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Now to the honor of the clown prince of crime here are my favourites versions of the Ace of knaves, the Mirthful menace that got lately bastardised by the DC shitboot...Cesar Romero (Batman Television Series)
Ah, Cesar Romero did a great job at capturing the maniacal glee of the Clown Prince of Crime. The great thing about Romero is that he'll always make you laugh ! I mean The Joker is a great clown so one must feel the fun oozing from the guy's presence!
" A Joke a day takes the gloom away!"
Jack Nicholson (Batman 1989)
is PURELY UNPREDICTABLE! You look at the guy with that surreal smile & you donβt know what his next move will be. Iβm more impressed by that face than a mere glasgow smile.& the fact that he can make you laugh while comitting horrible deeds IS why The Joker is an awesome character!
"Don't forget to put on a happy face ! HAHAHAHHAAAA !"
DCAU
Mark Hamill as the Joker - the portrayal, whilst only in voice, many consider to be the definitive depiction of the Joker, to date.Hamill ranks number #1 for making the Joker's chilling laughter sound natural . The closer you write the Joker to this version , the better it is!
Comics in general
We'd be here all night if I listed the artists, but let me thank Dennis O'Neill, Doug Moench, Chuck Dixon, Paul Dini, JM DeMatteis, Neil Gaiman , Bruce Timm for giving us fun & epic stories with the clown prince himself!
The Dark Knight
Heh , what can I add! Heath Ledger did a great job & was far funnier than what most people expected!
" Wanna see a magic trick?...."
R.I.P's version
Thats not the Joker in Morrisons run, its a compilation of the most overused serial killer cliches coupled with Sweeney Todd and all rolled up into a turd that is supposed to be justified by Morrisons "super sanity" retard logic. So screw it!
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He proved himself to be hilarious (seriously, it was like seeing Romero with Nicholson's job...) so he gets it !
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All of them are awesome but I love Heath Ledger's and Mark HamillsΒ one more
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You will soon see the Joker that inspired the creation of Nicholson's version (which inspired Hamill's in turn...)
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......but....I...I love Grant Morrisons Joker
In way the super sanity rings true. If you see, like Joker, standerds laws and morrals are all fabricated and man made and therefor non existant in the grand sceme of things. Joker believes in a form of nilhilism were nothing means anything and everything in the world is just one big Joke and so everyone who thinks otherwise, that life is worth something that the world is a beautiful place, that we should all conform to the rules of society (which is the majority of people) is going to seem like the mad ones to him. Also as a schizopherenic psychopath he has no control over the amount of stimuli he takes in he has no filter as normal people do and so he takes in alot of information at once. Normal people with this disorder cant realy cope, but Joker can and just goes with it which is why I think morrison labled him as super sain. It's also no secrete that Joker is a genious albet a messed up one this may have also prompted the decision to call him that. In my opinion Grant Morison is the best writter in the Batman universe because he looks beoynd the cliches and makes the story deep and meaningfull (especially a serious house on serious earth) and he pays attention to character development makeing the characters more 3D and realistic instead of sticking to the norm of using the simple hero vs villian thing. And so I think that if anything some of the others should be in the bin because they adhere to the cliches more than Morrisons. Doesn't mean they are not good I love Hamils Joker and... is that Tim Sales Joker? I love the long halloween....
Anyway sorry for the rant and I like you're line art
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Well , here's the thing, I have nothing against a good nihilistic joke from time to time (Ledger's for instance, but he seems more driven by his own ego & the need to steal the spotlight from other criminals !) but the super-sanity stuff is a theory... that's all it was a theory . Morrison uses that as a convinient way to write whatever the fuck he wants, stripping the clown of his core personality .
For me Flamboyant attention whore criminal artist Joker is the greatest & most multi layered take on him , Morrison is just a "Looook ! I can make him Teh Extreme !"
Grant Morison is the best writter in the Batman universe because he looks beoynd the cliches and makes the story deep and meaningful
NOPE. He is not. Not by a long friggin shot . There's a difference between depth,layers & how much silver age I can cram to show how relevant I am, & don't think about Damian because [link] . Morrison if I put aside his Animal Man & JLA stint & All Star Supes , is an overrated hack ...
And so I think that if anything some of the others should be in the bin because they adhere to the cliches more than Morrisons.
BLASPHEMYYYY ! BLASPHEMY ! HERESYYYY! SPOOOOKYYYY... Wait sorry I was out of undignified exclamations... What cliche ? His is the friggin Cliche of all, that was not the Joker, that was Marylin Manson mutilation fetishist cousin so be glad Romero Joker did not put him with the voracious clam !
instead of sticking to the norm of using the simple hero vs villian thing.
