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Dragunov-EX In reply to ??? [2013-01-29 23:22:24 +0000 UTC]
lol your icon looks like hes saying that.
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zatr098 [2012-04-21 14:55:58 +0000 UTC]
least it makes em look cool!! lol
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namezong [2012-04-03 09:41:59 +0000 UTC]
yup, it causes more deaths than terrorism (unless you count wars as state terrorism of course), but it donesnt get that much rues...
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TheBlackTiger96 [2012-03-07 20:34:27 +0000 UTC]
This song describes my sarcastic view on smoking. [link]
Also, it smells. Horribly. :T
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Dragunov-EX In reply to LiveLongButLOL [2012-02-19 13:12:48 +0000 UTC]
yeh, I know. but it dosent matter too much to me.
I mean, I never make grammatical errors in any other demos, but if I make one small error its like people are waiting for me to screw something up. it's quite pathetic.
Im not saying thats what you do though.
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Rkfan1 In reply to Dragunov-EX [2012-03-14 16:04:15 +0000 UTC]
actually i've seen you do it on a few....
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Dragunov-EX In reply to Rkfan1 [2012-03-14 21:31:33 +0000 UTC]
I was exaggerating about the word "never", obviously...
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LiveLongButLOL In reply to Dragunov-EX [2012-02-19 15:47:34 +0000 UTC]
oh okay
meh I only tell people in a more gently way and when I find it by accident XD
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ChinyboI [2012-02-17 20:59:10 +0000 UTC]
DAMN I GOTTA GET ME ONE XDXD jk....smoking is sooo lame
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XZLR8 [2012-02-17 03:24:58 +0000 UTC]
True and it stinks! But to each their own. I HATE HATE HATE it when people nag me about fast food being bad for me. I'm like I know that just let me eat!!! So I respect that part about smokers. But with that said, I think you are right.
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goodboy95 [2012-02-16 22:27:43 +0000 UTC]
Reminds me of what happened at Longs yesterday (a grocery store) when I noticed that cigarettes were in cases behind the counter. I told my mom that i had just noticed this and she responded-
"Never smoke, it's $7.00 a pack. Oh and it causes cancer."
-.-
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to goodboy95 [2012-02-17 01:43:44 +0000 UTC]
SEVEN BUCKS!?
Either that mum be lying or I'd never buy a cigarette package where you live.
(Cost 5 bucks in BorlΓ€nge. 5.2 to be fair.)
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goodboy95 In reply to GABRIEL77CORTEZ [2012-02-17 03:31:18 +0000 UTC]
I live in Hawaii, idk if cigarettes costs are different everywhere lol
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to goodboy95 [2012-02-17 09:42:49 +0000 UTC]
Never going to Hawaii then. O_o
Too much of a cheapskate to travel anyway.
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goodboy95 In reply to GABRIEL77CORTEZ [2012-02-17 20:46:52 +0000 UTC]
People who don't take vacations because cigarettes are too expensive in other areas there scare me.
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Dragunov-EX In reply to goodboy95 [2012-02-17 01:09:39 +0000 UTC]
lolz.
almmost everyone in my family smokes, and its been getting on my nerves lately.
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to quamp [2012-02-17 01:45:19 +0000 UTC]
Tell them that you are allergic and that you could die before they come up to you, and if they refuse to put 'em out or move away then.. Well... Kick them in the genitalia.?
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quamp In reply to GABRIEL77CORTEZ [2012-02-17 04:24:01 +0000 UTC]
Not when these people look like they could easily put me in the hospital.
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quamp In reply to GABRIEL77CORTEZ [2012-02-17 14:37:09 +0000 UTC]
You don't deal a lot with angry idiots, do you?
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quamp In reply to GABRIEL77CORTEZ [2012-02-17 14:57:40 +0000 UTC]
I give up. You'll never get it.
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Dragunov-EX In reply to quamp [2012-02-16 20:24:02 +0000 UTC]
what a bunch of assholes...
