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Description ... in just one year.


It was a cold day in February. I can still remember that day.

It wasn't that busy at my job. Just another day of mostly waiting for feedback. So I took the liberty to surf around the internet for a bit. Like every day before, I checked DeviantArt. I had posted some art some while ago. I submitted it to some groups, but didn't quite get the response that I hoped for. Let alone; the feedback. It's hard to get feedback on your art. Nowadays most people just fave and run, or tell you that your work is awesome (which is sweet, of course) without any further explanation. Most of the art forums that I used to reside on, where either dead, or I'd outgrown the user-base so much that I was at the point that there weren't any more talented users that could give me feedback anymore. If I had to wrap it up in just one word: Frustrating. That's what is was.


Of course I had my idols on DeviantArt. Famous people like yuumei en sakimichan whose watchers hit those astronomical 5 numbers and never seemed short of feedback. But also smaller people like Ysa, neonoi, SeraphVenaticus (formerly SeraphLimonade), K-Koji , Suzanne-Helmigh , AishaxNekox (who later left the site), TotenVeloren (who also left), Flayu , BrittanyWillows  or sionra (If some of you read this by any chance, because you're notified. Thanks a lot for the inspiration). People that probably had never seen me, or heard of me, because I mostly behaved as a silent lurker around their pages. I sometimes did reply to them. But as, over time, I never got a reply back, it just felt pointless commenting on their stuff. I couldn't say anything other than all those other people already said. And they must've heard they were amazing for over a million times already. 


Yeah, I knew some of those 'famous' artist. One them being a girl that was on the same forum as me. Her drawings didn't look that much better than mine, yet she was insanely popular on the internet. When I asked her about the secret how she did it, she told me there was no such thing as a secret. She had been on DeviantArt for years, spend a lot of time in the chatboxes, and therefore gained a lot of friends. That her art was pretty decent did help her, yet it wasn't the reason why she accumulated so many followers. At that time, I didn't spend too much time thinking about it. I just accepted the fact that my art probably sucked and I needed to get better, and I went along with my practice. I sought some groups that were aimed to giving feedback to (beginning) artists, so I could at least get some feedback on how to improve, and just went on.


The turning point was that February day. I had just accumulated my 500th watcher. As a matter of fact; the counter hit 501 when I logged off that day. When I looked at the counter the next day, it fell back to 499. 

Looking back now, the whole thing seems like a non-issue. I mean; there were people dying from hunger all over the world, the economy collapsed and left many people jobless, and I was worrying about a stupid counter. But back then, 1 watcher was one person less that could give me feedback. And I did already get so little feedback. Regardless all the effort I took in improving art, people chose to unwatch me. They weren't probably interested in my art anymore. And that was what bothered me. 


Up until then, I never thought about what would make those so-called idols so popular. I always assumed that it was their art. They were good with art, I wasn't. That was why they were popular, and I wasn't. But when I became a bit better in art myself, and took a closer look, I would learn that after a certain amount, the number of watchers had little to do with the quality of their art. Of course, there was a certain quality standard that had to be met in order to be popular. A simple stick-man wouldn't just cut it. But the quality standard wasn't that damn high. You didn't need to be the next Da Vinci in order to get noticed. Not at all.

The next few things that came to mind were either luck or fanart. But my background in marketing learned that there was no such thing as sheer luck. From a marketing standpoint even fanart was just a well aimed product at a target group that was obviously represented on DeviantArt. And all that thinking brought me back to a social media workshop I had attended for my job a few months before that. A workshop in which the teachers explicitly told there was no such thing as good product or a bad product to market. But that marketing was all about targeting the right group of people and reminding them that you were there, a lot. A whole damn lot. Social media experts said that, in order to be active on a site like Facebook, you had to post at least twice a week, to remind your followers you were there. Yeah, I can hear you thinking... that's a whole damn lot.


From that point on, I decided that it would be fun to start some kind of social media experiment. I'm curious by nature. I've always been so. And I had indeed been feeling a bit bored lately.


