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At first, I thought this image is from when Saito abandoned Ferid for the first time...That emotion!
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i think its the first time I think Ferid is < 👍: 0 ⏩: 0
Ferid was so disappointed. I wonder if he is tormenting Ferid by absolutely not killing him no matter what.
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This is the first time I've ever seen Ferid show such an emotion. It's like he wants to die by his sire's hand but Saito merely brushes him off like he wasn't even worth the effort which must have struck him hard because he's not used to being treated with indifference.
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Same here. His expression goes from glee to one that is abjectly crestfallen. I wonder if all of this really is to catch Saito's attention. Both Ferid and Saito are running around in the Catastrophe light novels, but it looks like they never met each other.
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Like you said, Ferid is the kind of person who rather have people hate him if not like him as long as they feel something for him; he cannot stand to be ignored or treated with indifference. In that way, he is sort of like Lestat of the Anne Rice novels. It seems that just like Ferid is trying to catch Saito's attention, Saito himself is trying to catch the attention of the first progenitor.
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All they want is a parent's love!
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Its kind of funny when you say parent because physically, Ferid and Saito look the same age and Krul actually looks younger than Mika, lol. I was checking out the Owari wiki and I noticed a discrepancy on Saito's profile. It says he's 1,000 years old but that can't be if he's the one who sired Ferid who is over 2,000 years old. Not much is known about the first progenitor except that he's a male and must be really old.
Human psychology is a strange thing; even children who claim to despise their parents still subconsciously crave for their attention. The seraph vampires are really no different. Saito points out that Urd upholds the rules set down by the first progenitor even though he knows their sire abandoned them both as well as Krul.
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I don't know where people are getting the info for the ages from, but they keep editing them on there. That information could be wrong, so take it with a grain of salt. The only vampire ages confirmed are Mika's and Crowley's because they're relatively young main characters.
That's true. It also seems that Urd's just a nice guy, though. His humans got to wear a variety of clothes and do arts and culture. He also got onto Ferid when Ferid jumped Kimizuki, even though Ferid had just received a serious injury.
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Yes, I notice Urd is strangly nice for a vampire. He chooses to catch Krul when Saito pulls her out of the wall and throws her rather then cut her in half even though he knows it won't kill her. What's great about Seraph is that there are good and bad people on both sides of the war and you can't always tell who's who and what's what.
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Right. Urd appears to be the most powerful of the vampires and effectively the leader, which makes me want to side with the vampires much more than the Hiragi. I was shocked there were actually decent people out there.
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Urd may be the current leader of the vampires with the first progenitor missing but he still seems weaker than Saito. I think he chooses to uphold the rules set by the founder even when he knows his sire abandoned them to keep order among the vampires so they don't turn on each other or intervene in human affairs before the war broke out. Since Urd doesn't come in till pretty late in the manga, we don't know much about him. Does he appear in the LNs?
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I haven't seen Urd in the LNs yet. Both LN series are still on-going, though. Both Saito and Ferid are in them.
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Isn't it kind of odd to have a prequel and current main story still on-going? I know the LNs are a prequel to the manga/anime so I assumed they were complete.
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Yes, it is odd. And, yes, that's how it's going. Takaya Kagami is working on four series at once, last I checked. Three of them are Seraph. The Catastrophe LNs star Guren and are the prequels happening in the year of the Apocalypse. We get to learn about demons, the JIDA, the Hyakuya, and the Hiragi in them! Book 6, which comes out in the third omnibus next month, covers up to the week of Christmas, so the next book or the next two have a good chance of completing the series. It also looks like Kagami-sensei is spending must longer on creating book 7 than any of the previous ones. The only way I could see Catastrophe going on longer than that would be if Kagami-sensei wrote about adapting to life after the Apocalypse as well. Judging by how he COMPLETELY SKIPPED OVER those adapting-to-life events right after Guren first picks up Yu and takes him in as well as that huge gap of 3-4 months with Mika, Shinoa, and co. all getting used to each other and surviving out in the wild, I doubt this will happen. He also skips how Guren adapts to life after becoming the head of the Ichinose Clan. He skipped Mika's life as well, but he's making up for that with the Michaela LNs, so he gets a pass for that. Maybe he just doesn't like writing more slice-of-life moments and just wants to focus on drama?