Actually I'd rather have that than the whole "heroes are douches" they've pulling way too much... BTAS Bats is the perfect version for me, Batmorrison makes me question how I became a fan of Bruce ...Morrison doesn't delve into the character(s) and carve out a niche from their history or canon to explore and make new. He creates these outlandish exploits that can only, AT BEST, be vaguely associated with the character in question.
& yes it is Tim Sale's Joker...
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Right.
SO Joker was a psychotic killer to begin with before the 60's and so to tresure the camp sad excuse for a Joker that Ramero gave us is to ME heressy. Morrisons Joker is also a flambyant attention whore criminal artist just not in the way that was marketed for children. And yes Morrison does make Joker extream...cause thats what he is.
Oh and how the hell does Morrison strip him of his core personality? If you remember in RIP he just came back from the dead and was seriously pissed at Batman and even then he was making Jokes like the one with the tiles , practically telling batman all along and taking the piss cause Batmans want to see meaning were there isn't any got him into sh*t. Then he set up the joke like deaths of the members of the black glove, then there was Hurts death with the bananna and smilex how much more Joker can you get? Then there was the thing with Damian mirrioring death in the family plus he made all those quips and one liners, he also used exagerated gestures and poses so as for not being flamboyant or Jokey enough....I'm not sure.
Plus the plot required him to be in disguise for mst of it so that prohibited any Joker traits that he might otherwise show.
And yes Morrison does try to refer to earlier work but thats because as you know Batman and general DC continuity is at times highly questionalble and he has tried to string things together. In fact the continuity is so f*cked up that they decided to reboot it. And we all know what a disaster thats been so far. Now would you prefer trying to make the peices fit or saying f*ck it lets do a new one! They brought batgirl back! That sickens me to no end! Thats got to be a kick in the balls for Joker, first they bring Jason back then barbara gets up from her weelchair!... I'm half expecting Gordons wife to come back to life!
And Grant Morrison's Joker is not cliche. The others sport the stereotypical idea of 'crazy' which is overused to the max were a Morrison actually explores the reality of Jokers many disorders with without deviating from the character. As for being a Marylin Manson mutilation fetishist, I don't know were you're getting Manson from, if your refering to the way he looks he was actually going for Bowie, hense the eyes and the chapter entitled: the thin white duke of death. As for the mutilation fetishist, Joker is a well knowen sadomasochist laughing through and encouraging Batmans beatings, many times encouraging Batman to kill him. So I don't think its out of character for him to slice his tongue. Just because this isn't strictly for kids. I in fact enjoy some of the controversial and adult concepts Morrison introduces to his work. Plus the Joker is mental, how the hell can you rule self harm out as something he'd do?
The heros are douches thing? Thats not what he's saying, we all know Batmans got issues due to childhood truama and the way he chose to deal with it. Also the amount of stress he's burned himself with wouldn't help matters. We also know Batman is a bit of a sadist whos gets caught up too much in the violence of what he does especially regarding Joker. And Grant Morrison didn't introduce this side to him it's been around for a long time. In fact in the very early comics Batman even carried a gun and used it, and Morrisons doesn't so if anything the camp heroic cant-do-nothing-wrong Batman you idealise is the one thats out of character . After all, out of the justice league he is the only one without real superpowers, he's only human he's prone to mistakes, its his rising above them that makes him better not the non existance of them.
In my oppinion Morrison does explore the charcters in depth instead of going oh heres Joker and he's the baddie he gives him more personality and emotions than just permanantly manic. He gives him alterior motives and conflicting ideals. And he does use the history... you said so yourself. And he does make new, everything he does is origional. Yes he is sometimes a bit outlandish like sending batman back in time. But no more that Millar's mutants, Rameros camp and silly plans, hamills captin clown, elseworlds, or emperor Joker..... well maybe but I tend to ignore those parts. Much like I ignore anything Kevin Smith does, most of what Azerelo does and now I'm starting to boycot Paul Dinni because of what he did in Arkham city. You might say it's Blasphemy but I say anyone who thinks they can kill off the Joker isn't fit to be a comic writter. He did well with BTAS but Hamil's been playing Joker for 20 years how could he do that to him? There was better ways of sending him off, he took the easy route and did it very badly. I mean having him dying out on a filthy floor while his enemy looks apathetically over him was disgraceful!He deserved to go out with a bang! Dinni has lost all the respect I had for him over that!
So...I've forgoten what i...Oh yeah
*cough* sorry.
Well the rest comes down to personal preference and so we are going to have to agree to disagree.
*cough (grant morrison is god) cough*
seriously though nice drawing.
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Ouh, Now that's a feedback, I am drooling with appetite ! "Sluuuurrp"
60's and so to tresure the camp sad excuse for a Joker that Ramero gave us is to ME heressy.
