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Lily-Hedgehog [2008-05-25 02:42:11 +0000 UTC]
wow Elson I'm so impressed at your work X3 you're getting better each page you posted up. Looking strong and awesome keep up the good work.
omg it's Duke :3 *fan girl! <3 *huggles him* so kawaii...
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KACItheCAT [2008-05-25 00:58:14 +0000 UTC]
Do you do this stuff on the comp or do you use all that cool fancy manga stuff?
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cabbit-dylan [2008-05-24 18:25:19 +0000 UTC]
^_^ Very cool action scene! Nicely done!
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lovesanime95 [2008-05-24 04:04:56 +0000 UTC]
oh man...
DUKE NOOBS PWNS!!!!!!!!
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Backjack-Kitsune [2008-05-24 03:40:55 +0000 UTC]
well at least he didn't dodge it lol nice expresion work on the characters
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cutegirlmayra [2008-05-24 01:00:50 +0000 UTC]
micaela: GET'EM!! COME ON! PUCH TO THE LEFT! -puches with her own sound effects-
me: fighting...and more fighting....THIS THINGS GREAT!
lolz I like it! XD still waiting for ruby!
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Emily-Young [2008-05-23 21:20:31 +0000 UTC]
Whoa looks like Duke is tougher then he looks! And smarter then he looks!O.O Come on Stream! Kick his butt! No wonder Stream trained Ruby! He knows how tough Duke can be! Maybe he wants her to face off agasint him! >83
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HeadShot-X [2008-05-23 20:53:08 +0000 UTC]
'Tis awesome. Especially the first panel. It's nice to see all that action drawn so, how should I say... Beautifully! Stream and Duke are dancing as well as fighting.
I do have one sugestion, though. Try to make the tones on Duke a bit smaller. The way it is now, it looks like he has polkadot fur. It should be hard to see each individual dot, so it looks smoother.
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darkspeeds In reply to RyuTheHedgeWolf [2008-05-26 17:05:27 +0000 UTC]
Cheers dude. The webcomics career ain't an easy road to begin with but once you've established your work and got enough industry knowledge (that can be used in application to your business strategies in marketing your webcomic idea) you'll be well off in the future. *thumbs up*
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RyuTheHedgeWolf In reply to darkspeeds [2008-05-26 18:41:52 +0000 UTC]
Thanks dude, I hope to have this just start me off, then print these books out in the near future. Then just switch to full print.
So hopefully that\'ll happen, it\'s just, I need a colorist, because I think that it would look MUCH better in color, and I really don\'t have the time to do it.
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tigernogard [2008-05-23 19:18:50 +0000 UTC]
This is amazing, the action going on in each of the panels is incredible. I am absolutley favoriting this, excellent job keep up the good work.
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randomlyd [2008-05-23 18:49:19 +0000 UTC]
awesome =3
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taeshilh [2008-05-23 17:53:16 +0000 UTC]
First panel is awesome, I am digging it, especially with the flow of Stream's hair. It just sort of shows the power of his attack, as it creates a gush of wind even on him!
Panels three and four are positively confusing, though. I have no clue what is going on and I would suggest either trying to integrate the background more in your comic or trying at different angles. The third panel, for example, could probably work with them in a semi-aerial view? Right now it looks like Stream's flying up while the waves are being pushed down into the ground? Looking at it again, I can sort of see them in the ground, but the viper waves just looks really flat and like.. it's not really going towards Duke. Maybe it's also Duke's footing. It looks as if he's on top of a very high hill when they're meant to be dueling on a flat grassy ground?
I can't really see what Duke did there in the fourth panel. It just looks like he's making some fire or tearing up a bedsheet? I mean it's a cool pose and props for action shots, but there needs to be clearness as to what's going on. To be honest, I actually skimmed the third and fourth panels at first glance just to see what happened by reading what Stream said (I assumed he was going to tell us).. and it told me as predicted! The visuals should speak just as much as the words, if not wayyy more.