The medium of my choice was DeviantArt. A site that I was already pretty familiar around, but was yet known little about by social media experts. The reason for that? Probably because DeviantArt has a very specific target group and therefore isn't that interesting to many big company's. Nevertheless, it was interesting to me. I was an artist. 

The "product" was simple. It was something I had already been working on for years; my art. And more specifically, the art that revolved my project; Emion. Sure, I could've changed the subject. I could've made a lot of fanart in order to get a bigger target group (Regardless of what people say; DeviantArt is still aimed towards fanart -- all research shows that). But I wanted to stay true to myself. I never really enjoyed making fanart myself, so why would I do that now? I'd like to stay true to myself.


So I started following the "guidelines" as they were described by many social media experts all over the internet. Posting often -- not as often as 2 times a week, though. I didn't have the time, nor the inspiration, to produce 2 artworks a week while keeping quality consistent. I replied to people on forums, actively. Started posting at the right times, on which many people were online. I gave out llama's to many people. I wrote critiques and elaborate comments on artworks. I tried getting my works up and featured in journals and groups. I actively thanked every single new watcher. And gradually, I came to know many more people.


Half February, I reached 700 watchers . In just 2 weeks I had accumulated 200 more followers. More than I'd got in a year, before the whole marketing experiment. I was quite satisfied. But as curious as I was, I wanted to keep this up and see how far it would get me. Regardless of the results, something like that would be a great learning experience. And it honestly was.


Although I wasn't entirely unfamiliar with the concept of marketing already, I could not have foreseen the madness that this one-man-show brought me. 

And with madness I mean; madness. Literally. 

I learned soon enough that when you draw a lot of attention to yourself, you have to phrase your words carefully. And that not everybody can appreciate the slightly provoking way of debate that's so normal here in the Netherlands. I learned about the journal portal in a painful way. I learned about journals going viral, about 10.000 people reading such a thing in less than 24 hours, and about the buzz it brings to the community. About articles that even spread to other social media, like Facebook, Twitter and Tumblr. But I also learned those things are a great tool for uniting the community, for spreading love, starting discussions about important subjects, and giving unknown artists a chance to get their art out there. A chance they wouldn't have had otherwise. A chance that I would've loved to had when I was still struggling with getting feedback.


I learned that popularity isn't all fun, even though many people tell you you're awesome. That's it's hard expressing your opinion without getting massive hate. And that you shouldn't bother about every single person hating you, because the more people will know you, the more will hate you -- and some of those people will hate you for the stupidest reasons. I learned to stand up for myself and my opinion, even though my thoughts might be controversial. I learned how to have reasonable discussions in English, even though it's not my first language. But the most important thing that I learned is that those words... my very thoughts, that are so simple for me to write down, have the power to inspire many people out there.


In some way, I learned to see the other side. I can seriously imagine famous people going insane. Because the idea that you're in a glass cage and everybody is watching every step you do, is indeed quite suffocating. I'm only known for my art on the internet by a few people. I haven't got crowds of fans waiting for me everywhere I go. In real life I'm only a fairly known webdeveloper. And even I have experienced that suffocating feeling. I've gained a great deal of respect for famous people here, on DeviantArt, that are able to handle it, and are able to make their career out of it. Because I can honestly say that I wouldn't be able to do it. I don't have the same strength. 

I can see the other side now, of those people not answering their messages. When I'm away for the weekend, I have about 2000 new messages pending. I now have automatic systems running that make a selection in the messages that I need to answer, to be able to handle the inbox flooding (Yeah... I should've hired someone. But I'm broke XD). And even then I sometimes completely forget some messages (I'm sorry T__T). From experience I can tell that, when you hit the 1000+ watchers, you won't be able to recognize them anymore. I often see icons popping up in my inbox from people that say they know me, but I have no idea who they were. Not because I don't care, but because I simply cannot remember all those faces. Imagine yourself. Can you remember 20.000 people by name? Hell... I work at a company with only 90 people and even there I don't know all people by name. So for the people that wonder "That popular artist hates me, because he does not reply to my message". He probably doesn't hate you. He either doesn't know you, or simply lacks time to respond to every individual message. It's sad, but it's something that comes naturally.


