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e--l--m--o In reply to Njasha [2010-11-27 01:33:01 +0000 UTC]

haha. ciel and lizzy are canon
I hope there'd be a happy ending too, but i doubt it since kuroshitsuji is a quite a dark story. but it's more of a detective manga with an extra dark twsit to it

Ciel has a crush on Lizzy. and ignore what the CielSeb yaoi fans say, they'll never admit it, but it's true.
Even sebastian ciel regarding it throughout the manga, himself.
lol, i am amused at the fact that seb likes cute suff as well, and i have the slightest feeling that the thinks that CielLiz is very adorable too

Oh! and the recent chapter of Kuroshitsuji is somewhat CielLiz! yay!

Sorry, but i have to say that the second season of kuroshitsuji is Cr*p. Much rather read the manga. However the bonus is that the cielliz segments in the anime were cute


lol, long rave
thanks, i'll finish it oneday XD

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Njasha In reply to e--l--m--o [2010-11-29 19:45:11 +0000 UTC]

Oh, such a long answer...^^
Hm, if you were right... I'd be more interested in Kuroshitsuji, but...
I've just read the first manga and some fan doujinshis... omg... I really DON'T like Yaoi, but it's EVERYWHERE! It's an invasion!!!O______O That's CREEPY!!! Why does every character has to be gay?! And a pervert?! *losing it* xD And I have to say, that there are really many "hints" (-____-) in this manga... I think the mangaka knew what the fans would do with it, maybe even appreciates it?O.o
But if you say so, well... Maybe it's really only the fandom.

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e--l--m--o In reply to Njasha [2010-11-30 09:50:14 +0000 UTC]

lol, yes, i do not like it when fans put non-yaoi characters and turn them yaoi.
Though i do understand it's the fandom, and a trend these days
I just can't get in to it either, but i can't stop people's preferences.

The thing with Kuroshitsuji is that it's not exactly a Yaoi Manga, BUT the twist is, that it APEALS a lot to the Yoai fandom
You wanna know why? because Yana Toboso (the mangaka) is acctually a yaoi fan, and in her early works, she did shorter stories but yaoi.
Kuroshitsuji is her first Non-yaoi Manga(i guess you could call it that), but to keep it alive AND in her own interests, it appeals to to yaoi fans and NON yaoi fans. (you see, this is a trick a lot of mangaka's these days use to gain popularity among fans, and pairing shippers and stuff XD)

Ciel is straight. He relies on Seb because lets face it, he's useless = =!
Seb, well i don't think he loves anything. as in love love.
The reason he's "loves' ciel, is because he want's his soul, So in my opinion, Seb see's Ciel as his 'food' love (and really that is proven in the second series of the anime, after ciel turned into a demon and seb just despised him.), as uniquely delicious soul he wants to devour. (and there,yes, they have a very hard to break Kizuna)

Ciel and lizzy is different, Ciel keeps on saying "it's just resposibility blah blah blah....". Yes, he might have the resposibility, but comon, his personality is 'act like you don't care, but you do', and in certain cases it shows through, the things he likes and care about, and just 'resposibility'. You can have both, and with lizzy, he does like her, he want's to protect her from his heart, AND it's not just like family, it's because does love her as his fiance and his knowing future wife.

Things that i notice with ciel is, he doesn't like 'other' people touching him, like hugging or just getting close, he feels uneasy. Lizzy is the only (human)person that could hug/glomp/kiss/anything with ciel. One thing i think he's uneasyness around people is that he feels his personal space voilated. Now i think Ciel loves Lizzy for her innocence and she's still 'pure'. It shows in the way that he likes likes 'white roses' pure and untainted, therefore if you apply to lizzy, he wants to protect her from being hurt and never go through anything like he went through. I think i like the Ciel with lizzy the most, because that's when i can see him relax and maybe smile a bit and not be around those dark dirty matters he has to push himself into, and really, no-one can make him do that appart from Lizzy.

In my opinion, most people don't see cielLiz because 1) they like SebCiel (they're aoi fans, ofcourse they'd hate any girl) 2) They dislike Lizzy herself (i mean, she's 12 and you expect her to act like an 18yr old?)

I just hink Lizzy's misunderstood in many ways, people fail to see/believe her more deeper side. And frankly she doesn't appear enough too (but that's not an excuse)
Also, although Yana Toboso is a Yaoi fan she has dropped many hints of CielLiz CP. Seb even thinks it's cute himself, and in 3 occasions in the manga, he has teased Ciel about it.... sighs.....but anyway, i'm not about to argue with anyone, i read Kuroshitsuji because i like the detective side of it, and the caracters are intersting. I like Seb in his own right, and Ciel too, but i ship CielLiz *shruggs*.

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Njasha In reply to e--l--m--o [2010-12-03 16:45:38 +0000 UTC]

Wow, impressive argumentation.xD I can never write as much as you do...>< *oh noes* But okay, you've definitely convinced me.;D
Oh, maybe... I don't know if you are even able to open the page, but however:
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That's the same, maybe this might work:
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It's a german page, but an English Kuro-Doujin.
Oh, I've just discovered, it's also partly (!) on dA:
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It's shonen-ai... and some yaoi... =___=... but the rest is really awesome. And there are some lovely Lizzy scenes. And the drawings are great and the story is really good. One of the few fan stories I read although it's yaoi. Maybe you like it, too. This originally called my attention to Kuroshitsuji.^^
Thanks for your effort.^-^

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e--l--m--o In reply to Njasha [2010-12-04 14:13:49 +0000 UTC]

i think i'll have trouble getting into the fandom of shounen-ai
But good try !
I think i'd much rather read the manga XD
I'm looking forward to the recent chapters coming, Lizzy's involved and there's a new character with the family

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e--l--m--o In reply to Lyra-Elante [2010-05-19 08:30:16 +0000 UTC]

thankyou i need to finnish it though

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