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to Dragunov-EX [2012-02-17 01:41:59 +0000 UTC]
Not everyone are assholes though.
When I go to a bus stop and I notice other people are going on the same buss as I will then I put out the cigarette, stay a couple of meters away from them as I smoke, or move away if I feel the urge to smoke.
Not every smoker is by definition a douchebag. :/
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Orion--13 [2012-02-16 03:56:51 +0000 UTC]
Fortunately, people are free to be stupid.
Pretty much everything we do involves risk and deaths - Swimming pools and bicycles kill more people than you would imagine - Alcohol makes tobacco look like a piker when it comes to death. Driving? Wow - HUGE.
This is a great poster and I love mocking smokers as much as anyone (they're very frequently filthy and totally unconcerned with anyone else), just don't try to pass laws with the intention of protecting people from themselves please...
Orion
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to Orion--13 [2012-02-17 01:40:11 +0000 UTC]
Frequently filthy?
Wow, that's harsh, thanks.
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Orion--13 In reply to GABRIEL77CORTEZ [2012-02-17 21:51:40 +0000 UTC]
Sorry to be harsh, but it's accurate. I worked C-Stores for several years. Over 75% of the trash I picked up every day was from smokers throwing it on the ground. I've watched them many, many times pull up NEXT to a trash bin and empty their ashtrays on the ground - and then throw the trash from their car on the ground.
I cannot count the number of times I've gone back and handed a smoker the butt or garbage that they've dumped on the ground. When they come to visit or ride in your car, they end up dumping garbage everywhere including ashes, butts, etc. How often have you watched a smoker throwing their butt and/or other trash out of their car as they drive along?
Not ALL of them, no, but the vast majority of them certainly. I've met a few considerate, neat, and/or tidy smokers, but they are few and far between.
Orion
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to Orion--13 [2012-02-17 23:55:16 +0000 UTC]
God damnit I fucking hate that there is no fucking [edit] button on this place! D:<
Anyway, to add on my latest part:
"This is a great poster and I love mocking smokers as much as anyone (they're very frequently filthy and totally unconcerned with anyone else)"
That part is very negative towards smokers and give us a very bad light.
And to bash a group of people for their life choice is not right.
I don't think you, nor anyone else, should generalize smokers like we're all dicks, filthy and inconsiderate of others.
It just fills other non-smokers heads with a false identity of smokers.
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Orion--13 In reply to GABRIEL77CORTEZ [2012-02-18 00:25:13 +0000 UTC]
Well...You prove my points for me.
Your restaurant example isn't germane - People are not expected to clean their own plates in a restaurant. They ARE expected to not litter.
And you admit that you litter whenever you find it convenient to do so - and then tell me how very clean you are. As I say, you prove my point for me. The fact that there are people who are paid to clean up after pigs who litter does not make it OK to litter. That's why littering is against the law - leaving dirty plates on your table at a restaurant isn't.
You will also note that I did not say ALL - I said the vast majority. Smoking isn't a 'life choice' - it's a habit. I bash people for bad habits whenever. I'm glad your friends are neat. I'm basing my opinion on several decades of observing smokers - My point was not that the ONLY people littering are smokers, just that the majority of the trash that I picked up was smoking related.
I sign my name out of an old habit from the early BBS days back in the late 70's, early 80's.
Orion
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to Orion--13 [2012-02-18 14:33:05 +0000 UTC]
1. My comparison still works. You could very well take 30 seconds to clean your own plate, glass, fork and knife, but you don't. It's not expected off of you to do that, but you could.
2. It's about curtosy, you could help the dishboys/gals to ease their workload by taking care of your own crap in a facet, just like I could hold on to a cigarette butt for the next 100 meters until I find a trashcan.
3. But it wasn't just about cigarette butts and people who clean the streets for a living. It's also about others, who don't smoke and still throw crap on the ground. That "vast majority" who are pigs consist of a lot of non-smokers as well.