No it's not. At the time , it was a superior version of the silver age comics and it's a different kind of Batman. Romero is just plain joyful & adorable in that role & it's a dimension that I find absolutely valid . The Joker is a clown, & yes he is the kind of guy who would kidnap a fish from an aquarium with a truck ...
Then there was the thing with Damian mirrioring death in the family plus he made all those quips and one liners, he also used exagerated gestures and poses so as for not being flamboyant or Jokey enough....I'm not sure.
I kind of expect him to fridge the little bastard, but the whole Frasier Irving kinda took the whole impact . Seriously DC what was up with that...
Batman and general DC continuity is at times highly questionalble and he has tried to string things together.
Just remember my rules in comics:
-If it's too awful or distateful, IT DIDN't HAPPEN!
- If it's an unbearable status quo, make your own canon ( kind of what 90% of my gallery is made of...)
This is why I stayed with the DCU of the 80's & 90's , but that's a discussion for another day & another deviation...
Grant Morrison's Joker is not cliche. The others sport the stereotypical idea of 'crazy' which is overused to the max were a Morrison actually explores the reality of Jokers many disorders with without deviating from the character.
No it's pretty much the disorders Morrison has after one too many joints . The take on him was tasteless , & I disagree about that being frightening . Joker is scary because he looks like a clown & we don't know whatever the hell he'll do , & when he's truly well written , it does have a funny streak to it . Morrison does not give that at all . No , Joker is way too preenin with his appearance when he puts on a show to make himself look like Bowie . And I used the M. Manson Comparison because he does LOOK like that in certain panel . The tongue cutting was a moment where I said "... That's just stupid... ", it was just shocking for the sake of shocking. So his place is well deserved !
Yes he is sometimes a bit outlandish like sending batman back in time.
No I was more pissed at Bats barely reacting to the spawn of his loins bringing a beheaded head or basically yelling "I financed Batman!" (The INC concept is not bad, but could not you be more discrete ?)
AND LADIES & GENTS THE LAST PARAGRAPH ! "Drum rolls...."
But no more that Millar's mutants, Rameros camp and silly plans, hamills captin clown, elseworlds, or emperor Joker....
Dear Lady, it's comics but the ludicruous has its rules too. It's MILLER , I know it's a frequent mistake but I don't mind correcting this.Captain Clown ? YOU KILLED CAPTAIN CLOWN !(he's awesome !) & I love Emperor Joker ( When Lex gets shot repeatedly because he slapped him in JLA ? priceless !)
. Much like I ignore anything Kevin Smith does
Eh, don't worry about that, so do I ...
most of what Azerelo does
Azzarello . & his Knight of vengeance mini was the one thing worth a dawn in flashpoint...
He did well with BTAS but Hamil's been playing Joker for 20 years how could he do that to him? There was better ways of sending him off, he took the easy route and did it very badly.
I love the way he died , In AC. In fact Arkham City is the last good Batman city I've seen . What unnerves you so much ? Dying on the dirty floor? He didn't hire a janitor . Batman looking at him apathetically ? THAT IS A VERY BATMAN THING TO DO ! You expect Bruce to shed atear over him ? He deserved to go out with a bang! Dinni has lost all the respect I had for him over that! Curious to see what you mean by a bang , He died laughing at the irony of the situation since it was caused by his own impatience & vanity , Karma 's a bitch . And say hello to your anti-thesis ! Your Mirror opposite ! Because Dini, Dixon & DeMatteis are MY favourite Joker writers !
*cough (grant morrison is god) cough*
In Tunisia, he is a hack...END of that topic !
seriously though nice drawing.
... And I haven't finished the newt piece !
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Ok...I'm.....i'm not even going to argue with you over 60's Joker (lie)... I can clearly see you love him. And to a degree I can respect that.... there's nothing wrong with nostalgia. And even I have to hand it to Romero, he WAS a laugh. The only problem was I was laughing AT him... not with him. Yes Joker is a clown but he has finesse his Jokes weren't camp or corny, they're classic and genius and ironic and sadistically cruel. And yes there is a chance that Joker would steal a fish from an aquarium but only because he's unpredictable. He wouldn't make a habit out off making them types of gags. The 60's was a time of peace and love and they are two words that would never come close to being associated with the Joker. so in MY opinion most of the silver age.... didn't happen. there are some gems but on the most part......No, just no.
About Frasier Irving... I'm on the fence whether I like his work or not.... nice colouring but I don't particularly like the almost pop art, heavily outlined line art. The painterly feel is refreshing but I'm not sure if his style fits with the comics. Perhaps a graphic novel like Dave McKean but other than that. Meh.