What is kinda disturbing on DeviantArt, is that the number of watchers does somehow determine the amount of respect you get on this website. I can still remember being my messages either being ignored or being seen as rather unimportant. While lately, what I say seem to make so much more of an impact than it did before. I've gotten into contact with popular artists, people working for Wacom, programmers that work for DeviantArt and senior members, who surprisingly take my input seriously. People that I would never have been able to reach before. Which is... pretty much insane, if you ask me. It's not like I've become an entirely different person over the last few months. I've just gotten a bit older (and wiser, hopefully).


It's been a year since then. 


And over time, I've surpassed many of the old idols I had. It's not that I look down on them now. It's more that I came to an understanding. That being well known isn't always that fun as it seems from the outside, and that they probably had their reasons for not answering my messages. I'm nowadays getting the same "you are so awesome"-messages as I used to send to those idols, back in the days. If I have to believe those messages, then for some people I might've become the same kind of idol as those people were to me. Yet I've never been feeling more small and humble than now, because I realize the impact of the position that I'm in. And it's scaring me, sometimes.


The moral of this story?

Honestly, I don't know. I started writing this article to tell people about my experience and to thank them for sticking around with me. But it might be hopeful to many of you to know that there's no such thing as supernatural luck required to get out there. What you see here, is pure. It's a one-man-show. It's me, writing to you. I didn't spend tons of money on advertising. I didn't hire expensive marketeers to work for me and promote my project. Heck... I don't even have money for that! All the knowledge I used, whether it's about art, social media, marketing or writing software... I got it from articles on the internet. For free. 

I was never promoted by DeviantArt's staff. I'm probably one of the few reasonably known DeviantArt members out there that was never rewarded a Daily Deviation, and was not even once mentioned at their Facebook page. And concluding from the unwillingness to solve my recent login issues, even after reporting many times, I can only say that they either dislike my approach or are completely apathetic to it. I am, to some account, just like many of you. A curious artist that wants to present her ideas to the world. I'm not rich, I wasn't born with any spectacular talent, and most of my knowledge comes from the internet. With enough patience and persistence, any of you would be able to do the exact same.


What I do want to say to you is; Thank you.

Thank you for sticking around for so long. For your kind words, your support, and replies. Even though I can't respond to every one of them, I certainly read them all. And even though you may think otherwise, I always enjoy reactions on my artworks, even though you might feel you have nothing new to say. Thank you for your continuous support on the Emion project, and for the feedback on the storylines and characters. Although this whole activity-thing was just started as a simple experiment to see if more interaction really helps on social media, I honestly enjoyed the experience, and I hope you'll stick around for much longer.




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Comments: 689

Lonacc [2020-09-12 21:34:44 +0000 UTC]

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aeanian [2020-06-08 10:53:04 +0000 UTC]

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qwebsphotos [2019-08-05 23:05:09 +0000 UTC]

This was such an awesome read!

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May-Shad [2019-05-10 12:49:22 +0000 UTC]

a bit late on the boat i know, but somehow i ended up reading this journal today, and :


it inspired me to try and be more active so... just wanted to say thanks you for this ! ;;

i have the motivation potential of a frozen oyster though so it's won't be easy but i'll try i swear !

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JellySnek [2018-08-02 15:51:14 +0000 UTC]

tfw I have 9.000 views and 101 watchers only. I feel like people are indeed uninterested in anything I do.

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focamaster In reply to JellySnek [2018-12-28 01:50:34 +0000 UTC]

mm..

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DamaiMikaz In reply to JellySnek [2018-08-02 17:16:31 +0000 UTC]

You've only been here for a year. Things take time to build

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JellySnek In reply to DamaiMikaz [2018-08-02 17:32:03 +0000 UTC]

How long does it take? I am nto expecting to be next davinci but it's first time I do this thing :3

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gouyobobo In reply to JellySnek [2018-08-21 22:33:07 +0000 UTC]

That is great though ! You're on a good path so don't worry, i mean i have like 33 watchers or so, after 1 year as well.

