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Why isn't Steve stabbing Tony in the eye? THIS PICTURE IS NOT IN CHARACTER RAGE RAGE RAGE
It looks greatly cute, though. Thumbs up.
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Well, you see, in the comics....
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... they basically on a border of hating each other and every little single straw is ready to break the peace between them. Ya, I know, I've read the comics.
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Oh, no I mean like the originals. From before Civil War. Where they were, like, best buddies. And the writers themselves ship(ped) them.
Actually, even after Civil War, Tony's monologues over Steve's body and how fucking tortured he is with every second he exists because of the shit he pulled, plus Cap's "holy shit you are not the man I knew how could you betray me like this how" rage kind of gives it away.
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No they didn't. The writers certainly didn't ship them. They put in the homoerotic subtext as queerbaiting for better sales. It's Economics 101
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Yes, but note: homoerotic subtext. Purposely put in. To draw people in. For better sales.
Read: THE WRITERS PUT HOMOEROTIC SUBTEXT BETWIXT THEM ON PURPOSE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU DENY IT. Therefore, they are shipped. Together. By the writers.
See it now?
You just proved my point, my friend.
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Homoerotic subtext does not equal homoerotic relationship. Putting homoerotic subtext (which more often than not is not actually a homoerotic subtext) does not equal writers shipping the characters.
Examples: Sherlock, Teen Wolf, Supernatural.
Again, writers don't ship them. At least none of the people who by the date wrote Avengers, Captain America or Iron Man comics outright said so. Therefore you cannot say with certainty they do.
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Yeah, I know. The reader's imagination definitely has stuff to do with it. But in some cases, like... it's not even subtext anymore. It's just text.
Honestly, nobody can really know who ships who. But Cap and Iron man are together in an AU. Like, married together. And it's just... some of the scenes just really make you wonder, y'know? It's not even just quirky writing anymore. It's gotten to the point where Cap and Tony are THE leaders. THE bffs of marvel. Like, the degree of their love for each other, even if only brotherly, is immense. And nobody can really deny that if they've read the comics (excluding the Ultimates, because Steve's kind of an ass in that verse, lol).
But yeah. So even if I'm not certain they ship it, per say, I am certain that the constant alluding to their strong emotional bond is not an accident. Which in turn, suggests they ship it. Or want the fans to ship it.
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I'm tired of this conversation, so this is my last word, so don't bother replying. And I mean - don't reply at all.
Writers. Don't. Ship. Them.
Have I made it clear enough? They don't care for your precious OTPs or ships or crackpairings. They don't give two shits. And they certainly don't need an advocate like you saying that they do indeed. Because they don't. All most of them care is a paycheck and a certainty that they will have a job at the end of the month because comicbook industry is dying. And if putting some subtext into the script means boosting the sales, they will do it. Not because they care about emotional involvement of he fans, but about the money they can spend on feeding and clothing themselves and their families. If they didn't, we wouldn't have neither the DC reboot, nor so many bloody events in Marvel. That's it. That's the only reason.
Steve is the leader because he has a natural charisma. He lead The Invaders (which had Namor as a member and ability to give orders to him is a commendable one) and The Howling Commandos at certain points in history. He is somebody people look up to, he was created as a propaganda tool to inspire and as such he took over that role and his legend stands still even to this day and he most certainly lives up to it. Tony was on-and-off leader because he too was charismatic, he always got his voice through. He was radical, creative and even if his decisions were bad, he always came through with the results. This is why he was the leader.
And if you'd bother to read some fucking comics, you'd know that Steve and Tony AREN'T BF-fucking-Fs. Steve's best friend is Sam Wilson, aka The Falcon, aka the first Afro-American superhero. Tony's best friend is James "Rhodey" Rhodes aka The War Machine. So don't spew around that they are "THE bffs" because they aren't. They aren't in the mainstream 616 universe, they aren't in the 1610 Ultimate universe, and they most fucking certainly aren't in the 99999 movie universe. Neither they are in the 3490 comicbook universe where Tony was born a woman.
And in Ultimate universe everybody is a fucking dick, no exceptions. It was so badly run it had to have a reboot.
And lastly - NOBODY BUT FANS SHIP THEM.
End of fucking discussion.
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