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Description Just a random dragon bust I drew, just for the sake of drawing it Β 

The name Seraphim comes from Hebrew, and is associated with a type of monstrous celestial beings.Β 
Seraph on the other hand is the Hebrew word for serpent.
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ropen7789 [2015-03-16 21:40:02 +0000 UTC]

a seraphim is a six-winged angel, but as you say, its hebrew for serpent. satan/lucifer was a seraphim before falling from heaven

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to ropen7789 [2015-03-17 01:42:03 +0000 UTC]

I thought Lucifer was a Cherub (Ezekiel 28:14-16)?

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ropen7789 In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-03-17 04:05:32 +0000 UTC]

in some texts yes, but other texts say he is a seraphim

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to ropen7789 [2015-03-17 11:43:40 +0000 UTC]

Maybe he's a Seraph Cherubim.

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ropen7789 In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-03-17 16:52:34 +0000 UTC]

a wut?

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to ropen7789 [2015-03-17 16:58:20 +0000 UTC]

In other words a serpent cherubim?

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ropen7789 In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-03-17 19:35:55 +0000 UTC]

i don't think so, it depends on the different biblical texts. in one, he is a cherub, and the other, a seraphim. but the seraphim in my opinion makes more sense because of how seraphims were assigned to watch over man and their serpentine meaning connects with the snake connections of satan and his dragon form (revelations)

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to ropen7789 [2015-03-18 14:10:07 +0000 UTC]

From my understanding, Cherubs guarded and carried God's throne, as described by the prophets, and the Psalms.
The Bible does not clearly call Satan a Seraphim, simply a Seraph, or a serpent.
The Cherubim themselves are described with animal-like features, that's why I say Lucifer may have been a serpent-like cherub before his fall.Β 

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Evenape [2015-03-16 17:31:07 +0000 UTC]

Seraph also means burning though.. Imagine that! Burning serpents!

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-03-17 01:46:43 +0000 UTC]

The Bible describes fiery flying serpents

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-03-20 15:25:31 +0000 UTC]

Indeed... They also might be what the seraphs are after all..

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-03-22 03:56:51 +0000 UTC]

I believe that Satan was a Cherub in the form of a fiery flying serpent

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-03-22 04:34:16 +0000 UTC]

Plausible...

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-03-22 05:06:39 +0000 UTC]

The Bible calls him a Cherub, but also a serpent, and a dragon...

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-03-25 17:22:37 +0000 UTC]

Well, he can be all three... The basic logic of the Greek word drakon is actually found in the huge Indian pythons the Greeks encountered under Alexander the Great's conquest, so what a dragon would look like to the Gospel writer(s) is a huge monstrous serpent

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-03-25 18:23:40 +0000 UTC]

The Greek word for dragon was also used in the Septuagint, in place of the Hebrew word Tannin.Β 
Tannin was also used for serpent or sea beast alternatively (Aaron's staff turned into a tannin before Pharaoh in Exodus 7, while in Isaiah 27:1 Leviathan is called both a serpent(nachash) and a tannin).Β 

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-03-26 16:47:28 +0000 UTC]

Indeed...Β 

Well, the sea always had connection with serpents for the Jews, with Leviathan living in it..

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-03-27 04:26:16 +0000 UTC]

Leviathan. Dragon.. A giant sea serpent.....en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liopleur…

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-03-27 12:30:04 +0000 UTC]

It's not really a serpent, but then again, we don't know what the leviathan really looks like (it wouldn't really breath fire though, the Liopleurodon)

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-03-27 15:07:42 +0000 UTC]

How is anyone really sure what extinct reptile could do or not could do? For all we know, there could have been one that could change colors like a chameleon, or spat venomous goo like the fictionalized Dilophosaurus Β in Jurassic Park?

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-03-29 02:00:17 +0000 UTC]

Well, there is still anatomic inference... Sure, there might be a dinosaur with chameleon-level color changing (and even chameleons themselves mostly used it for expressing feelings instead of camouflage), or venom-spitting (although there still would be some evidence in the skull for attachment of the venom glands, etc.), fire-breathing is a very different territory... Lots of adaptations would ne needed to contain the fire and to stop it from burning the dragon's throat

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-03-30 02:25:34 +0000 UTC]

Hey, any kind of adaption requires a lot of work.