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DamaiMikaz In reply to JellySnek [2018-08-02 17:44:47 +0000 UTC]

For me... years

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NekoSenshey [2018-07-12 19:25:52 +0000 UTC]

This was definitely a good read. I am also one of those who struggle, one who gave up a long time ago. Now I only upload something every few months to get maybe ten or so favorites and very rarely a comment. I studied marketing at college, and yes, I’ve been explained how to sell a product, yet it seems I’m unable to put it in practice. It makes me feel that I failed both as an artist and as a student! xD If you have any other advise apart from what you listed here it would be very welcome, I really need a small push forward. 
Thank you very much for encourage those who weren’t so lucky, this truly was worth reading~! 

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chewtoi [2018-07-01 03:41:25 +0000 UTC]

i absolutely need to stick by this
sometimes i feel like ill never be able to become as popular as some people, i see a lot of people with 500 watchers who have average art
but i also see that they comment on people's artworks and stay active in the community, something i really need to work on

thank you so much for making this, really! i havent seen many that have actually helped me but this was so inspirational,

keep on doing good for this community <33

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emptyaccount0 [2018-06-20 21:45:52 +0000 UTC]

wow, quite inspiring and insightful! Thank you for sharing and going into more detail other than just simply answering the question! What are your aspirations in your projects? For example, I hope to make my books movies. I think you are in inspiration to many young artists who want to create similar projects. like myself. BTW I can relate to the health struggle thing. I hope you are getting better and staying well!   

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DamaiMikaz In reply to emptyaccount0 [2018-06-23 11:01:32 +0000 UTC]

I don't have any particular goals in mind. I'm not in the game for the job or the money. I just want to finish writing my book because I love writing, and then perhaps publish it one day

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emptyaccount0 In reply to DamaiMikaz [2018-06-23 17:59:03 +0000 UTC]

thats wonderful! that sounds like a great goal! --I am sorry, I didn't intent to imply that you were in it for the money. I didn't think that at all.   .... thanks again for sharing your valuable experience!

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DamaiMikaz In reply to emptyaccount0 [2018-06-23 21:28:17 +0000 UTC]

I didn't get that implication from your post specifically, but a lot of people seem to think that I'm in art to somehow become a pro. It's what people expect when you reach a certain level, I guess.
Me... I'm just obsessed with my hobbies as much as with everything else in life XD

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emptyaccount0 In reply to DamaiMikaz [2018-06-24 18:09:03 +0000 UTC]

hmm.. interest that people are speculating that ...Glad you enjoy your work! thats most important. I respect your passion and helpful nature. I think you are unusual. Thank you for sharing!   

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HeroineAdventures [2018-06-09 23:57:17 +0000 UTC]

And now its over 90'000

But you say it as it is: It's not really about the art but how popular you are. Not sure if I like that : /

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bluebend [2017-07-30 15:37:00 +0000 UTC]

That was a very interesting read, it was both enlightening and a little...sad too. Not sure if that's the right word for it but thank you for sharing it.

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tropicolds [2017-07-02 20:38:33 +0000 UTC]

I understand your point, but on deviantart the standards are high enough to intimidate you, since it's not a random site where you can make a page and post images, like instagram or tumblr. It's one of the main places where designers/artists/writers etc meet. That's why I believe that publishing ugly art on the internet (or, at least here) shows lack of respect for the "big" ones. (Not saying that what I do is good, but I carefully pick what is ok to be seen and what isn't.)

