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Greavyard [2015-10-19 21:40:53 +0000 UTC]
I still don't get this fetish for killing any and all communists.
Are you Stalinist by any chance? :v
Nice map, otherwise.
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SithEmperorCharizard [2015-05-25 13:05:17 +0000 UTC]
Did Lenin, Ataturk, and Andres Bonifacio (the Filipino revolutionary) met their graves here?
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sakuradu13 [2013-08-17 21:35:55 +0000 UTC]
Indochina was French territory this time
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DaemonofDecay In reply to sakuradu13 [2013-10-10 07:32:37 +0000 UTC]
That's why it's *Alternate* history. Hence why it's Imperial Russia and not the USSR.
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Gisop [2013-08-03 16:05:56 +0000 UTC]
is it real? ottoman in 1937
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DaemonofDecay In reply to Gisop [2013-10-10 07:34:15 +0000 UTC]
Not in real life, no. It's Alternate history, a continuation of my 'What If?' scenarios I used to devise in class instead of paying attention.
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ascoli00 [2013-06-08 20:06:11 +0000 UTC]
Excellent Histories
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spicywookie [2012-11-25 05:45:20 +0000 UTC]
Shouldnt the German Empire have their colony of tsingtau in china ? other than that good work!
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DaemonofDecay In reply to spicywookie [2012-12-24 20:30:46 +0000 UTC]
You are right, actually. But then, I also didn't include the other European enclaves on China's coast either, apparently.
An oversight on my part. I guess the best way to justify it would be to have China having seized the European holdings (barring Germany's) due to their alliance. That, or Japan jumping in to grab them at the end of the Great War.
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Enricfan [2012-05-28 21:32:03 +0000 UTC]
Very Interesting map, but why do Tibet and Sinkiang have their post-1950s borders?
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DaemonofDecay In reply to Enricfan [2012-12-24 20:31:59 +0000 UTC]
Those were the ones on the blank map I had from the time. To be honest, I imagine that those borders were not clearly defined back in the 30s, due to isolation, the landscape, the size of the borders, etc.
But in this case I simply used the map to modify, and those were left pretty much intact.
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DaemonofDecay In reply to canuleyo [2012-12-24 20:32:25 +0000 UTC]
Isn't that an HoI mod?
Never played it myself, but it did seem to develop quite a large following.
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canuleyo In reply to DaemonofDecay [2012-12-25 15:22:11 +0000 UTC]
and DH mod too. Yeah quite a good mod.
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ConjurerOfCheapTrix [2011-03-21 04:03:09 +0000 UTC]
Interesting. The French no longer controls Indochina, which begs the question of dear Uncle Ho. What kind of experiences will he perceive outside of Vietnam since France is no longer its colonial master? Would he still go to France and embrace communism by some means?
Heck, what would be the fate of all famous leaders of the 20th century?
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DaemonofDecay In reply to ConjurerOfCheapTrix [2011-04-07 18:44:24 +0000 UTC]
Don't really know; I imagine many of them are still kicking around. The question of how Imperial Germany would manage such distant colonies is an interesting one; even though the "won" the Great War, they still lack the same ability to project naval power as the UK.
If I had to suggest a preliminary idea I would gamble that 'Uncle Ho' would be a bit like Lenin during WW1, who was sent to Russia during the war by the Germans. The UK would use their maritime power to ensure that Ho would find his way back to Indochina to scrounge up some trouble.
And while Germany's army would be the strongest in the world, they lack the experience of the British and others dealing with colonial populations, so the response to unrest and nationalism in Indochina would result in two possible outcomes. The first would be the pragmatic: Germany would run their distant Asian colonies with a very hands off approach, less concerned about what they gained from the colonies than denying them to their rivals in Europe. In this situation their rule would be pretty limited and thus there would be less resistance (at first) due to allowing the people to run their own affairs to a fair degree.
However the other path is that Germany would follow the French model of sending in large numbers of troops to suppress any discontent, as for Germany the colonies would be economically important and signs of national prestige. It is interesting, because Germany's real-life colonial period was fairly limited. However if one looks at how they handled German East Africa it was a very efficient regime that managed to gain the loyalty of many local tribes.
