thrown back instead of just trying to physically beat her shows to me that he has some brains when it comes to combat.
Yeah, that's possible that he might not of had a plan on what he would do with his power, although it still doesn't mean he wouldn't of come up with some sort of plan to do something even more evil.
I don't think the A.Is were manipulating him. I think the only one that was trying to manipulate Maine was his original A.I, and even then I don't think it was manipulating him. It wanted to collect all the A.I, Maine wanted power, it was more of an agreement that manipulation. I don't think that they would of killed Maine, wouldn't they still need a body to survive and have as someone to be what they would be all put together? I don't think Maine would of died, although maybe the body wouldn't be Maine, it would be a completely different person all together. Even then, I have my doubt about that. Maine was described to be able to withstand more A.Is than anyone else, so maybe he would be able to handle them all? Even then, I'm pretty sure that Maine would try to get them out of him if he realized that they were intending to kill him, mainly because Maine is someone with alot of pride, he would probably rather have a limited amount of power rather than be someone used to make something else have power while he has nothing.
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I think it's safe to assume Maine brought his A-game to beat Carolina; either he had already become the Meta, or he was turning into the Meta. Either way, Carolina was handicaped, Maine was a juggernaut.
Actually, Tex and Meta seemed to be moving at about the same speed, but Tex's movements were obviously taking their toll on her. But you're right, I don't think she lost due to lack of speed. If anything, she underestimated Maine's durability, because it looked to me like she stopped to take a breather after stabbing him. That was her only mistake, and one she wouldn't have made had her previous movements not been weighed down by her injury.
Like I said, even without the capture unit, Maine would've still had a pretty descent chance, so there's no problem in being on his side. But still, my bets are firmly on Tex.
Really, it looked more like her attention was divided 40-60 between Wash and Meta, respectively. Mostly because Wash was smart and kept his distance most of the time, while Meta rushed in blindly. And, watching the fight, it's pretty apparent that that tactic wasn't really getting him anywhere. Wash served as a distraction and gave Meta the opening he needed to strike. If Meta was fighting by himself, Tex would practically be dribbling his face against the ground.
Firing a weapon isn't a sign of intelligence. In his position, that was all he could do. It was common sense.
Well, they probably wouldn't have "killed" Maine, I guess. More like "erase his mind and inhabit his empty husk of a body". Omega proved they can do that. And if it got to the point, Maine probably wouldn't be able to do anything about all those AI overpowering him. Also, when did it say that Maine could handle that many AI. I mean, that's probably true, but I don't remember that being mentioned.
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I don't know, it's a possibility. Although, seeing the way he fought with Tex and won when he was just plain Maine and not The Meta gives me the idea that he probably beat carolina as one of his first battles as a rogue freelancer. How was Carolina handicaped? The A.I being in her head or...? Either way, Maine was still able to beat her even when he had one A.I or more than one A.I, which means his head wasn't exactly at its best either.
...No they weren't...If you watch Tex fight Maine when she gets up from the gunshot wound, you'll see that Tex is still far more faster than Maine and dodges his every move. If Maine was the same speed as Tex at that moment, Tes wouldn't of been able to dodge every move he made and slashed him twice with a knife and stabbed him in the spine.
You can't say she wouldn't of made those mistakes if she hadn't had been shot. Let's think about this logically...Tex stopped to take a breather while she had a knife stuck in Maine while Maine didn't even fall to the ground...I really don't think Tex is stupid enough to take a breather at a moment like that. She obviously stabbed him thinking he would be stunned, then the knife was still wedged in Maine. At that moment, she was out smarted by Maine. He thought of a tactic faster than she could move, all while having a knife stuck in his spine.
I respect the Tex character alot, and saying she would be stupid enough to take a breather in that situation is doing nothing but making her seem like a moron, which she obviously isn't.
I'm not saying don't think Tex would win, I would be an asshole to say not to have your own opinion. I'm just trying to explain why I think Maine would win, which is the same with what you're doing with Tex, which there is no problem doing.
I have said before that it's very possible for Tex to beat Maine, although killing Maine is something completely different. If Tex wanted to escape Maine, she probably would be able to do it easily due to her speed. Although, I think Maine would probably try to hunt her down after a while.
Hmm, I wouldn't say 40-60, I would say more like 70-30. The only time she had to watch Wash was when he was in close combat with her, which even then she disposed of him with quick, single punches.
I wouldn't say he rushed in blindly. I think Maine understands his capabilities when it comes to endurance, which is why he isn't afraid of quickly going in head first; he knows he can take what is thrown at him.
But, it did get him somewhere. It got him close enough to knock her off the ground, then it made it possible for him to kill her...So, saying it didn't really get him anywhere isn't really a good point given that it's how he killed her.