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Art2gn In reply to tropicolds [2017-07-21 21:51:24 +0000 UTC]

I think I understand what you say. I agree with you, I don't want to be pretentious too but for me I feel kind of hurge by the pressure to be noticed. Even I don't abuse the submission, I still submit art that are far from what I should really expect from my porfolio. I end up submiting things that are too often a desapointement to me but forced to submit just to not lose the « game ». And I feel very cheap for that. Just like Llamas count or every tactics like scripts and unwritten rules... I mean c'mon. Just that your profil icon is a girl, I will not only Llamas you, but watch as well check it out ! If only it was like terrorism stategy (you know like posting tons of ugly stuff to get notice and then spead a message) but it look like many use this to generate income. I might be wrong. But hey, the strongest survive they say.

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DamaiMikaz In reply to tropicolds [2017-07-04 13:10:32 +0000 UTC]

DeviantArt standards?
If there was such a thing I could've never been able to post my art here ever. Let's be honest... the largest part of DA are amateurs or hobbyist. About 99% of 'em. The ones you admire are the 1% that are really good and therefore have a lot of following (so they seem larger than they are). There's no "shaming the big people" since most of this community are hobbyists. It's always been that way. 

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SpudShark [2017-02-21 01:08:39 +0000 UTC]

This is an extremely inspiring piece of writing. I love your will and your determination. The fact that you weren't willing to accept that "better" artists just got more popular. The fact you believed that there was "No such thing as sheer luck." That kind of diligence just inspires me to push my limits and my ability as an artist. Thank you so much for this galvanising work!

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ParanoiiidA [2016-11-29 11:11:30 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for sharing your experience. These are valuables ideas for everyone !

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chinchongcha In reply to ParanoiiidA [2016-11-29 17:26:51 +0000 UTC]

  

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Halfa-Sleep [2016-10-30 11:51:42 +0000 UTC]

That was a really amazing read! I don't usually read a lot of journals but this one really captivated me

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m0t10nl3ss-cyb3rh3x [2016-10-04 01:52:48 +0000 UTC]

Here! I'll help you out! (+1 watcher)

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chinchongcha In reply to m0t10nl3ss-cyb3rh3x [2016-11-29 17:25:45 +0000 UTC]

Hello Could you help me too?

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m0t10nl3ss-cyb3rh3x In reply to chinchongcha [2016-11-29 23:31:14 +0000 UTC]

Sure!

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EbolaSparkleBear [2016-09-09 02:46:57 +0000 UTC]

I linked to here like 20 times this week. I hope there is an uptick in views and faves.

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dualzxz In reply to EbolaSparkleBear [2016-09-09 07:22:15 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, sent it to me too lol
The badge thing and I'll try to post once a week. Though how do I know WHEN to post? 

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EbolaSparkleBear In reply to dualzxz [2016-09-09 16:46:37 +0000 UTC]

When you're best able to maintain a schedule.

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Obelis In reply to dualzxz [2016-09-09 13:38:45 +0000 UTC]

world.deviantart.com/

This site shows what happens on dA live; the amount of comments, faves, watches etc. given in one second. Visit it several times a day for a week or two and you will notice tendencies: some hours have over 30 comments given per second, others only have 4-8. This way, you will find out the best hours for yourself to post. For me, it's around 8-10 pm.

Also, commenting on other people's art actively makes wonders! Actually, I got ALL of my loyal watchers (those who comment on almost every deviation of mine) by commenting on them. Inactive watchers are gained by llamas and such.

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dualzxz In reply to Obelis [2016-09-09 21:08:12 +0000 UTC]

OK, thanks!  it's about 9 pm for me when it's best so.
And yeah I'll try commenting on people's work. Uploading regularly is hard for me though... 

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CouchKroc [2016-09-03 14:27:35 +0000 UTC]

This is a pretty good read man, very interesting.

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pyroclii [2016-08-08 13:13:26 +0000 UTC]

This! Is! True!
 
My friend had a deviantArt (why I was inspired to join) and was an amazing artist but only had around 20 watchers, and none were too active. :/ she felt really disheartened, as she'd been on the site for around 3 years. I kept trying to tell her that sometimes it was hit or miss but she wouldn't hear of it. She ended up deactivating her account, which still had 2 years of premium membership left. I felt so sorry to her because sometimes it just takes people commenting on your art to make you a bit more secure in your talent.