The Michaela LNs occur between manga chapters 1 and 2, technically speaking. However, they are most told as flashbacks thus far. I suppose they could also be considered a prequel.
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As a writer, I would find it too complicated to work on a prequel and main story at the same time. Any writer who chooses to do that has to be real careful to avoid plot holes and inconsistencies. Personally, I prefer writing the prequel first, then the main story after I complete it and the sequel after.
Guren is the type of character you would either really like or dislike, I think. He's handsome, confident, and a gifted commander but at the same time arrogant, deceptive, and not above lying to achieve his goals. I see his relationship with Yuu as the love-hate type. He may be softer on Yuu if Yuu was a girl and maybe not act like a jerk so much.
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Me, too. I'd get lost. Characters always change as they grow and the story progresses, too. If you're not careful, they end up OOC if you stick really hard to your original script. It's different if there is a HUGE time gap with different characters between the series and you already know what's going to happen, though.
I never liked Guren as a character at first. I started to like him more after reading the Catastrophe LNs and seeing him with his squad in the manga. He's both Yu's foster parent and the person using him as a weapon and tool. With Guren, that's really hard to say. I'm not sure he would treat men and women differently. His greatest opponent in Catastrophe was a girl, after all. She practically wiped out half of the JIDA branches and defeated their strongest members without a whole lot of help. She also created the Cursed Gear they depend so heavily on today. I don't think he would necessarily be more restrained around a chick. He grabbed Shinoa and Mitsuba by the necks pretty quickly when he put their squad together.
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Guren is only 8 years older than Yuu so I see them in more of an older/younger brother relationship instead of father/son. His heart may be in the right place but his methods are questionable at best. Like Krul with Mika, Guren does care about Yuu even if he was using him but at least Krul didn't try to hide it with Mika. I think Guren might be a bit different towards a girl he was acting as a guardian towards. He was rough with Shinoa and Mitsuba because they were fighting but didn't hurt them too bad. I don't think he would have stuck Yuu across the face the way he did for not killing Mika in Shinjuku if he was a girl, maybe slapped her at most. I've toyed with AU ideas for fics. One idea I had was how the story would have progressed if Yuu and Mika's roles were reversed, like what kind of relationship Mika would have had with Guren as his guardian and mentor as well as what kind of relationship Yuu might have had with Krul as his dame. I'm pretty sure Yuu would have tried her patience much more with his temper and impulsiveness.
Another idea I had was with either Yuu or Mika as girls or both. I like the idea of exploring how the story might have progressed if Yuu was a girl since Ferid keeps referring him as Mika's 'princess'. Or what kind of relationship Yuu might have had with Guren if he was a girl or Mika with Krul, Lacus and Rene if he was a girl. Lots of ideas but not much time to go over them lol
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Guren is way more mature than Yu was at Yu's age. The humans are deceptive, but at least the vampires are honest about what they want and what's going on.
I can't see Yu waiting until he's 16 to become a true vampire. He gives into his desires easily, and what he wants most is power.
Genderbending is fun, too. For the most part, I don't think the characters in question would act all that differently. The exception might be the humans toward Mika and Yu's relationship. Gender seems to be irrelevant to vampires.
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I think Yu would wait if he knew waiting until he was bigger would give him more power as a complete vampire. And he might not like looking like an eternal child and having people treat him like one but I see what you mean. Guren's upbringing life experiences was probably different than Yuu's so I can see him being a bit more mature at age 16 but Yuu himself also becomes more mature as the series progresses.