Here's an interesting article I came across about the possibility of fire breathing in living animals.Β www.creationworldview.org/arti…

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-03-30 10:57:33 +0000 UTC]

Having some kind of bombardier beetle-like mechanism itself is quite hard... Positioning it and carefully ensuring that the mouth and throat wouldn't get roasted would be even harder... These are not simple adaptations...

after some flash reading, I guess those are some good speculations, although there's still the fact that some of those chemicals are produced in trace amounts in the body (phosphor), are poisonous (arsenic), or are expelled quite quickly (methane)..l

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-03-30 15:57:53 +0000 UTC]

Nothing is impossible, for an all knowing, all powerful Creator.

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-03 16:24:50 +0000 UTC]

Indeed... We might just haven't find them yet xD

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-03 16:55:35 +0000 UTC]

yup

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-08 15:07:24 +0000 UTC]

Yep

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-09 13:02:04 +0000 UTC]

Speaking of adaptions, I found out a few days ago about an interesting Crocodile that once lived in my neck of the woods...
www.sciencenews.org/article/fe…

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-10 18:34:16 +0000 UTC]

Yeah... It is a very interesting species... I'm quite fascinated by how relatively close they were to the crocs of our time although still quite far away Β ( this is when compared to other "crocs" of the time I.e., the infamous Postosuchus)

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-11 03:05:54 +0000 UTC]

What's kinda funny is what happened when I told my older brother about it.
He thought of the Gator Ghoul from Scooby Doo, a bipedal alligator monster...
i.cdn.turner.com/tbseurope/big…
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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-12 15:49:39 +0000 UTC]

Interesting...

And really, with how this animal seems to be bipedal, it mightn't be that different from the Gator Ghoul... Well, excepting the aquatic adaptations..

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-13 23:52:18 +0000 UTC]

Oddly enough, Scooby-Doo's Gator Ghoul and the Carnufex may have shared territory.
The Gator Ghoul episode was based in Okefenokee Swamp on the Georgia-Florida border. Carnufex was found in North Carolina.
I almost forgot about the real life cryptid, the Lizard Man of Scape Ore Swamp, in Lee County, South Carolina.

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-15 17:08:15 +0000 UTC]

It is quite plausible, although their shape would be quite different from the Lizard Man..

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-15 22:12:45 +0000 UTC]

One crazy show I watched suggested Lizard Man was an evolved Troodon.

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-16 17:57:56 +0000 UTC]

Crazy indeed... An actual evolved Troodon would look like an ascendant ground bird more than anything

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-17 01:45:54 +0000 UTC]

The theory was first developed by Dale A. Russel. It is based on the idea that Troodon was incredibly intelligent compared to other dinosaurs, and would develop human level sentience.
One artist got creative and made a humanoid reptilian model based on this theory.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troodon#…

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-18 17:49:52 +0000 UTC]

Indeed...

its a very bad theory though... Its just not how sentient dinosaurs would look like

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-18 20:46:00 +0000 UTC]

It's good for sci-fi, and conspiracy theorists like those who believe in reptilians. Although those who believe in reptilians say they're space aliens not humanoid dinosaurs....

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-21 17:48:22 +0000 UTC]

Indeed... Well, some do say they were some of those "sapient dinosaurs" transplanted to space before returning here again as their imaginary conqueringconquering

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-21 19:59:01 +0000 UTC]

Me personally, I believe the only sentient life forms beyond our world are angelic and demonic beings.
There may be microscopic life forms, like bacteria out there, but our God has given us no reason to believe in intelligent physical life beyond Earth.
I believe that humankind is the only physical bodied creation of God to possess this special gift of sapience.
Whether you believe eons and eons of radical changes, or a short span of special creation, I believe humans have always been God's chosen species since before the beginning.

I had this crazy idea for a race of characters from watching a few UFO and Ancient Alien documentaries. What if the traditional gray alien is actually a race of underground dwelling humans, that have adapted to life under the surface of the earth.
My idea is that their skin has turned pale due to lack of exposure to sunlight, as well as the loss of body hair. Whenever they do go to the surface, they wear protective lenses over their eyes to protect them from the sunlight.

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-24 18:27:51 +0000 UTC]

There's just too many planets out there with the potential of holding life, or even sentient life...
And even on earth, there are some near-sentient species... Dolphins, elephants, crows (which even held some sort of funeral)... God choosing us merely stop them from eventually developing, but who knows about other planets?

well, that's a plausible explanation for the greys, although even their existence are doubtful, right?

