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Description This is a redo of a map I made for my then partner about a year ago, which reflected his political inclinations and favourite countries at the time. At the time he was a card-carrying member of the Socialist Party, a unionist and was a fan of social democracies. Usually, when one goes to university they become more liberal, but for whatever reason it's had the opposite effect on young Ed. Probably due to the economics classes we've shared, he's shifted to something of a market capitalist (albeit with strong regulations, he calls it 'the German Model') and is more socially conservative than he used to be. Due to this change, and the fact that the original map was ugly, I decided to remake the map.

The POD is indeterminate as I can't really pin the turn of events that lead to this specific set of circumstances. It's after American Independence and before 1848, however. Napoleon still existed in much the role he did IOTL, but destabilised Europe more than he unified it, which would have long term effects. Britain did a lot worse, with Canada remaining underdeveloped post-alt-1812 and even losing chunks of southern India to rebellion, who quickly fell into the restored French orbit. The Mughals managed to recover through French and later Russian aid, and seem to have confederated with the Emirate of Afghanistan at some point. 
When the alternate 1848 rebellions rolled around, it included Britain, more because of their poor management of Empire than because of any particular desire for democratic representation that wasn't already there. The rebellions were much, much more successful in Germany, Poland and later Hungary, but less so in Italy with Piedmont getting into fisticuffs with France and subsequently getting quashed out of existence. Because France and Britain are so preoccupied with their internal disunity, Russia is able to freely invade the Ottomans, which while initially successful will descend into a slog that will ruin both countries' economies. Austria, without Hungary, reforms into a rather more democratic federation which will set the stage for a detente between them and France and make their remaining territories more durable.
Japan gets lucky and still Meijis it up, and China has a sad time of it as foreign interventions and economic cuckolding ruin their prestige and stability. On the bright side of all this, the US is able to gently end slavery over a few decades rather than descending into a shooting war and they generally have a more peaceful 19th Century than OTL.
The Scramble still goes on, though the dispositions are rather different with France taking more in different places while Britain takes less. Spain and Portugal do better, albeit to the detriment of their respective economies. Belgium only gets a strip of land near Equatorial Guinea, while a weaker Germany and nonexistent Italy sit it out. 

History Happens.

There was a Great War, with the Entente of France, Austria, Poland, Sweden-Norway, Romania and Japan taking on the Alliance of Britain, Russia, Prussia, Spain, Hungary and Turkey. The US, prosperous and self-contained, doesn't intervene, and the German Republic sitting in the middle of it all is too afraid to make a move in either direction though still ends up as a battlefield between the two blocs. The Entente wins, albeit in an exhaustive state. The only two states they definitively beat and occupy are Hungary and Prussia, while Spain, Britain, Russia and Turkey grind into the fortress states. They sign a ceasefire, with major territorial changes being the breakdown of Hungary's integrity with the Kingdoms of Slovakia and Croatia being tied to the Austrian throne, East Prussia and Silesia being annexed by Poland, a French mandate over the Balearic Islands, and various territorial transfers in Africa and India.
However, what this loss does create is the impetus for revolution in every single member of the Alliance (sans Prussia). The British revolt to an agrarian republican movement and the monarchy is forced to flee abroad; Russia and Turkey are engulfed in civil war, but this will have the silver lining of the 'Constructivists' taking control in both countries. Spain has the world's first socialist revolution, taking an unwitting Portugal with them; and Hungary loses it's monarchy, instead going for 'arrantism', this world's version of fascism born out of Poland and so named for the term 'arrant'; complete and utter dominance.

More History Happens.

If there is one thing the democratic revolutions of the mid-1800s achieved it was a less revanchist world. The Great War managed to depress many of the most wild nationalistic sentiments by exposing them to the true horrors of trench warfare, as the thousands of Russian war cemeteries, the hundreds of ships at the bottom of the Channel, and the bones still uncovered from the Saharan Death Marches demonstrate. As such there hasn't been much of a 'Second Great War', albeit many smaller conflicts have taken place.

The world is split into three and a quarter blocs, the Corporatists, the Democrats, and the Arrantists. 

(I will finish this, I've gotten half way through it which gives me more impetus to actually complete it, but I wanted to get this posted now as I might not get to write anymore of this for a little while)
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Comments: 7

sukigirlz [2023-11-19 22:35:27 +0000 UTC]

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LightningLynx89 [2017-12-13 05:01:21 +0000 UTC]

How did you come up with how much to wank the world? Did he just list you how many countries he liked or was interested in, and you took the top I dunno 15 or 20 and put them on the map and then just kinda "wanked" them accordingly and chose to apply the politics on your own volition? Or did Edward choose which countries got what?

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Dain-Siegfried In reply to LightningLynx89 [2017-12-13 05:42:19 +0000 UTC]

Oh I basically just surmised it from my interactions with him, after being his partner for two years and living with him for another you get an idea for what countries he likes or not. He has explicitly told me over the years that he likes Austria, the Czech Republic, Russia, China, France, New England, Australia, New Zealand, Cuba and Nigeria. I combined that with his political outlook and tried to divine what that sort of world would look like.
In reality there are losers when other countries succeed, so if Austria and Russia are succeeding, that's gonna have negative knock-on effects for Poland (hence why they're fascist). He doesn't particularly like the Latin nations because of his experiences with them as an exchange student, and so I made them less important or relevant. If I'm combining his market liberalism with his favour for New England, I guess I'll just make a really big 20s America, and so Canada loses out as a result. And so on.
I made this map to be somewhat realistic, rather than just a flat wank of his preferred politics, so there has to be some complexities to it.

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LightningLynx89 In reply to Dain-Siegfried [2017-12-13 20:53:16 +0000 UTC]

Ah okay. Nice. Thanks for that. I may have to do something with people I know. It seems like a really cool idea to do. Thanks for the explanation.

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KitFisto1997 [2017-12-12 01:54:28 +0000 UTC]

This is cool! I might have a crack at doing my own 'ideal world map'

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Dain-Siegfried In reply to KitFisto1997 [2017-12-12 05:47:16 +0000 UTC]

Mm, they're very interesting things to make. I doubt this is actually Edward's truly 'ideal' world, but it's my application of his politics and thoughts. No idea how I'd make my own; every time I get an interest in a country I start reading about them and find something I really hate about them. But I'd probably have a Hashemite Arabia, an independent Vermont, a strong France, among other peculiar things. 

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KitFisto1997 In reply to Dain-Siegfried [2017-12-12 06:28:39 +0000 UTC]

I'm doing my own version now... Plenty of international 'free ports' and other libertarian AH tropes.

Not to mention a British monarchy in-exile in Australia.

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