I also want to write Shinoa and Mitsuba as boys too but I'm not very knowledgeable with Japanese names so I don't know what the male version of Shinoa and Mitsuba's names would be.
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Guren is way more mature with his upbringing. Although they both mature as their series progresses, Guren was still more mature at the beginning of Catastrophe than Yu is in chapter 50 of the manga.
Japanese names are beyond my current level of expertise, but "Shinoa" is not a legit Japanese name but rather a made-up one. A short-cut you could use would be to call them by their last names instead. Everyone already addresses Shiho Kimizuki as "Kimizuki" instead of "Shiho." Mitsuba Sangu could easily just be "Sangu." It could cause a bit of confusion with Aoi Sangu, but Shiho doesn't get mixed up with his sister too much. The Sangu sisters are only very rarely in the same place anyway. Since "Shinoa" is just a made-up name anyway, you could probably just make it up with something else instead. "Hiragi" is too dominant of a name, and there are too many Hiragis running around.
This site may be able to help: www.babynamespedia.com/start/m…
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I see, thanx for the link, I'll check it out. I thought Shinoa was an actual girl's Japanese name like Mitsuba. I can look up similar boy's names instead. I intend to keep Yuu's name the same even as a girl because he is being cross-named for his parents' wish for a son. I think personality and life experiences can also affect one's maturity as well as gender since girls usually mature faster than boys.
Even Guren shows a bit of immaturity from time to time and he also comes off as a hypocrite as well. He orders Yuu to work with others as a team while not really wanting to do the same himself as Shinoa points out. He also tells Yuu to be respectful to his superiors while dissing his own higher-ups as Shinya points out. So Guren basically tells Yuu to do as he says, not as he himself does which is the worst example you could make for your kids or younger siblings. It could have been intended for humor but really not a good message to send young people. When I was a kid, my dad was always telling me not to smoke while smoking himself. Its pretty ridiculous.
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Girls typically mature early than boys. Girls start puberty by the end of elementary school and slowly complete it in their late teens or early twenties. Boys start it during middle school or later and usually finish in only a few years. Teenage boys and teenage girls are considered to be different creatures by some people. Teenage boys are the ones who get in trouble for doing dumb things most often.
Haha. Guren is a pretty bad hypocrite in that regard.
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Well, yes, there's a reason insurance, especially car insurance rates are higher for teenage boys than girls lol.
I know grown men who still do stupid shit you would think they know better, it's not just limited to teenage boys.😁
I think Guren is a good teacher to Yuu when it comes to swordsmanship and showing him how to survive on the battlefield, keeping him off it until he was truly ready, but Guren is a terrible example when it comes to being a role model for life's other lessons.
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Guren is a terrible role model. No wonder Yu acts just like him! Guren's life has been all work and no play. When he finally made friends, it was during war, and they were all killed (supposedly). And then, he destroyed the world to get them back. I think part of the reason he's not good at teaching life lessons is because he himself hasn't learned them well. I think he's refused to get close to anyone since the Apocalypse began because he knows he's a namanari and is going to hurt and get hurt in the end.
Guren knows war and not a whole lot else. Even before war begins in Catastrophe, he was already in a life-or-death battle of his own.
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Right, even Guren's own squad admits Yuu acts a lot like him. Shinya says Yuu reminds him of Guren at his age. I think his intentions are good. He is probably just teaching Yuu what he knows best which is the art or war so to speak. Most of the higher ups in the Hiragi family wouldn't be any better than Guren as a role model to Yuu anyway and they're even shadier, except maybe Shinya. Yuu might be a bit different if he was raised by Shinya instead of Guren.
I think one of the biggest difference between Guren and Yuu is that Guren knows all along he's a namanari but Yuu doesn't find out that he is as well until Asuramaru tells him.
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The higher-ups in the Hiragi Family are absolutely way shadier than Guren. They have done things worse than Guren several times over. That's one of the reasons people tend to cling to Guren and abhor the Hiragi.