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-25 00:06:39 +0000 UTC]

The truth is no one has yet found any other alien Earth-like planet.
God has revealed through His Word life on Earth to be a unique place in the universe, designed to be the focal point of the known universe.
Accord to God, the Earth is THE main event in this whole universe.
God said he made the Earth FIRST, then the sun, moon, stars and presumably the other planets, the total reverse of the common secular view of the sun coming before the Earth.
It is a secular atheistic notion that our world is not unique, but God in His Word has revealed that our little green and blue speck of dust is exclusive.
If God inspired men who believed in Him to write about the Earth's importance, why should we lend an ear to men who deny God's very existence, denounce it as just another collection of molten stardust?

Answers in Genesis suggested that alien sightings like the greys owe their appearance more to Hollywood than anything else.
They said that before Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind, beings sighted with UFOs were mostly normal human beings.

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-25 05:33:45 +0000 UTC]

There's not yet any evidence for or against it... And really, without a lack of respect for earth the universe is really a big place... Anything can be there (and it's really irrelevant to the Bible)

I thought that there were alien-related hysteria in the 1960s... And alien sightings aren't limited to greys as well..

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-28 12:59:35 +0000 UTC]

I like this person's response in this comic regarding the Bible's information.
answersingenesis.org/media/car…
The Bible says that the sun, moon, and stars were placed in the heavens for our benefit, so we can tell the change of seasons from year to year. They are also made for navigation. Most of all, they declare the Glory of God, and his infinite power.
The Bible reveals that all of creation suffers as a result of our forefather Adam's sin.
In the days following the judgment, God will destroy this whole universe, and recreate it like it was at the beginning, new and young, for all eternity.

Even though the Bible is not a scientific book it has a lot to say about science considering the eras it was written in. Compared to other religious writings that have come and gone, the Bible has many passage that can be connected to modern science as well as technology.

www.clarifyingchristianity.com…

I personally think that the search for alien is another way atheists try to look for 'God' in all the wrong places. They avoid God by looking for a god-like substitute.
Think of the theories about life starting somewhere in the universe, and then somehow it was seeded here on Earth. The whole theory downgrades God's creation work to that of a mortal creature(or creatures) creating just the life forms on Earth, not the whole entire universe.
Many evolutionary theories go out of their way to avoid saying 'God made it just right to begin with'.

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Evenape In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2015-04-29 18:01:37 +0000 UTC]

Suggesting that the Bible is important shouldn't mean that we should ignore other fields which develop humanity... Faith is profound, science is physical, and they should complement each other

which wouldn't stop me to say Amen to your first long paragraph, obviously

that's the same thing Muslims say about their Quran, and Hindus says about some of their scriptures... It doesn't matter... What matters in scripture is the inherent humanism and morals (which most religions I know do have in theirs)

some though, not all... They are personal, and don't really have any dogmasΒ 
Not even all atheists though of panspermia, especially those theories that some sort of person (sapient aliens) actually do that... More likely, it's just mere comets bringing in valuable biochemicals like water etc to Earth's mix

there's always God behind all this, of that I'm sure

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Evenape [2015-04-29 20:26:31 +0000 UTC]

the truth is though, the Bible has been the source for a quite a few scientific discoveries, particularly in the field of archeology. Creation speaker Buddy Davis referred to the Bible as the history book of the universe, and it very much so. With Genesis telling the beginning, Revelation telling the end, and the other historical and prophetical books filling the gaps in between.

On one site I got on, it pointed out an interesting question:Β  β€œSince all of creation suffers, what purpose would God have in creating non-moral and non-sentient creatures to suffer on distant planets?

Life forms, like the stars in the heavens, are made unto His glory, and man as the center of God's attention needs to look no further than this world to see the glorifying works of God.
Why would God put non-sentient life on other planets, seeing as it hasn't been until this past millennium we've started developing technology to look at the stars?

Few realize that while Darwin popularized the idea of natural selection, it was creationist Edward Blyth that first wrote on it 20-30 years before.
Darwin was the first person of agnostic/atheistic belief to work on the study.
The main difference between Darwin and Blyth: Blyth attributed the changes and variations in nature to God's handiwork, not a whole new godless theory like Darwin presented.
www.icr.org/article/natural-se…
Blyth's study actually ties in more with the modern view of genetic limitations than Darwin's theory ever did!
The only reason Darwin got accepted instead of Blyth was Blyth was a Christian scientist, while Darwin devolved to a state of agnosticism. Atheists ate up his theory because it offered them an alternate origin of the universe, a universe without a pesky deity to tell them what to do.
answersingenesis.org/natural-s…


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