Maybe by practicing/mastering that technique, it could help with making scenes more powerful and just.. not using so much unnecessary dialogue! Like if we clearly saw Duke dodging or "shielding" from those attacks, maybe a "What?!" from Stream woulda been perfect. The audience saw the attack, his shock and expression should just tell the rest of the story. A face is a very very powerful tool.
Regardless, it's a great page. Are you posting all pages for DA to see? Or will you be reserving for those to actually buy the book to see how it'll turn out? Just wondering!
Also enjoy your Sydneylanding.
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darkspeeds In reply to taeshilh [2008-05-26 17:24:04 +0000 UTC]
(whoops)
If 10,000 people rock up for $1.00 US per month subscription then it will be revenue of $120,000 US per year for the web comic host. This will be split between them and the artists that contributed to the revenue minus costs. I'd be happy with getting 2,500 US a month just from updating my comic pages on a weekly basis.
Anyways cheers for the feedback, I'm actually quite happy with the dynamics of my angle shots. third panel used Fish eye lens technique that give it a more unique angle from a 'worms eye' view. The hills are curved making it less plain with the action flowing.
's advice about how some added sequencing panels of Duke's draw of the sword will paint a clearer picture of his action was something to take into consideration.
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taeshilh In reply to darkspeeds [2008-05-26 22:21:14 +0000 UTC]
Ahh, yes, sequencing is a wonderful piece of advice as well, it's just I assumed you were going through a structure of using a small amount of panels and having big scenes tell us what's going on, so I was more giving advice if you were gonna continue with that strategy, which sounds like you aren't! I'm not really complaining.. considering I am like the queen of like eighteen panels a page. I mean I'm told that I sequence way too much because I'm obsessed with timing, so it's surprising I haven't said that advice as well XD
Being happy with the "dynamics" of the angle shots doesn't mean it's gonna be comprehensible to the average reader~ I do admire the attempts and practice on such difficult angles, though. Maybe if doing weird angles, practice it on multiple occasions in another book? I have to do some big angles for Chapter 66 of my comic (It's very animated, it's gonna be such a pain to draw it when the time comes as there's two chapters preceding it) and I've been drawing them repeadetly. (Will probably still come out awful anyway, durpadurp)
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darkspeeds In reply to taeshilh [2008-05-26 17:16:09 +0000 UTC]
Sydney was great fun. Let's move on.
All pages will be available online for free. It will be classed as a 'web-comic'/'web manga' from now on.
According to what I've read from a book I've bought (i.e. 'The History of Web Comics' by T Campbell) I got some advice on ways to best market your comic concept in today's comic's industry. That is where I got the influence from on the decision to class TGAF a web comic. Theory wise if it's attractive enough in other areas of interest (web comic archives/hosting sites) it will bring more traffic and exposure. If it gets popular enough it may well be made into print with the support of potential publishers who can help best market your comic idea to the right audience (try Penny Arcade or Megatokyo for examples of this).
When it becomes a available for print fans and newcomers can buy the anthology/serialisation of the series from there.
From a web comics perspective if TGAF get's popular enough I can get the site hosters to have people subscribing the series (along with other comic-related series) at a cheap price. If 10,000 people rock up for $1.00 US per month subscription then it will be revenue of
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AgentWebdog [2008-05-23 17:09:13 +0000 UTC]
Wow~ What an awesome page. We get to see some of Stream's powerful abilities, then we get to see some of Duke's aswell! Though, I have to say, staring at the manga tones to long kind of give me a slight headache. (That or I just woke up, LOL!)
But I was wondering if I might make a suggestion. As a reader, it can occasionally be hard to tell exactly how something played out, and I figured it might be a good idea to do some sequencing panels, even as simple as a small one of Duke bringing his sword up, or just clenching the hilt, to give a more smooth feel of action.
Another thing I was thinking about, is maybe the possibility of doing some wide area panels, where it shows the entirity of the area between Duke, and Stream, so we can see exactly how the attack works from our own perspective.
