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paladin-slim [2014-06-08 00:19:15 +0000 UTC]
Is it sad I knew Cordelia had an unrequited crush on Chrom from her first cutscene in Chapter 7 having no prior knowledge about anything in the game or the franchise at all and that she's the Catria archetype?
Because when I saw this lovely creature with eyes for the handsome warrior-prince and that neither was in the others Support log I immediately went "I shall heal your broken heart, fair lady knight! Chrom may not be allowed to love but I will take his place instead so that there will never need for you to be alone!" At least, it sounded like that in my head since what I said aloud was "She's totally wants to get some from Chrom but the game won't let her the hell sense does that make, why make note of it if they can't converse? Well she meets my criteria for the ideal woman; tall redhead with long, divine legs, a great head on her shoulders, and just enough self esteem to make me feel competent. Hello first waifu." Gotta save face, y'know?
Then I saw her S-support confession and heard the words "I thought nothing could warm my heart again..." and said to myself "I'm a MONSTER!!! How could I dare I to be so cruel?!" and deleted my first playthrough shortly afterward out of shame... and other things.
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DromeP In reply to paladin-slim [2014-06-09 00:27:51 +0000 UTC]
So you considered yourself a monster because you liked her for her looks instead of her personality?
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paladin-slim In reply to DromeP [2014-06-09 03:42:13 +0000 UTC]
I felt bad that I had led her on after everything in we had said her support conversations to that point and all I wanted was a piece of ass. I tried to put it out of my mind but then I went to Severa's Paralogue level and she just. Kept. Dying. I didn't know how to upgrade and she needed Ignis to survive it. But when she died it was the worst part of it: "This time...I'm leaving you...behind...mother..." I felt like my character had failed as a parent. Oh and I was not only manipulating her for sex and failing to be a good dad to her fated child, but I was horribly jealous and wouldn't support her with any of her other potential husbands because I wanted her to myself, and in her conversations with Frederick, Stahl, Gaius, Gregor, and Henry (especially Henry since its all about her dealing with the reality of Chrom being forever out of her reach) her arc trying to impress Chrom, trying to prove herself to him, then never having him comes full circle and I didn't want them near her because she "belonged" to me. So yeah I was mean for doing things like that. All that made me feel that I was if not a monster than a shallow, heartless bastard.
Did hellofalot better on subsequent playthroughs.
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DromeP In reply to paladin-slim [2014-06-09 12:56:04 +0000 UTC]
Fair enough.
I enjoy seeing people get so attached to the characters.
To be fair, with any of the Avatar's children, the whole failing as a parent thing is kind of due to being taken over by an evil entity rather than any strictly parental decisions.
TBH, once I pair up characters I almost never let them support with any other characters; partly because it's too much work; partly because if I already have a tank pair up why bother restarting?; partly because I intend to play through again and pair them up with an entirely different unit (I don't do the "cheat" for multiple S supports.)
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Chiba-kun In reply to DromeP [2014-05-21 19:48:05 +0000 UTC]
Well, as far as I could see, the love was definitely there before Avatar proposed. When she made the (supposed) joke about him falling for her, her blushing and flustered speech seemed to betray a genuine affection for him. Additionally, after she accepts, she tells him, "I thought nothing could warm my heart again." After all, their support conversations revolve around her coming to terms with the loss of her fellow Pegasus Knights; the Avi is with her every step of the way. Affection - not only attraction to physical appearance, but for character and familiarity - could have easily stemmed from their genuine friendship. She just felt she had to overcome one last hurtle before she committed.
As for the wistfulness, I do acknowledge that she still lusts for Chrom when she's alone in the barracks even after she's married; then again, none of the other characters' default comments change after their marriages, either. So I blame that more on the development staff than on her.
Then again, Severa mocks Cordelia for her future self's yearnings for him. The way I interpret that, perhaps she lost whatever husband she had, and became closer to Chrom to the point where she fell in love with him, although she knew she could never bring that to fruition. Hell, he could have been the only true friend - or even thing, besides her daughter(s) - she had left at that point.
That's my two cents; the game does leaves quite a bit to the imagination, in regards to the relationships.
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DromeP In reply to Chiba-kun [2014-05-22 16:35:15 +0000 UTC]
(Goes back to reread support conversations)
That's part of it; and there's the different kinds of love of course. In the B conversation I can definitely see the bit of fluster at the "friend" part, and I think that's part of her typical work-around in which she just doesn't say what she really feels or thinks or wants to say. "The thing is" bit from the S support can definitely be attributed to her being unready for such commitment yet either by the Pegasus Knights as you propose in that she is not ready to love and lose as she has again; she needs to rebuild that trust (and this can be affirmed later down the road when she says in the final chapter "Too many times now have I watched loved ones give their lives for me... I must hold on to faith that this time will be different.”)
My line of thinking follows her being unready due to her not wanting to give a half-hearted yes; as if she were living a lie or settling for something other than her dream. And that I partially blame on the voice actress during the confession; it just sounds like she isn't ready to give her whole heart to anyone yet.
And this connects to her constant references to Chrom in the barracks or the DLC. And to me, that represents what's core to her character. She will never not be devoted to him even though she can find herself able to love other men.
"Well, I used to be painfully lonely and in love with a man I could not have. I even dreamt of death... But I found another man who sustains me and a daughter I can be proud of. So trust me—no matter how dark things seem, you will always pull through it."
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Chiba-kun In reply to DromeP [2014-05-22 23:01:11 +0000 UTC]
I understand your thinking; however, as I said, I blame her comments in the barracks and DLC more on the developers than anything else.
Speaking of which, note how Cordelia isn't able to speak to Chrom if she's married in the Summer Scramble pack. When she puts on her bathing suit, she does ponder how her "beloved" would react if he saw her in it. While it could be assumed that said beloved is Chrom, it may also be her lucky spouse. (Although, by this point, he's probably seen her naked )To me, it's more likely a further development mix-up.
Ultimately, we have diverging opinions on the subject: you believe that Cordelia wasn't truly in love with the Avatar until after the marriage, while I believe she was fully and deeply in love with him for a long time before it. So, let's just agree to disagree.
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DromeP In reply to Chiba-kun [2014-05-23 16:26:20 +0000 UTC]
I'm willing to bury the hatchet, but your summer scramble point kind of backs up mine. By that point, they're already married and the love has blossomed.
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what came first; at the end of the day they're together and that's all that matters.
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Azrael-Von-Jaeger [2014-03-12 18:33:11 +0000 UTC]
Romantisme oui ,mais pas des deux cotés ^^
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DromeP In reply to Azrael-Von-Jaeger [2014-03-13 00:07:43 +0000 UTC]
(Using Google translate)
Oh, bonjour à nouveau mon ami français!
Oui, c'est bien triste que Cordelia ne l'aime pas au début, mais j'aime à penser qu'elle pousse à l'aimer réellement plus chaque jour plutôt que de se contenter de lui.
[Oh, hello again my French friend! Yes, it is sad that Cordelia does not love him initially, but I like to think that she grows to actually love him more each day rather than just settling for him.]
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Azrael-Von-Jaeger In reply to DromeP [2014-03-14 16:58:29 +0000 UTC]
Brady and maribelle give me some train
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