Thus I imagine that the one I will certainly choose will be a mixture of the two: Germany tends to have a 'hands-off' approach to colonization that is less brutal than the French/Belgian models. In Africa its colonies would remain quite quite and face few uprisings. However Indochina would be a different problem for Germany after Ho made his way there with the help of the UK (who were sure to aid any nationalist/revolutionary groups). Thus in Indochina, Germany would be forced to dispatch larger garrisons of soldiers to the limits of its Empire. While most of its soldiers overseas would be in Indochina, there would still be plenty in its new African colonies to simply keep the peace.
This would turn out to be a problem for Germany: while its neighbor France began to rearm and fell to more extreme political ideologies Germany would find itself with itself overreaching and stretched out, its military stuck protecting colonies and leaving less troops in Europe to counter growing French power. The strength of the Royal Navy and French Navy combined would mean that in the case of war all these soldiers would likely be stranded overseas.
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AmongTheSatanic In reply to DaemonofDecay [2011-05-28 23:51:03 +0000 UTC]
Perhaps you should recognize the excellent model of Tanganyika. Germany was one of the nicest colonial masters, it simply lost its colonies during the Great War before the investments paid off.
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DaemonofDecay In reply to AmongTheSatanic [2013-10-10 07:38:45 +0000 UTC]
It was better than some, certainly, but it also didn't have the same size or populations within its short-lasting colonial empire. The French and British had their colonies going back to the 16th century, while Germany only obtained theirs right at the end of the 19th century, and historically only held onto them for less than half a century.
We could look at German approaches to Poland during the 19th century and conquered lands during WW1 as other ways of judging how a victorious and proud Germany might handle its colonies too.
It's an open question, really, although an interesting one for sure.
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DaemonofDecay In reply to naturalbodyartist [2011-02-13 08:16:32 +0000 UTC]
Glad you liked it, and I too enjoy Alternate History. Which is, unfortunately, not widely explored outside of a few select authors.
Also it should be noted that this map (like my others) are all tied together, so the maps about North America during the 30s go with this one to give a wider representation of the world.
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zeraful [2010-10-05 07:37:02 +0000 UTC]
Indochine is belong to France, not German
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DaemonofDecay In reply to zeraful [2010-10-28 17:12:30 +0000 UTC]
Yes it did... historically. But after WW1, in this scenario, France lost its colonies to Germany.
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DaemonofDecay In reply to zeraful [2010-11-05 19:52:46 +0000 UTC]
Yes they did... in real life. This is a Alternate-History scenario. Its not real.
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Quavera-Tava [2010-08-20 21:05:24 +0000 UTC]
Hey what kind of government is Japan?
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PleaseImJustaGirl In reply to Quavera-Tava [2014-11-13 19:49:25 +0000 UTC]
The figure head of the Emporer with a Peoples House called the Diet.
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Ahmedqatar In reply to Quavera-Tava [2010-09-03 17:53:36 +0000 UTC]
Japan has Empirical system .. now they have a democratic one!
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DaemonofDecay In reply to Quavera-Tava [2010-09-21 13:35:56 +0000 UTC]
Pretty similar to what they had historically: a government dominated/run by the military.
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Quavera-Tava In reply to DaemonofDecay [2010-09-22 01:34:22 +0000 UTC]
Mmm, your world has a lot of ups and downs compared to our world, and Japan not being Democratic is a downer.
Still great story.
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JASKNi [2010-04-20 01:30:29 +0000 UTC]
看到这个我就想骂小日本儿!
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DaemonofDecay In reply to JASKNi [2010-04-21 02:55:17 +0000 UTC]
Sorry mate, I only speak English and Bad German. Although I can swear in farsi.
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Jon-t69 In reply to DaemonofDecay [2010-08-14 06:16:42 +0000 UTC]
Caring for it it is 到? 个 I 就想? Small Japan 儿!
I tried to TRANSLATE Jaskni's comment, words, this is the best i could do...
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DaemonofDecay In reply to Jon-t69 [2010-04-03 19:44:25 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! And yeah, it would be pretty epic. Of course if Japan did anything like they did historically they would advance further into China then get bogged down and distracted elsewhere.
It will be interesting to see what happens to Japan next; how would the European nations deal with its expansionism?