Bah, or not. I just woke up so I'm probably just rambling on about nothing. *Waves hand* Ignore me! XD
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darkspeeds In reply to AgentWebdog [2008-05-26 17:28:53 +0000 UTC]
I really liked your advice on how I should add more sequencing panels to illustrate better of Duke's action with the rapier. Unfortunately I was following a strict concept of 'less means more' on manga/comic pages that presented some more intense fight scenes.
I was very tempted to add more but I just had to give the concept a shot. Now you have proven how it didn't work out too well so I thank you for that. I will see if I can animate my action sequences more in future (keep in mind the following 20 pages or so are already completed prior to submission so suggestions and improvements will take place in the new pages of TGAF series - i.e. the current chapter that is CHAPTER 06: Ashworth the Wombat!)
Cheers for the feedback as always buddy. *thumbs up*
Oh and the next page is out. [link]
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AgentWebdog In reply to darkspeeds [2008-05-26 18:55:50 +0000 UTC]
I see what you mean with the close and fast combat, definately. I think that's where it may be best to use any possible dramtic instances. Any moment where one or both of the fighters pause even for a brief second to recooperate themselves is when you really claw at the chance. Part of a fast and furious scene that gets the viewers heart beating (In almost any type of work, including Comics, Theatre, Film Making and Animating) are tastefully placed dramatic pauses. I can't say I know when those pauses would be myself, but even a single brief pause will give the reader a moment to get caught up and process exactly just what happened. Different Mangas used different styles to portray the pauses. DBZ used character powerups (Aaaaaaaah!) Bleach uses pauses where the character shows clear injury or blood, Naruto tends to show a brief stare-down, or one of the characters begining to promote one of there most powerful moves, and One Piece (Which I am only just starting to read) Tends to show Luffy or one of the StrawHat Gang pausing briefly to analyze a foe... even comically at times.
These seem to be important because it keeps the reader from getting lost, confused, bored, over-whelmed or frustrated. (It varies between person) and it almost makes them feel like they loathe your next great fight. Don't give up on the approach you're using here though, by all means. It just needs to get broken up a bit so the reader has time to catch up, and read in between the panels, so they have a moment to realize Oh.... Duke just deflected with his blade, by bringing it up. Stream's in trouble, what's going to happen next?
Sorry, I just thought it'd be important to put more clarification into what I meant when typed the last paragraph. I mean, the method above is a great way to in essance 'Cheat' so you don't have to sequence as much and you leave it up to the reader to draw the lines themselves which creates an 'everybody wins' sort of thing because not only do you get what you were aiming for, the reader also gets to connect themselves and see the manga in thier own way. But also at this point, I've veered off the original point. XD
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AgentWebdog In reply to AgentWebdog [2008-05-26 18:57:10 +0000 UTC]
O_o;
Umm....
Perhaps I should have summerized that better.
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SONICJENNY [2008-05-23 16:41:59 +0000 UTC]
cool i can't wait to have this comic part one just was the star of things ^_^
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kevintheman [2008-05-23 15:38:18 +0000 UTC]
Wow, right from the start, we already got a tense battle scene, so that's a great way to start off the page. Another big strength is the small cliffhanger at the final panel with the line itself and how the expression came out, leaving the reader thinking "What happens next? I can't wait to see the next page!", so well done on that.
For the other panels, the battles scenes are portrayed very well, and I really like the effects you put into them.
P.S. I'd love to go to Sydney one day! One of the places I'd like to visit is the Sydney Opera House since it looks awesome.
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Foxy-Sierra [2008-05-23 12:14:01 +0000 UTC]
Wow, Duke's a power house! OwO
I love the awesome action scenes X3
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Amaranth-Pink [2008-05-23 10:54:26 +0000 UTC]
This is starting to turn DBZ-ish.
OH HIS POWER LEVEL IS OVER NINE THOUSAND
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SoftKeychains In reply to darkspeeds [2008-05-23 22:42:54 +0000 UTC]
Be expecting another series to be worked alongside with TGAF project
OOU....
Are you planning to create another series?....
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