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Q36a [2018-08-22 18:43:41 +0000 UTC]
good to know
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Paigely [2015-08-18 13:04:43 +0000 UTC]
I just realized that the only things I did that you just listed was spelling, grammar (I try my best at both), and knowing what happens next X3 (I love Gunnerkrigg Court, I'm not even a teen yet but who cares, if you like it, you like it :3)
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Eyfanna [2015-08-14 20:39:22 +0000 UTC]
It's nice to actually read useful and relevant bitching opinions about things for a change.
Your 5-journals are both educational and interesting.
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nekonotaishou [2015-03-03 22:03:36 +0000 UTC]
Word. The irony is that many of these can be learned quickly if you just read a lot of comics!
A comic making instructor at my school once said: "the fastest way to get good at comics is to read a lot of comics and make a lot of comics".
Those practice comics don't have to be shots at the next great epic, they could just be one page gags, you learn just the same.
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Majnouna [2014-12-22 18:32:34 +0000 UTC]
Isn't it amazing that these things have to be said! Or that anyone would start a comic without knowing enough about the making of comics to be aware of these!
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Ozufox [2014-12-19 09:59:32 +0000 UTC]
I have one small issue with what you're saying, I admit bad grammar pisses me off to the high heavens as well (especially in an officially published and printed piece, I mean, seriously, editors and proofreaders exist for a reason! o^o) but I would never reject a story solely because of this. I've read countless pieces that use the wrong word, or spell something incorrectly, or even completely implode the sentence to near illegibility but have still been amazing reads. Annoying yes, deal breaker? Not entirely, though it IS a let down when I see a really good story that has bad grammar. If it's absolutely horrible then yes, I would sadly have to put it down and move on with my life, but if it's simple errors that still make the meaning of each sentence clear I'm not going to condemn the story right then and there. I can see why you would though. Anyway, you have amazing points, in fact the reason I have yet to upload any comics is because I'm working on these very things ^^.
P.S. I missed these, glad to see they're back : D
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Droemar In reply to Ozufox [2014-12-19 19:10:54 +0000 UTC]
Correct grammar is bare minimum, MINIMUM, a requirement for a story. If you're reading stuff riddled with grammatical errors, I almost guarantee that they're having trouble with finer nuances like pacing, characterization, or something else, and that what's driving the story for you as the reader is either the pretty art or the subject matter alone. (Which is fine, I read a lot TLK fan comics that are well done art-wise, but ridiculous in every other sense.)
Comics with grammatical errors don't get a free pass from me, because the Reader Owes Nothing, and if someone can't be bothered with "we're" and "were", why should I expect they'll care whether I'm satisfied by the ending they promise on the first page?
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Ozufox In reply to Droemar [2014-12-23 01:03:27 +0000 UTC]
That's ignoring the point I'm making, I'm telling you I've read comics that have bad grammar but DO NOT lack in the other major aspects (Characterization, pacing, use of cinematographic principles, base story concept etc.). If they DID lack in those aspects of course I wouldn't read them, they wouldn't be worth my time unless they had humorous aspects that overshadowed or something. They're rare of course, most people who use incorrect grammar also produce sub-par work, but there are a lot of people who simply don't KNOW good grammar, whether it be because they are ignorant or foreign, and those people can produce some amazing works if you give them a chance. There are also those people who are very busy and/or don't have someone else who can proofread their work so they upload the comic online with mistakes they didn't notice, after all they say you can't proofread your own work. I'm not giving these comics a free pass but I wouldn't shut them out just because of grammatical errors, especially if they are freelance work published online and not officially in book form. There are far too many other factors that make a comic good.
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Droemar In reply to Ozufox [2014-12-24 02:57:44 +0000 UTC]
Uh ... no. I'm most emphatically not ignoring your point, I'm calling bullshit on it.
Being a foreign speaker is one thing. If English isn't your first language, you get a pass. But grammar is like the equivalent of putting a bit and saddle on a horse correctly. If your saddle is backward, I can't critique your riding form.
I strongly suspect the works you're talking about have not received legitimate accolades. They might have a fandom and a following, but that's not the same as Niel Gaiman saying Gunnerkrigg Court is fantastic. I also think it's a little insulting to grammatically correct works, who took the time to make the effort, that sloppy spelling and incorrect conjugation are just ignored by readers who don't care. If you don't care you probably deserve the level of storytelling you're getting.
If your singing is awful, you don't deserve a chance. You need to do more voice work. If your writing is grammatically incorrect, you will be laughed at by every professional in the world. It's the equivalent of not knowing scales in music, or first position in ballet. If you think the rules don't apply to you, you probably suck. I GUARANTEE you suck, because I've read the manuscripts of grown-ass adults who think they're God's gift to literature who can't spell or structure a sentence to save their lives.
And I'm fairly certain the comics you're talking about probably suck, if they're written by native English speakers who don't read and can barely write.
There is way, way too much talented work out there to waste time reading shit. I don't have the time to give a crappy writer MY time, just because they barely tried and somehow deserve a chance because of that.
The reader owes nothing.
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Ozufox In reply to Droemar [2014-12-31 12:03:38 +0000 UTC]
Alright, alright, I see your point and to a large extent I agree with it however not entirely. I, for one, know I don't have the greatest grammar in the world and I try very hard to get it correct as much as possible. Truth is you CANNOT proofread your own work and if you won't give a good story a chance then who WILL proofread it? I'm not saying I accept bad grammar I'm only saying that it isn't a deal breaker. Honestly everyone has a right to their own opinion, you're obviously very passionate about this so I don't want to rile you up any further but perhaps a change to the way you word it? Rather than saying bad grammar is unacceptable full stop, say bad grammar from a writer who refuses critique and change on said grammar is unacceptable? Either way it's a debate that could go on forever and I don't feel like arguing because I really don't have a problem with what you're saying, just presenting a different view, surely that isn't a sin. Thank you ^^
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Keaze In reply to Ozufox [2015-04-16 04:17:02 +0000 UTC]
I know this comment is a bit late but bad grammar is essentially like watching a clown jump around the comic. You can say you should ignore it and focus on the story, but it's still embarrassing, ridiculous and distracting.
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Droemar In reply to Ozufox [2014-12-31 18:58:43 +0000 UTC]
If you can't proofread your own work, that's what spellcheck is for, or asking someone to read it with the caveat of "I need this to be proofread for grammar."
If writing like an amateur is all you will ever try to do, being an amateur is all you will ever be.
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Starhorse [2014-12-16 23:05:04 +0000 UTC]
You forgot about the free ball and chain mail-in redemption form.
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BlackDeaWing14 [2014-12-16 21:54:15 +0000 UTC]
I learned my lesson in a few years ago, so, I start to do this more and it makes my life easier with comics ; w;.
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0palite [2014-12-16 05:46:42 +0000 UTC]
yaaaassss theres more and theyre helpful!
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GreyMornArt [2014-12-16 04:29:43 +0000 UTC]
Ahhh it's been a while! I missed these.
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