4. And I'd say it's a life choice, I make a choice how to live my life with an addiction. How is that not a life choice? (It as habit and addiction as well, but I made that choice with my life)
5. "just that the majority of the trash that I picked up was smoking related." Hm, okay, do you live in a crowded town/city? BorlΓ€nge just has about 50.000 inhabitants so it might be more/less butts on the ground cause of the numbers.
6. BBS days? [link]
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Orion--13 In reply to GABRIEL77CORTEZ [2012-02-19 19:10:43 +0000 UTC]
1: I'm afraid the original comparison does not work. You are comparing a normal cultural expectation (leave the dishes at a restaurant as it's one of the services you pay for as a customer) to something that is against the law (littering). Yes, we pay people to deal with those who break the law and the effects of their law breaking. That does NOT make it OK to break the law.
2: It's not courtesy and in fact would only get in their way and violate the business' insurance policy. Try it some time and see how they react. The cases are not even close to parallel. One involves normal customer behavior, the other involves being a selfish pig. ('I can't be bothered to carry this cigarette butt a WHOLE 100 meters to the trash can! I'll leave it for someone else to clean up FOR me.') Would you be OK if I happened to stop by your house and take a dump on your couch because I couldn't be bothered to walk the 100 m to the next public restroom?
3: There are indeed others who are pigs (I'm always fascinated by people who throw their garbage, old furniture, etc on the side of the road). But the majority of people who are NOT smokers do NOT randomly throw garbage on the streets as a matter of course. Most smokers DO. Especially butts, matches, empty packs and the cellophane wrappers that cover them.
4: If you define smoking as a 'life choice' you can define pretty much anything as a life choice so the term has become meaningless.
5: I've lived and worked in major cities (e.g. Tucson, AZ), small towns (e.g. Midland, MI), and visited across the world. The same observation holds true everywhere, although I'll note an exception in the Middle East. Every country I've been to in that region looks and smells like a dump and the citizens seem to treat it as one.
6: Yeah, I'm dating myself. I was an early BBS Sysop. Ran a very popular board and made a fair amount of cash selling BBS software. Scary, isn't it?
Orion
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to Orion--13 [2012-02-20 04:18:19 +0000 UTC]
1. Maybe we should adapt to a new cultural expectation since so many ignore the old one?
2. A bit too extreme of an example. Dumping a cigarette on the ground which is a half centimeter in diameter and two centimeters in length does not really equate to a sausage of feces on my personal couch. Would I mind it if someone really had to take a shit and he took it right next to my house in the woods? Not really, I'd be pretty disgusted by it and would wonder why he couldn't just knock and ask to use the bathroom, but everyone has to shit, sometimes it's an emergency and you go where you have to go.
3. That we do, I think it becomes part of an instinct that is hard to see when trying to look at oneself objectively. At first when one starts to smoke one might be more inclined to keep the wrapper and empty packs until one gets to a trashcan.
Bue once one has been smoking for some time it just comes as natural to toss it on the ground.
Like putting the toilet seat down or locking the door to the bathroom when you need to tinkle.
I wouldn't say we're filthy though, more of a bad habit.
4. Then what is the term? Way I see if it you decide to live your life by something then it's a life choice. Anyone can choose to quit smoking, it's hard, but it can be done. If someone decides "nah, it's too much work" then they're contempt with their choice in life to be slaves to an addiction.
5. -
6. Bittersweet, on one hand I'm glad I'm young so I can experience a lot of the new technology, but on the other hand I'm saddened that there is so much interesting tech that I never knew about. I thought the internet started in the very very early 90's. Goes to show how little I know.
Anyway, the point goes back to "are we filthy".
And no, we're not "filthy", I wouldn't say that, all smokers I know of are very clean, keeps themselves fresh, their apartments neat und tidy and have good manners.
Some of us (perhaps most, who knows really) might have a really bad habit that has grown into us to toss crap on the ground.
But I wouldn't say that it's "filthy", it's... Selfish.
