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Dragofelid In reply to StarryOak [2018-01-01 00:04:24 +0000 UTC]

This comment right here
Is so true
Thank you so much
I agree with everything you just said

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StarryOak In reply to Dragofelid [2018-01-01 01:53:53 +0000 UTC]

people want her to be a strong female character, which she is. 
she's just not a good person is all.

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Dragofelid In reply to StarryOak [2018-01-01 01:56:01 +0000 UTC]

I agree
like, at least Heather never did that stuff, this is a reason why Courtney is actually worse than her
and thank you for pointing out everything she has done

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StarryOak In reply to Dragofelid [2018-01-01 06:24:58 +0000 UTC]

i mean i'm sorry, I don't even like Duncan, he's not a particularly good person either, he's a selfish prick, but that doesn't mean that when Courtney hit him he deserved it or anything.

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Dragofelid In reply to StarryOak [2018-01-01 06:57:39 +0000 UTC]

Understandable
I personally like Duncan, but yeah.

here's the thing, a few media types like this have shown abusive relationships and have passed it off as comedy or as something that isn't that bad
having a badass female character who doesn't take shit from anyone is amazing
but not when they are an abusive partner 
especially when it's a female abuser most people ignore that more than if the abuser was a male
if Courtney was a male and Duncan a female, it would be a much more different story

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StarryOak In reply to Dragofelid [2018-01-01 07:40:09 +0000 UTC]

exactly what I mean.
I at least appreciate things like Ed Edd n' Eddy where even though it was often played for laughs, it was also played for horror that the Kankers wanted to be the Ed's girlfriends, I appreciated that their fear, while comedic as the show was comedy, wasn't treated as unreasonable for them to be afraid or for their actions to be ok, just that it was played for comedy like everything else in the show besides that one scene. It's all treated as comedy because everything in the show is, but with them, they do at least treat it as horror that these girls are preying on the main characters. The Kankers were villains, not strong female characters taking charge... though I would argue that they are strong female characters who take charge, it's not that they're strong because they beat up boys and take them hostage or anything, just that they're well written, but still not good people. They're villains, through and through. (sorry if this doesn't make sense to you cause you never saw that show)
It's the same with Sierra, who is very nearly a rapist, while she is played as horror, the fact that Cody actually asks in fear "She can't make me have babies, can she?" is comedy rather than his actual fear that she might make him sleep with her without his consent, which he doesn't give. She molests him outright, and it really is a big problem in all media, and while we should take TD to task for that, it's still just a symptom of society in general, not exactly something that TD invented, the way things are treated. It's just normal for us to treat it that way in media, honestly, and that's a huge issue.

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Dragofelid In reply to StarryOak [2018-01-01 08:59:36 +0000 UTC]

I haven't seen the show but thank you for bringing that up seeing as it's another horrible thing children's media has normalised

I will never like Sierra simply because of how she is around Cody, everything about her crush on undisturbed me, I maybe wouldn't mind her because of her other qualities, but the fact that her biggest trait is her obsession over vistas gone into an area that is not healthy at all.
Most people might say it's just a cartoon, and that many characters have had crushes before, but cartoons are easily influenced by kids, that and there are so many cute crushes in total drama (ie, izzy and Owen, Tyler and Lindsey, even Alexandria and Heather is a better couple) and all if those are far more consensual than Sierra and Cody.
I wish shows would stop normalizing it.
That being said, the most common ship in this trope is the joker and Harley Quinn, which lately people have been making it less than what it actually is.

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StarryOak In reply to Dragofelid [2018-01-01 14:51:02 +0000 UTC]

Well, in the first iteration of Harley and Mr. J, they weren't played as anything but an honest to god abusive relationship at least.

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Dragofelid In reply to StarryOak [2018-01-01 23:20:10 +0000 UTC]

Yeah
I just want media to stop romanticising abusive relationships

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StarryOak In reply to Dragofelid [2018-01-04 01:46:48 +0000 UTC]

That's actually a little bit of what I like about Owen and Izzy and why I hope they rekindle their relationship; because Owen was considering breaking up with her because she was (unintentionally because of her quirks as Izzy, not understanding the implications clearly) hurting him and he wasn't sure about it. But when Izzy broke up with him, he realized he wasn't really wanting them to break up, and that he would miss her, essentially, what he realizes is that they should have a DISCUSSION about this rather than break up, which I found precious; the realization that they should communicate was why Owen was so sad about the breakup and why I feel like he could still work with her.

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Dragofelid In reply to StarryOak [2018-01-04 01:53:36 +0000 UTC]

I LOVE OWEN AND IZZY'S RELATIONSHIP SO MUCH
like, out of all the canon couples on this show, these two have got to be one of the cutest, less rushed of them all (not saying other couples are bad, just saying these two were so natural when it came to feelings)
the two felt open with each other and not really restrictive like a lot of other couples, they felt different but you could see how they clicked, it's such a nice open relationship and I was so sad to see them break up.
I would love for a later season for them two to rekindle their relationship, heck even if they just stay as good friends I would be happy, Owen is so loving but he isn't pushy, he respects boundaries and he cares


I must admit, rewatching the show makes me kinda wanna write my own season fixing up everyone's relationships and characters
but I already have like 50 other projects I want to work on

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StarryOak In reply to Dragofelid [2018-01-04 02:24:45 +0000 UTC]

that's what I mean; like, Izy and Owen breaking up feels like, the thing is, sure, Owen was thinking about breaking up wih her, but he was also clearly wanting to TALK about it, which is such an important thing so few TD couples do, communicate and TALK about their issues and shit.

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Dragofelid In reply to StarryOak [2018-01-04 03:05:18 +0000 UTC]

heck it's a problem for most cartoons and tv shows, even books.
Communication is important, but media shoves it aside
The best media couples are the ones who talk and understand each other

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Dragofelid In reply to Smokestarrules [2017-12-21 01:24:51 +0000 UTC]

yeah same
sometimes she's written well, somtime she's so annoying

I liked her in the first few episodes of TDWT

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