...Wash served as a distraction? I wouldn't say that, I don't even think Maine landed a punch until the end where he kills her, all he was able to do was break her gaurd. Remember, even when Wash was out of the picture, Maine was able to take everything Tex landed to him that would of most likely killed or paralyzed anyone else, not to mention Wash wasn't in the picture when Maine got the upperhand, so saying Wash served as a distraction isn't really accurate. Wash was just really...there. Like I said, the maine fight was Maine and Tex.
I doubt he's be dribbling with his face on the ground, remember that Maine got Tex on the ground and was holding her there for a while even though she had an assault rifle trying to shoot him, this was all while Wash wasn't in the scene. So saying that she would be able to keep him down easily isn't exactly accurate. Sure, she'd hit him down many times, that much is sure, although keeping him down would be something she'd never be able to do, even if it was just her against Maine.
I dissagree again with him not making an intelligent move. He looks up at her before taking the shot, he had plenty of time to aim up at her face and take a shot, but he most likely knew she's be able to move out of the way fast enough, so he took the shot on the ground underneath her knowing it would knock her off her ground and do more damage. The whole part when he was stabbe din the spine then just looked up at Tex in a way that gave a "My turn" type of way clearly signifies that he knew twhat he was doing.
I still would have to say that they wouldn't be able to do that to him without him noticing and taking them out of him or atleast taking half of them out so he can control them. Remember, Maine was the only one with a strong enough mind to handle multiple A.Is in his head.
Well, given that he is fully capable of carrying out his plans with a normal thinking pattern shows that he can handle more than one A.I, where as Carolina couldn't handle more than one and needed to get hers out.
It doesn't "Say" it anywhere, it's just basic knowledge. Given that he acts the exact same way as he did before he became the Meta shows that his mental state hasn't drasticly changed. Although, obviously he had different ideas from what he did before given that he wants power, that still doesn't mean that his mental state has changed. Surely you notice his actions and way he is being the same in the the up to date story line from how he was in season 9.
Remember, he was still able to make rational decisions when he had the A.I.
In my opinion, Maine was just as much of a threat when he was just Maine as he was when he was the Meta. Although, that's probably because he never tried his hardest when he was The Meta but did when he was just Maine.
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Something I actually just came to realise: when Tex lost, it was a plot-scripted defeat, meaning the character's defeat was essential to the future events of the show, so it had to happen. We've been going back and forth about how the fight on Avalanche showed how one fighter was superior to the other, when really, plot-scripted fights like that are never a good indication. I may seem like a nerd for picking this example, but it reminds me of the scene from the TMNT movie where Leonardo fought Raphael. Leo was always the most skilled, plus he'd been away training for a long time, while Raph had been either slacking around or playing vigilante, never really improving his own skill. In short, Raph had no business winning, but he still did, because it left Leo weakened enough to be abducted, afterwards.
That's kinda what happened with the Meta. He needed to beat Tex for the show to progress the way it would, so he did. A better example would be the scene earier that season when the Reds escaped from Valhalla. If there's one thing we know about the Reds by now, it's that Sarge's plans are rediculous and borderline nonsensical. So how did he actually manage to come up with a plan that not only allowed the group to escape, but also catch the brilliant Agent Washington off-guard? Because he had to in order for Simmons to rejoin the group, that's how. The Reds defeated the Meta in a similar way in the finale, once again showing an unusual degree of competent intelligence for them, simply so the villan could be defeated.
So really, the end results of plot-scripted fights like that are never a good reference for the skill of anyone involved, though the events in the fight may be, since whether or not they change the end result, they still show what the characters involved are capible of. And really, I simply think Tex has been shown to be capible of far more. This is arguably because Maine/Meta has been in next to no plot-scripted battles, while Tex has been in a truckload of situations purely meant to show how much ass she can kick, so I can't really compare the 2 fairly. As the series stands now, it's purely up to fan speculation who would win, and my bet's with the Queen of Kickassia, though I think Meta could easily be "crowned" King
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I still don't think that indicates anything different from my points. In season nine it shows that Wash is shown to be better than Maine, he's on the top five freelancer list, where as Maine is nowhere on the list at all. Later on you find out that Maine had killed freelancers that were better than Wash, indicated by Delta. This shows that Maine improved far more after season nine, he was able to take on anyone. Maine improved himself. So I don't think that it was just a fluke in story plot as you suggested, if that was true he wouldn't of been able to defeat the other freelancers that were said to be better than him.
If anything, Tex is more guilty of having that done for her. Maine was able to take sniper bullets, rounds to the throat, energy sword to the chest, and keep moving as if it was just a minor injury, but Tex was able to beat him down with a training pole in season nine, how does that make any logical sense? Granted it would be able to knock him down on his ass plenty of times, but keeping him down the way it did, that was surely more of an example for what you're saying than the avalanche battle.