I'm not sure what Shinya would do with a child. I imagine Kureto would order him to get rid of it.
Guren contracts with his first demon, Noya, during the night of August 21st, 2012 (manga main storyline is 2020). Although Mahiru had made dramatic advancements on Cursed Gear, there were no chains to restrain the demon and keep Guren in control. The restrictions the kids use in the manga haven't been developed yet. Although Guren realizes right away that he isn't human anymore, I don't believe the term "namanari" has come up yet. I don't know who came up with the term, but he knows what a namanari is from his interactions with Mahiru. Since Mahiru was so gentle despite being a Hiragi, her demonic personality made quite an impact with its brutality. The only ones she did not risk were Guren, whom she loved with all the humanity she had left, and Shinoa, for whom she took in two demons and became like this for in the first place.
Guren could have made the term himself or else Mahiru, Noya, or Saito could have told it to him. He doesn't call himself that right away, but he definitely becomes a namanari in book 4 (omnibus 2).
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Really, and why would you think Kureto would order Shinya to get rid of Yuu if he was the one who found him? Guren managed to get away with keeping him under his wing for a few years. I think he was protecting Yuu by teaching him how to fight yet keeping him off the battlefield as much as possible so he wouldn't endanger his life needlessly. He was probably trying to keep Yuu from catching unwanted attention as well.
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Because Kureto sees Shinya as a servant of the Hiragi Family. Shinya is treated pretty badly by the Hiragi Clan, which is why he contacts Guren in the first place. In school, they bully Guren. Outside of it, they bully Shinya. Shinya is supposed to be their obedient steed for impregnating Mahiru until Mahiru betrayed them. After losing that purpose, Shinya has only survived as a useful soldier and servant to them. Although he seems to (jokingly?) refer to Kureto as his nii-san, he would never consider the Hiragi to be his family. The sole exception of that might be Shinoa, who has minimal contact with the other Hiragis and was disowned by them. They don't value her life either.
Anything that belongs to Shinya belongs to the Hiragi by default. He does not own himself. If he shows any signs of disobedience, they will severely punish and "break" him again and again to return him to subservience. When he was growing up, they made him kill all of his closest friends every three months from when he was 5 years old until he was 10. The Hiragi love having hostages. Instead of making Shinya get rid of Yu, they could kill or maim Yu as punishment to keep Shinya in line instead. After all Yu, as far as they know, is not too valuable to hurt. They avoid injuring Guren's squad members (aside from Shigure and Hanayori) because they are from important families and considered to be valuable. Although they've tortured Shigure and Hanayori -at least- a few times, they were still more brutal with Guren's dad and the rest of the Ichinose Clan, which is probably why they haven't appeared in the manga aside from Shusaku Iwasaki and Makoto Narumi.
Guren is more like Kureto's pet that he protects while Shinya is the Hiragi's servant and protected by no one.
The Hiragi are cruel condescending people who see everyone in the world as less than them and for them to rule as they see fit. This makes them even more greedy for power. Remember Kureto's speech to Guren about wanting to defeat the vampires in Japan and then defeat any surviving human groups in order to put them all under his thumb? That is the Hiragi in a nut shell. They want to dominate absolutely everything and don't have the slightest thought of altruism.
Right now, Tenri Hiragi is at the top of the totem pole, and Kureto wants to drag him from his seat and kill him. This is his own father, and he is the only reasonable inheritor of the throne. Even if he just waited until his dad kicked the bucket, he would still rule the JIDA someday. Anyone considered too weak and worthless for anything will be disposed of.
I'm surprised that Guren managed to keep Yu secret from his own squad mates. We know they saw Yu before during a bonus chapter with the vampire pirate noble, but they didn't remember him at all when they met him more recently in the manga. Since Yu had such close contact with Guren all those years, it's quite possible that Guren erased their memories. From the light novels, we know that the Hyakuya was capable of skilled memory-manipulating magic, so it's definitely possible. Questionably moral things dictate survival in this series.