About Morrison and Drugs..... fair point lol! But he stopped them a while now. I quite liked the stuff he came up with in that period. Fun.
Oh and I can see the Joker preening himself up to look like Bowie. Ziggy Stardust was very narcissistic like Joker, he was attention grabbing like Joker, you either love him or you hate him like Joker,he changes all the time like Joker, he was a sex symbo...oooo... eh *cough* like...like Joker.... Well he is. He is also very ambiguous very much like Joker sooooo. Yeah I think he was a very apt person to compare him to. Plus Morrison wasn't saying that for the personality traits, it was more for the eyes and hair and of course his skin. People have said when I draw Joker he looks a bit like Manson... I just cant see it though.
Oh by the way Joker isn't scary because he looks like a clown, he scary because he's an insane homicidal maniac..... he is THE definition of madness and chaos. He's scary because if you meet him he WILL be the last thing you ever see. HE's scary because he's a master of manipulation and deceit and PAIN means little to nothing to him. He is frighteningly intelligent and has the highest personal body count of the DC villains. He's scary because he has a sickeningly beautiful twisted sense of humour. HE IS SCARY because he's the JOKER! The fact that he looks like a clown is a gimmick he make good use of, it's coincidental, the fact that he looks like a clown is only scary if you're afraid of clowns.... or pale faced evil men.
Fair enough about INC ....to be honest I didn't really like the concept at all, It would be far too easy to label him Batman now, especially with Dick, Tim and Damian standing behind him when he announced it.
Azzarello. Fair enough I'll give you that... But have you read Azzarello's Joker?!!! NOOO! it's just... NO! It's wrong on every level.... it's....it's like if you combined the looks of comicverse and nolanverse with the personality bordering on if not spot on KEVIN SMITHS JOKER! The Joker would never CRY! Especially not in front of HARELY!!! and He would never and has NEVER RAPED someone!!!!! It's the one thing he doesn't do! So yeah I will ignore most of what Azzarello does, thank you very much.
How can you love the way Hamills Joker died, he deserved better! I only bought the f*cking game so I could make him better and they f*cking sent me on a wild goose-chase! In my opinion the only way the Joker should go out is by Batman's hand and if then he has to take Batman down with him!.... In a F*CKING BLAZE OF GLORY!!!! SO BIG IT WOULD BLOW YOUR BRAINS CLEAN OUT OF YOUR SKULL! .....if that cant be accomplished then he shouldn't have died at all. There had to be a better way even if it was a sort of freddy vs jason ending. A sort of...."Is he dead?" Dun Dun Dun! But he didn't. And I know what your saying about the irony thing but the fact is Dinni has been pushing the death of Joker by irony for a long time now that it's lost its charm. Like in BTAS when he fell into the chimney when fighting bat's on the train in Mad Love. It was "if he didn't lunge at Batman he would have never gone in." Or in Phantasm it was 'If he didn't set off those explosions' or in Batman beyond return of the Joker it was 'If he didn't give that gun to Tim it wouldn't of happened'
It just an excuse now, either for ratings and money or Dinni really doesn't like the Joker.
Which is another reason for me to boycot him. So there.
And yes.... it does seem like I've finaly met my nemesis!
Untill we meet again!
LOL!
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The moment I'll post my top 20 Batman villains (once I'll finish it, & it takes time! it 'll be in the same style of my other top 20's ) , I do know that you'll come to try strangling me ... It will be fun , NYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA !
Dini does love the Joker, if anything his version is the definitive one as well as a show stealing presence . I take death by irony over Morrisonery's Seriouser anytime (Really? Poison blood now ?...) . Also it happened only in Batman Beyond, he survived everytime in BTAS...
THE definition of madness and chaos. He's scary because if you meet him he WILL be the last thing you ever see.
This kind of characterization when mishandled kills & harms the character more than anything , in fact in the top 20 I'll say why I love the Joker's personna & it'll be quite close to Daffy Duck (Yep , it 'll be a funny approximation ...). My appreciation comes from his vanity & intention to put on a good show for the audience
He's scary because if you meet him he WILL be the last thing you ever see
That limits his range a lot for me...the russian roulette on the other hand is a better M.O. for the clown
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Mark Hamill pretty much defined Joker for the toons, but I gotta say "The Batman's" version is my favorite by far. 
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Dini & Hamill defined him in general. The closer he's written that way, the better .
Glad to see someone who does not complain about the one in the garbage he belongs to .
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Oh yeah. I love Hamill's Joker - and isn't it cool that he has the same name as Nicholson's Joker?
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See for me the real Joker origin is Case Study by one of the greatest Joker writers ever, Paul Dini. I definitely recommend it !
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