How did Maine have to be the one to beat Tex? It could of just as much been Wash, afterall, he was shown to be better than maine in season nine on the score board. I think Maine fairly beat her while still going by the correct story plot in a logical sense. He has a near invinsible endurance level, it's only logical that he would win, and his endurance level is the exact same as it is in all the other episodes before he fought with Tex.
Let's face it, if the show was revolved around red and blue team having no good plans in serious matters, they would be dead by now, and that isn't just talking about the episodes with Washington in them.
Actually, it wasn't the Red's plan that actually got Maine/The meta defeated, it was Washington's. Remember, he is the one that gives Sarge the hook from the Warthog and says "You know what to do". So really, Red's only deemed the physical part of the plan, where as it was Washington's actual plan, and Washington is probably one of the better Freelancers when it comes to planning, so it isn't hard to believe his plan was what got Maine defeated.
Not trying to get in to a seperate debate about this, but the whole show revolves around females being shown to be more lethal. If you actually watch most of the episodes, you'll see that every female has far more skill than the men, even the characters that are in it for five minutes that are female, they even show more skill than the main male characters. RoosterTeeth definetly favours females in the show more than men, which is why you will most likely never see a male being more flashy and skilled than any other female character on the show, even if a male character is more skilled and better in the show, the female will get more flashy kickass scenes, where as the male rarely ever does to the extent the females do.
I still vote Maine being better. His endurance is Tex's downfall. Sure she can knock him on his ass a hundred times more than he would her, although he will just keep getting back up from them and constantly attack her until she slips up, then Maine takes her down. Maine only really needs one chance to win his fights, once he has you, only luck can really get you out of it, where as Tex gets shot by a DMR bullet one on the shoulder area and is down for five minutes.
She is definetly more flashy and skilled than Maine, although Maines best trait is something he didn't learn, it was something that can't be learned; His endurance.
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Okay, you seem to be going back and forth a bit on whether or not Meta's past abilities as Maine count or not. Yes, Maine definitely improved after becoming the Meta, but I've also metioned that Tex herself has improved, as well. Just looking at the fight at Avalanche, watching up until Wash shot Tex and crippled her, there's no question who was dominating that fight. Meta only pulled ahead at the end, because he had to, because Tex had to loose. I never implied Tex had to loose to Meta, specifically, but Meta did have to beat Tex in the sense that Tex simply had to loose. True, it could have been Wash, but it wasn't.
Plus, Meta just makes more sense. There's been no evidence that Wash has had any significant improvement over the years like Tex and Meta, so the difference between him and Tex is too great to think he'd win on his own after walking into Tex's trap like that. Just like Leo vs Raph; anyone could've beaten Leo, but Raph just made more sense than some random street thug, or something. Plus, it was more dramatic, another point I can give Meta over Wash. Wash wins, he goes home, he's happy, Church is sad, the Reds don't care; Meta wins, he goes crazy, and more actiony-shit happens. I mean, I may be arguing for Tex's victory, here, but I can't deny that if anyone had a chance of beating Tex at all (at that point in the series, anyways), it would be Meta. I just think that chance is paper-thin, and his edge in the fight was mainly from the tiny advantage Wash gave him. Think of it like a math equation; Tex is 10, Meta is 9, and Wash is, hmmm... let's say somewhere between 5 and 7; individually, Tex is the greatest, but together, Wash and Meta are greater.
Also, for the record, that "pole" Tex hit Maine with was electrically-charged. I can only assume that the point of that was specifically to affect the target's nervous system, which even Maine has. Even in that fight, he showed amazing durability, considering all the times Tex hit him, but even he has a limit, and an electric uppercut to the face that shocks the nerves will likely knock anyone out, and make their nerves pretty sensitive for a bit afterwards. That's probably how Tex was able to punch him out in Round 2.
I understand it was Wash's plan but even if it was merely execution, the Reds still showed uncharacteristic competence in it. I mean, how did Sarge "know what to do," as Wash put it? Knowing typical Sarge, I think he would've been a little confused at just being handed a hook. Plus, that was a smart move luring the Meta close; knowing Sarge, a much more likely move vould've been trying to tackle him and attatch it to his chest. Or, perhaps some decoy plan involving Grif. That whole scene just seemed uncharacteristically smart and badass for Sarge and the Reds, to me. I dunno, maybe that's just me
I wouldn't say the show "revolves" around females being able to do more, especially considering all the arguments you made for all Maine/Meta has done. Plus, let's not forget those kickass Insurrection ODSTs, only one of which was female (and I really couldn't tell, the first time I watched it
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I still think Maine would of won anyway. Sure, Tex might of improved, but since Maine was able to actually kill her, it shows he improved far more than she has. Remember, Tex got hit two times in that battle, Maine got blown up and stabbed in the spine, not to mention countless other attacks that would kill anyone else, probably even Tex. Like I'm sure I said before, Tex pretty much recovered from that bullet wound, she was still faster than Maine, so you can't really say she was at a disadvantage.