We are definitely something, but filthy we are not, should keep looking for another word to describe us.
Filthy according to this dictionary site:
1. Covered or smeared with filth; disgustingly dirty. See Synonyms at dirty.
2. Obscene; scatological.
3. Vile; nasty: a filthy traitor.
1. characterized by or full of filth; very dirty or obscene
2. offensive or vicious that was a filthy trick to play
3. Informal chiefly Brit extremely unpleasant filthy weather
I wouldn't say any of this fits into a smoker tossing butts on the ground.
Right?
I'm just annoyed at that comment, we are "filthy", it doesn't suit us.
We need to find another word that can accurately describe us.
I think bad habit or laziness would be an accurate description of our behaviour with our garbage.
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Orion--13 In reply to GABRIEL77CORTEZ [2012-02-23 22:30:34 +0000 UTC]
1: Simply because lots of people do something that is wrong does not make it right. So I think I'll stick with the old expectation that people should take care of their own messes...
2: Deliberately extreme - The point being that in general (non-emergency situations), you should clean up your own messes, not just leave them anywhere because it's convenient for you. But allow me to compliment you on your wordsmithing. Excellent choice of words and imagery there.
3: Again, proving my point, don't you think? It becomes natural afer a while to litter...There is that loss of self-awareness, of cleanliness and courtesy. That's not a good thing.
4: I generally don't use the 'life-choice' term because it has become so diluted. I disagree that habits are anything more than habits - some are hard to break, some are difficult. Bad habits do not need to be particularly respected - whereas I see the choice of a general life style (be it Academic, Artist, Mechanic) generally should be. To me, 'life-choice' means something considerably broader than "this is habit I choose to engage in"
6: Definitely. I wonder about folks like my mother, who was born on a farm without electricity or running water back when an airplane was a box-kite affair and there were perhaps 30 in the world to watching our robots drive around on Mars and people having computers in their pocket that were beyond imagination in her time. How do you ADAPT to that? And that was sort of a proto-Internet. I remember the first time I used IRC was on a teletype terminal in my older brother's High School in 1974.
So...Filthy. I will accept your dislike of the adjective although it has served its purpose of focusing your attention on the matter. I do like selfish, perhaps that is a better word? Litterbugs are generally selfish, but may not be filthy. Can you think of a single adjective that covers selfish and litterbug?
Orion
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to Orion--13 [2012-02-17 23:44:21 +0000 UTC]
Ugh, anyway, the point is: You're generalizing smokers as filthy based on the personal experiences "you" had. Whereas I who am a Smoker with 60% of my friends being Smokers, with 80% of my coworkers being smokers can say that we are not filthy, we are respectful to others rules and if possible we dump our crap in the bin.
On a completely offtopic note; I've always wondered this, why do you (and some others) type in your name at the bottom of each post?
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to Orion--13 [2012-02-17 23:40:14 +0000 UTC]
Also, allow me to give you my perspective about your annoyance with cleaning butts off the ground:
I work in a restaurant, I decided to take on the task of washing the dishes because, well, no one else in the group decided to do it so by the end of each day there was a mountain of crap waiting for us.
Anyway.
I'm not gonna complain at my coworkers or the guests because it adds to my inconvenience that more dishes are brought to me.
This was the task that I accepted to get paid.
If you found it to be really annoying that people tossed crap on the ground outside of where you work, then, well: boohoo?
I know I might seem really hostile with that but really man, you decide what you want to work with, and if you are unhappy with the tasks you must perform then try to find a new job or get another position within the store/company/tribe that you already belong to.
But don't complain when your work task is, among other things, to pick up trash other people toss on the ground.
This is something that you accepted to do as it was ordered by your boss or because it followed the job description.
Is it unnecessary that it gets thrown on the ground?
Sure.
But so is it when the others I work with can't wash crap for themselves.
If someone has a cutting board that's just been used then they could have just washed it off themselves, would've taken them 10 to 15 seconds at most.
