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Description The Conquistador Hernan Cortes. Done for the pending '1500 - The New World', a board game which DVG will be producing. 
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pytko3 [2019-07-31 08:32:22 +0000 UTC]

One of the greatest men who ever lived. 

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Wertyla [2016-12-22 23:55:11 +0000 UTC]

Awesome!

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GreyhawkTheAngry [2016-10-02 23:49:25 +0000 UTC]

I've always hated how bad of a rap this guy gets.  He obviously was no saint, but he wasn't the monster that people nowadays seem to think he was.

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SpicecreamSundae In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2018-01-22 22:14:19 +0000 UTC]

Oh my, I completely agree. In all truth ... Francisco Pizarro was the real monster everyone thinks Cortes was. I mean, the Aztecs weren't ... great.

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GreyhawkTheAngry In reply to SpicecreamSundae [2018-01-23 00:40:50 +0000 UTC]

That's a name I remember.

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SpicecreamSundae In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2018-01-23 00:41:15 +0000 UTC]

Yeah ...

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xxAnimexChocolatexx In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2017-01-17 14:42:10 +0000 UTC]

Compared to his contemporary times especially how the conquistadors dealt with Peru, this is true.

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Wertyla In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2016-12-22 23:55:46 +0000 UTC]

That's probably true of most of the historical white men that get ridiculed in colleges now.

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GreyhawkTheAngry In reply to Wertyla [2016-12-25 01:00:40 +0000 UTC]

Aye, but in Cortes' case a lot of that actually dates back to his era as anti-Spanish propaganda coming from Spain's political enemies of that time period, England and France.  Cortes was by no means a saint, he was a soldier after all.  But he wasn't driven by insatiable greed and bloodlust like many seem to still believe.

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SpicecreamSundae In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2018-01-22 22:15:00 +0000 UTC]

//cough//Pizarro//cough

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Wertyla In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2016-12-27 03:54:49 +0000 UTC]

I actually got into an accidental historical discussion with a co-worker today and he brought up the subject out of nowhere, saying that the conquistadors did South America a favor, actually, because the Mayans and Aztecs were incredibly brutal people. It surprised me to hear that from him, because he looks college age and lives in a heavily political liberal area, and those tend to be the types to claim that all imperialism, colonialism and conquest was utterly evil.

I guess, in the end, Cortes was just like all of us: not a saint, but not 100% despicable, either... somewhere in the middle.

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GreyhawkTheAngry In reply to Wertyla [2016-12-28 04:49:08 +0000 UTC]

Indeed.

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xxAnimexChocolatexx In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2016-10-23 01:11:58 +0000 UTC]

Second that. You know what history teachers always say: Never look at history with a modern lens.

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Wertyla In reply to xxAnimexChocolatexx [2016-12-22 23:56:48 +0000 UTC]

I prefer old-fashioned lenses anyway! That's why I LOVE primary sources... It's much more fun to hear history from the era's own words, not the words of some modern professor with an agenda.

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GreyhawkTheAngry In reply to xxAnimexChocolatexx [2016-10-23 02:21:06 +0000 UTC]

True, but in Cortes' case a lot of his "crimes" against the the native population are actually inaccuracies based on propaganda made up by Spain's political enemies of that time: England and France.

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xxAnimexChocolatexx In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2017-01-17 14:17:41 +0000 UTC]

Sorry this is a late reply.

I don't know much sources from England or France that contributed to the whole "Black Legend" thing that makes the Spanish look horrific and terrible than they were. I only know the 'primary' sources that were told by Spanish chronicles (particularly Bernal Diaz). Could you give me some examples because i'm curious about it. 

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ARMANDO-R In reply to xxAnimexChocolatexx [2017-05-03 06:13:05 +0000 UTC]

There's a book called "Tree of hate" by Phillip Wayne Powell which gives us a little insight about the Black Legend.

Also the BBC made a documentary about the myths of the Spanish Inquisition here's the link: youtu.be/AeK4nPqZlOI

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GreyhawkTheAngry In reply to xxAnimexChocolatexx [2017-01-19 06:36:51 +0000 UTC]

That would be hard to do, as this info dates back to highschool and I'm no kid anymore, plus I'm in the middle of tracking down citations and info for a different...project.  Perhaps in the future I can help.

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Wertyla In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2016-12-22 23:57:17 +0000 UTC]

How much of history do you think is true and how much is lies?

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GreyhawkTheAngry In reply to Wertyla [2016-12-25 01:03:29 +0000 UTC]

I dunno, you looking for an exact ratio or something?

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Wertyla In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2016-12-27 03:48:20 +0000 UTC]

I don't know... A rough estimate, if you can give one. It's not a very serious question. I'm not writing a paper on the subject.

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GreyhawkTheAngry In reply to Wertyla [2016-12-28 04:48:23 +0000 UTC]

Can't say I have an answer to that.  I certainly don't think every or even most widely accepted details of historical events are false, but given how things happening today can be twisted and misunderstood by many people its no surprise that we can get past events that predated things like cameras wrong now and then.

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Wertyla In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2016-12-30 16:01:04 +0000 UTC]

I've noticed more blatant twisting on history in the past few years than I can imagine happening before, and it is leading people to assume that all of their ancestors were bigoted idiots. It's quite a shame. If you read primary sources from the time periods in question, most of the people you read about seem reasonable, at least on the surface, and were very intelligent.

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GreyhawkTheAngry In reply to Wertyla [2016-12-31 22:21:20 +0000 UTC]

Aye, there is an agenda in academia as a whole, a lack of impartiality and open thinking, higher learning in particular.  I'm hopeful that we may be seeing a decline in that soon.

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Wertyla In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2017-01-01 15:46:17 +0000 UTC]

Agreed. How ironic it is that colleges, the places where you would expect the most debate and intellectual discussion, are now the places where you are least free to say what is on your mind. Another user on this website, whose views actually line up more with the average college professor's more than most, said that a fellow student actually called the campus police on him after he disagreed with them about what form of government is best. The offending statement was something like, "Anarchy leads to chaos."

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GreyhawkTheAngry In reply to Wertyla [2017-01-03 03:06:08 +0000 UTC]

Whats even sadder is that I don't doubt that story at all.

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Wertyla In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2017-01-04 17:22:13 +0000 UTC]

Neither do I. In fact, most legitimate news stories now seem like they should be satire, so it's hard to know what to doubt.

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Centurion030 In reply to Wertyla [2017-01-06 05:17:23 +0000 UTC]

That's a fact...

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BlackRain1678 In reply to GreyhawkTheAngry [2016-10-15 22:37:35 +0000 UTC]

Amen

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