Obviously Wash would lose against Tex, no doubt about that. What I meant was that they could of made Wash have the killing blow while Maine was distracting her or something, but that wasn't the case. Maine and Tex's final fight scene was just of them two, it showed that Tex can stab, slash, knock Maine down as much as she wants, but he'll just get back up, and that one opening is all he needs to take anyone down.
I see where you were going with Tex being a ten and Maine being a nine example, although I don't think it can be as simple as that. Sure, in certain aspects Tex is a ten, but like I said before, in endurance Maine is far better, and endurance is something that can get anyone through anything if it's at a high enough level.
It's like saying this: Her level ten skill level was nothing compared to Maine's level 100 endurance level.
Like I said before, there are no doubts that Tex would definetly put a better show on, land far more hits than Maine does, knock Maine on his ass so many times but he'll just keep getting up, then when he gets an opening, he'll take the opponent out. Remember, Maine got stabbed in his spine just before he took Tex out, and that was just the most recent attack he took before taking Tex out.
Yeah, but then again, a sniper bullet to the chest, nine rounds to the throat, and an energy straight through the chest would also kill any human being, which is why I think that whole episode was just a complete piss take for the other characters. But, that's probably the demonstration of how he improved after the season nine story plot. His endurance did seem to get better by atleast double in the later story plot.
I think Sarge is smarter than the show gives him credit, although I still think without Washes suggestion, the plan wouldn't of happened. But let's be honest, why would Maine just grab Sarge and hold him there?...Wouldn't he of just hit him down? Eitherway, I think the reds done pretty good for their part, even if I think it wouldn't of happened without Wash.
Revolves was a bit of a strong wording use, but you should get what I mean. When the show is involving some kickass scenes, the females are most likely to be seen to first, which is why I like the whole idea of Maine having something none of the other characters have, an unbeatable endurance. It's what irritated me when Maine, Wyoming and York fought against Tex, they basically took the only real badass male character that later on kills Tex and made him far more easily beaten than he is later on, I mean sure, he isn't as good as he becomes later on in the show at that stage, but he should of still had some cool scenes, right?
Maine is pretty awesome due to his endurance, and when Tex easily took him out in those rounds, it just got me pissed. How RT could pretty much disrespect the only real bad ass male character just to further the already overpowered look most female character have on the show just irritated me. The whole of season nine had me doing this in nearly every scene of every episode:
"Watches, sees something cool happen, waits for male character to do something cool, male character gets outshined or beat by female, -Sigh-"
That is pretty much what I done through every episode.
Yeah, the ODST people is what irritated me aswell. Maine, the guy that takes out Tex later on goes to help Carolina, he fights the ODST female, she basically kicks his ass in the brief time they fight. Then they switch, the male ODST fighting Maine and Carolina fighting the female ODST. Ofcourse, Carolina beats her opponent, but Maine gets his ass handed to him, then guess who easily takes down that opponent? Carolina...They disrespected the most bad ass male character yet again just so another female character comes in and shines, making the only real bad ass male character look like an easily taken care of character.
I'm still giving RoosterTeeth a go though. I'm still not losing hope that in the next seasons they'll atleast make some sort of male character do better than one of the overpowered female characters. I just hope Maine is still alive, because let's face it, if he can survive the amount of damage he took, he can sure as hell survive falling off a cliff.
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Yeah, like Maine as Maine would lose to her hands down, but when he was the Meta, he had three A.I.s and couldn't touch her. It took him till he got Wash's help to kill her, and even then was using her power against her.
I agree with you. In a regular fight, no armour or weapons, tex would kick Maine's ass.
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No, the ice fight happened after Maine/Meta lost all his AIs due to the emp, remember?
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When did he fight Tex with 3 AIs? I don't remember that
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Well, York wasnt THAT good and Maine and Wyoming were fighting freely.
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Especially when 2 of them cheated
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York was ranked the 2nd best Freelancer, and I doubt he got that far on hacking skills alone. Wyoming was 3rd, and though I'm not sure, I'm tempted to believe Maine was #7. Whether they were fighting as a team or not, beating 3 top-ranked Freelancers is damn impressive
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O.o Tex is badass...Meta is badass times 8...we should be running...
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Nice pic.
You gotta wonder... what would happen if he was like 9 of Tex? (shudders) I don't even want to imagine what he would do if he was 10 of her.
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curse u short attention span......
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