But they don't, and I have to take care of it.
Do I complain about it? Do I get annoyed? Do I get frustrated? Nope.
I chose to do the dishes, so I do the dishes.
Since we are both on the internet I can assume we both live in the civilized part of the world.
We have options.
If we are unsatisfied with something then we can get a new job.
Or, we can just tough it out and accept these minor annoyances as they're part of the job and work towards becoming contempt with the idea.
Now, as to the "I've watched them many, many times pull up NEXT to a trash bin and empty their ashtrays on the ground"
That on the other hand is just wrong. That is filthy and unrespectful.
If there is a trashcan in the near 10 meters then I think someone should really toss it in the correct place.
But cigarette butts on the ground?
Not worth getting worked up about.
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GABRIEL77CORTEZ In reply to Orion--13 [2012-02-17 22:42:14 +0000 UTC]
Smokers may litter more but that doesn't mean that other's don't.
I see tons of people toss crap away on the ground, if they were smokers or not, who knows. But non-smokers are pretty filthy as well.
As to visiting or riding in your car, how about simply demanding they don't smoke in it?
My father smoke but whenever he gives me a ride I can't smoke in the car.
Same with over at my friends apartment, he does not like smoking inside, so he forces everyone (and rightfully so) to step out on the balcony to smoke.
And if there is an ashtray nearby I'll dump the butt in there when I'm done, but if I'm out walking I'm not gonna carry around a butt for like 100 meters until I get to a trashcan. Yeah, I might be selfish there, but the same goes for others who don't smoke.
To state that smokers are generally filthy is very narrow minded, not every smoker is a dick who just litters his/her ash and butts everywhere and don't even care to ask a friend if he/she can smoke in their apartment/car.
Hell, tons of my friends, who are generally good people, who are clean and keep their stuff in check, also toss stuff on the ground if there is no trashcan nearby.
And not only my friends, it's not like I'm in a "filthy clique", but others also just dump stuff on the ground.
I don't know where you live but in BorlΓ€nge, along the roads I walk, there is a trashcan maybe every 200 meter.
Sure, I could hold on to the butt until then, but why should I?
There are people that clean the streets for a living, they get paid to clean stuff up.
It's like asking me to clean my plate and silverwear when I go to a restaurant just so that the dishboy/gal won't have as much work to do.
We all make choices of how to make a living, some people clean up streets and they'll clean it up whether or not there are cigarette butts on the ground.
Point is; Not all smokers are dicks, all of my smoker friends are neat and tidy with their apartments and personal posessions and respects non-smokers rules for care and apartments, we also throw the butt into an ashtray or dumpster if there is one nearby when outside.
So the majority are filhty?
Not from my experience.
(And yeah I'll stand by that statement about butts on the ground outside, some people are paid to clean the streets, if it has cigarette butts or not on them doesn't matter, they'll clean them anyway, so it's not that it's filhty about throwing them on the ground, it's practical laziness.)
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Dragunov-EX In reply to Orion--13 [2012-02-16 20:25:58 +0000 UTC]
yeah thats true.
By the way, that first line you made was god-like in humor.
that pretty much describes america today.
"America: Where your free to be stupid."
...
and that's my demo for tomorrow.
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Dragunov-EX In reply to Orion--13 [2012-02-18 14:34:51 +0000 UTC]
yeah, I just need an Idea for a picture...
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Daemonic-Fae [2012-02-16 01:57:33 +0000 UTC]
My mom has smoked since she was younger than me, and the only thing she lost of these was money she paid for it. (I suppose genetically she's more resistant to tobacco smoke?) This may happen to some people who use cigarettes, but should not be treated like it will always be the case. Otherwise, you may as well treat that as the regular for people who eat any junk food (which is addictive and can make you fat), use the computer (It's sitting still and pretty much sitting right in front of the TV), or watch any porn (possible sex addiction, desensitization to harmful fetishes or possibly developing some, possible inability to form "proper" relationships.)
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