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Jon-t69 In reply to DaemonofDecay [2010-04-05 19:14:58 +0000 UTC]
Your Welcome, and
yeah
it WILL be interesting, I have enjoyed your creative writing immensely, your Alternate History Timeline is AWESOME, im Reading it again, I like the direction you have taken, inclusion of Japan!
In Anime, Japanese Artists and Writers/Creators play with the ideas and consequences of Military aggression in
Science-Fiction, as Cautionary Tales...What IF? Scenarios...
What you are doing is similar and cool, Keep doing what your doing, Good Work, Bro.
In Real Life, I admire Japan, the People, so much.
When the United States dropped the Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese were forever changed by it, in so many ways... It ended theyre Military aggression, for they experienced the ultimate devastation of WAR, being destroyed by War, they stopped Invading China.
But in your story, i have to read more, im guessing that this didnt happen in your Alternate History Timeline... Japan didnt get bombed by the most powerful weapon ever made, and continued to invade China...
I want to find out if they become like the Nazis or U.S.A., England, how much Territory they gain before probably being defeated in a world war...
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DaemonofDecay In reply to Jon-t69 [2010-04-12 07:54:16 +0000 UTC]
Japan wouldn't have been bombed by the US due to their tacit agreement about sharing the Pacific. With the US more focused on the Americas (Canada and the Confederacy) and having not expanded into the Pacific by taking the Philippines, they would be more willing to keep trading with Japan even after the invasion of China and such events like the Rape of Nanking.
China wouldn't be without allies during this period, however. The UK would not want Japan to control China, and neither would Germany. Both would supply China through their colonies to keep the fight up. You might get a Flying Tigers like volunteer (or mercenary, depending on your point of view) force operating in China, with a mix of Imperial German and Fascist British pilots aiding the Chinese. Although they would be enemies at home, neither nation would benefit from Japan winning its war with China.
The real problem is figuring out which side the Japanese would come in on in the Second World War. Both Germany and the UK have tempting colonies in the Far East. And with the US less interesting in Asian affairs (and thus trading more freely), Japan would not be so badly hampered as it was historically by a lack of fuel and metal. But if they misjudge the situation they could come in on the wrong side, or wind up antagonizing all the world powers.
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DaemonofDecay In reply to Jon-t69 [2010-04-21 03:05:53 +0000 UTC]
Whats funny is that my approach to Japan invading China is pretty close to what happened historically. Japan conquered a huge swath of Chinese territory in our timeline (OTL), but didn't have the manpower to conquer it all AND fight the allies in the Pacific. In this situation, with less pressure on Japan (no US embargo, no US military presence in the Philippines, etc.) I expect Japan would make greater progress in conquering China. I doubt Japan would conquer it all for numerous reasons, but Japan would have a tighter hold on the important Coastal regions.
As for atomic weapons, they would still be developed. In OTL the Allies, Germany, and Soviet Union had begun programs towards developing nukes before the end of the war (and Japan had turned down the plan to seek such weapons and instead focused on "death rays" and other things. No kidding). They would show up too, but the might be developed slower and/or in different nations. For instance Einstein would still be in Europe.
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Jon-t69 In reply to DaemonofDecay [2010-04-23 23:54:19 +0000 UTC]
A 1940's Era, Top-Secret Black Ops Project Japanese Military Death Ray?!
That's Awesome!
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AmongTheSatanic In reply to DaemonofDecay [2010-04-21 13:04:28 +0000 UTC]
I have a horrible feeling Japan will invade Mongolia and Sinkiang and strangle Nationalist China from all around.
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DaemonofDecay In reply to AmongTheSatanic [2010-04-27 23:01:34 +0000 UTC]
Mongolia is probably not that attractive to Japan. Not only because Mongolia lacks any high concentration of essential resources, but it is also a concern of Russia, who has alot of sway there. Japan doesn't want to risk a land war with Russia while also fighting China. Or at least, not yet they don't...
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AmongTheSatanic In reply to DaemonofDecay [2010-04-27 23:21:12 +0000 UTC]
Well, Mongolia actually does have some good resources. Lumber, metals, and uranium. Which means instead of a death ray, they could make nukes...
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Muhad [2010-01-20 00:48:29 +0000 UTC]
I see this version of Asia to be quite pleasing
awesome job on the detail of events
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