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chinchongcha In reply to pyroclii [2017-06-18 17:44:19 +0000 UTC]

Hello

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Hekate-Avesta [2016-07-03 23:12:15 +0000 UTC]

Damn, I was looking for someone who'd be bold enough to talk about this topic for a long time. I had a different account on dA some time ago and I've noticed the same things you've mentioned.

BTW, it can be difficult when you have a very low self-esteem and posting stuff on DeviantArt, receiving comments etc. makes you feel better - but you aren't popular enough so you just think that your art sucks. It's like an addiction... Or perhaps I'm just vain

Anyway, I would like to thank you for this journal. It feels good to know that someone shares the same observations and it's not only my own imagination.

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DamaiMikaz In reply to Hekate-Avesta [2016-07-04 09:48:16 +0000 UTC]

If you have low self esteem, you should fix the issue where it's at. 
No amount of watchers or external praise will fix you if you have self esteem issues. It's only foolish to assume that it does. 

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Hekate-Avesta In reply to DamaiMikaz [2016-07-04 10:44:22 +0000 UTC]

That's very true. It may seem like the easy way though and I bet many artists do that.

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DamaiMikaz In reply to Hekate-Avesta [2016-07-04 11:15:48 +0000 UTC]

It'll totally destroy you if you do, though.
Most people underestimate how much hate comes with fame. 

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stjarnor [2016-06-19 23:07:04 +0000 UTC]

This was a wonderful, very insightful read!! I've heard a lot of this before, but I'm a bit of a lazy butt who won't take the advice of socializing! I feel almost relieved to hear your success story didn't involve luck (something I've been lamenting for a while, that I'm an 'unlucky' young artist, I'm not a fan art person either) and to see that interaction really is the key to artistic success. I'm really impressed, too, by how much exposure you gained from your experiment, that's really an awesome achievement!!

This has definitely inspired me to go out and talk to other artists online, if not to gain exposure but to meet more people in the artistic community!

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DamaiMikaz In reply to stjarnor [2016-06-20 08:06:01 +0000 UTC]

There's always some luck involved. Some styles are more liked than others, some people meet the right people early on and some don't... but other than that it's mostly perseverance. 
I wouldn't consider myself particularly lucky in that aspect. I wasn't among those artists that got promoted to hell because DA's staff liked me (and I'm still not).

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stjarnor In reply to DamaiMikaz [2016-06-20 18:45:56 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I figured, seems that way with a lot of younger teenagers who draw in that one 'tumblr' style. Seems you got where you are through perseverance!

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DamaiMikaz In reply to stjarnor [2016-06-21 09:46:24 +0000 UTC]

Yeah... there's a generic style with cute women and flashy colors that is liked a lot these days.
I don't happen to fall into that style. And quite frankly; I'm okay with it. I love my current style

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Bringz [2016-06-06 03:51:57 +0000 UTC]

A pretty fascinating account.

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canttel [2016-06-04 16:28:33 +0000 UTC]

"Only 500 watchers"
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but good journal tho really helps alot.

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DamaiMikaz In reply to canttel [2016-06-20 07:57:48 +0000 UTC]

It took me ages to even get there, tbh

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Captain-Torr [2016-05-10 16:39:39 +0000 UTC]

I have now read this post, it was interesting but it doesn't quit address my issues. Agreed I am deeply discouraged and lack motivation now. I'm still considering just quitting because if I'm my only client, I'm not going to grow. I was off to an awesome start when I joined DeviantArt but as time has gone on, it seem that I'm just skipped over now and am paid no mind at all. Granted I'm not helping myself, I'm allowing too many distractions including my job. Thanks for the help and this post was at least a little comfort. I'll try to stick with it and perhaps your right maybe I need to post in other social outlets and try to get more coverage. Thanks for trying to cheer me up.

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DamaiMikaz In reply to Captain-Torr [2016-06-20 08:02:58 +0000 UTC]

You need a lot of perseverance. A whole lot. People often underestimate how much.  

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