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Shinya appears oddly familiar with Yuu during their meeting before the fight with Crowley and warned him not to trust Kureto even though he has no reason to be concerned for his well-being so that gave me the feeling he and Yuu have met before the beginning of the main story. Since Shinya and Guren are quite close, it would have been impossible for Guren to keep Yuu a secret from him.
Though he is the head of the Hiragi family, Tenri Hiragi doesn't appear to do or say much. He's just, well... there. Kureto looks to be the one pulling all the strings anyway; he just wants to get rid of his father to make it official though I have no idea how he thinks he could get away with it but he must be confident he could since he casually confesses his plan to Shinya or Guren, I can't remember exactly. The only time he appears to show any concern for Shinoa is when he tries to coax her into handing Yuu over in exchange for sparing her life but she was right not to trust him since he may very well kill her anyway once he got what he wanted.
Kureto has grandiose ambitions but he's pretty naive to think he could subjugate the remaining human survivors of other countries without knowing what they're capable of since Japan hasn't had any contact with the outside world since the apocalypse.
Maybe someday they will make an anime or manga adaptation of the LNs. Btw, the artist I commissioned lately has a separate page for her OnS fan comics if you're interested. Her style is pretty close to the manga and her plots are pretty interesting.
www.patreon.com/rindartist/pos…
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Guren quite successfully kept the -huge secret- of being a namanari and spending a good chunk of his time as a demon from Shinya all these years. Kureto was aware of it, but Shinya was not. Guren and Shinya are very close, and even Kureto was surprised Guren was able to hide that from him. Despite spending half a day as a demon and struggling with it for eight years, Shinya was never the wiser. Given that, it would be entirely possible for Guren to keep Yu a secret from Shinya. Shinya comes across as always smiling and friendly, but he just trained himself to do that in order to get his opponent's guard down.
The Catastrophe LNs describe their pasts and relationships quite well.
I think Tenri has appeared once in the manga for us so far and possibly only once in the LNs, too. He is managing everything from beyond our reach. Even Kureto has to obey him if they have a disagreement. Kureto is the only reason the Hiragi haven't killed Guren for his disobedience yet, so turning him in to Tenri would be a serious disadvantage for Guren and Guren's followers.
I don't think Kureto is necessarily naive. He knows it is possible to subjugate human groups outside of Japan. He didn't say he would do it in a year, a decade, or even a hundred years--just that he would do it.
Cool. Thanks.
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You can keep almost anything a secret if you're that determined I suppose.
I think Tenri lets his sons run the demon army as they see fit but he has the final say in all matters which would be an obstacle for Kureto if they have a disagreement so its not surprising he wants to get rid of his father. Kureto obviously keeps Guren alive because he's more useful that way.
All dictators can be extremely arrogant and overconfident. For all we know, surviving humans in other countries can have armies, families, and technology just as powerful as the JIDA and Hiragis.
Rin is a great artist. I enjoy reading her OnS fan comics on Tumblr too. Some of her images are hilarious.
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Right. Only the vampires know better about what's happening outside of Japan.
I thought I recognized her name.
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Yeah, Rin is pretty good at imitating the style of the anime. I like her fan comics on Tumblr and she's going to redo them on Patron. I'm really impressed Rin manages to upload a new page everyday; most artists I've met take a few days to a week to finish a page if its their hobby, not their profession since drawing comics is a lot of work. Since she's struggling a bit, I decided to give her a small donation to help her out.
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Alas, I have no money for donating to anything. Hardly any just for medication, food, and rent. Blagh. Hopefully, I can start my job in the next week or two. I'm waiting on my state license. Until then, I am living off of my credit card and borrowing from my sister! The post-grad school life~
Since I am in the middle of a new ulcerative colitis flare, it would be nice if that started behaving itself before my job starts, too. Blagh. I feel so anemic.
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I don't know what ulcerative colitis is but I hope its not anything serious. Hope things get better for you soon
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