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Published: 2009-07-06 21:14:00 +0000 UTC; Views: 7244; Favourites: 24; Downloads: 76
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Description Here it is page 2 of A Knight In Diapers. More action all pretty and in color.

I see the spelling error I tried to fix it, DA won't let me at this point for some reason.
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spartan38 [2015-04-02 19:56:24 +0000 UTC]

Something new.

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Pink-Diapers [2009-07-10 12:41:26 +0000 UTC]

Well I certainly meant everything I said, it really is good work. So I'm going to give you a little criticism. Please don't take this as insult it's not meant to be that way, and since your persueing this at a career (as am I) and your into the AB/DL thing (we need to stick together), I want to try and be a helpful as I can. So...

The one major rule I try to keep in mind when I'm doing my thumbnails (this is small 2x2 sketches for folks who might not know) I keep in mind "what's the most important panel on the page?" Then When I figure this out, I make that panel the biggest. Andy Kubert told me this at a comic con and It's something that I think has helped improve my work greatly. Working in the Newspaper panel format is fine if it helps your gutters look clean but once they're put together on your page it can look a little to linear and static. One large panel, I think, would make your page pop a lot more. I don't want to mess with your methods but if you have the opportunity or the funds try picking up some 11X17 inch (not sure what this is in metric if your not from the US) comic board or bristol sheet and work out your whole page. (this I realize is a pain if your scanner is 8X11 inches, cuz you have to scan in sections). If you can't or you don't want to do this, try drawing one or two of your panels a bit bigger on seperate paper and see how they look.

My only other suggestion (and this is something i'm not that great at myself) is work on you backgrounds and your perspective. Prespective is the most boring and math-like part of comics and drawing in general but, it makes you art look waaaay more perfessional. There's lot of stuff online about how to do it well.

Thanks for letting me rant a bit I hope I didn't come off as being too harsh, I like your style a lot. Also I'm rounding the big 3-0 myself so I know it can seem like your on the clock, just keep doing what your doing, you've got a good start.

Thanks for letting me voice my opinions, I hope I was at least a little bit helpful.

Pink

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Elven-Dreamer In reply to Pink-Diapers [2009-07-10 21:21:07 +0000 UTC]

I appreciate Your advice.(if you had said "you suck stop drawing right now" I would have been offended, but Sound advice is always welcome and appreciated) And you are right, We AB/DL people do need to stick together. As do Artists.

Actually I have got the same advice about one Key pannel from Omar Doagan(:devomardogan of Udon fame. I had meant to release these one strip at a time...then changed my mind. I going to keep doing it the same way for the rest of the chapter as there isn't terribly much left of it for the sake of consistancy (otherwaise I would have switched over to comic book format when I decided to post these as pages rather than as strips) I have some full size comic paper already waiting for me to draw on it. ^_^ Another easy way to scan large format pages is to take them to staples and reduce them down to a scannable size on a photocopier.

As to backgrounds and Perspective, I realize this is one of my weak points which is why I have been making an effort to include them (And to improve on them) on each page.

One of the pieces of advice I got from professionals that I have shown my work to is also to try to add texture to my objects so that even in black and white line art it is aparent what the material something is made out of is.

Thanks for taking the time to comment and offer the advice. It is greatly appreciated.

Out of curiosity Would you be interested in taking a commission to do a chapter cover for the comic?

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Pink-Diapers In reply to Elven-Dreamer [2009-07-13 22:32:43 +0000 UTC]

Oh there was one piece of advice I forgot to add, "you suck, stop drawing right now!"

No! I kid, I kid, because I love.

I should have figured you had heard that before about the one panel. It's pretty obvious for an experienced artist. But, thank you for letting me rant, I need to be humored once in a while.

Also feel free to give me as much advice or insight as you would like on my pages, I certainly welcome it!

I would be very interested in doing a cover for you. The only thing I ask is a short summery of the chapter to come (or to see the finished issue if you have it done) before hand, this way I can do something aproprate. If you already have a layout idea that's cool too.

It'll be super-fun to work together!

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Elven-Dreamer In reply to Pink-Diapers [2009-07-14 19:55:25 +0000 UTC]

XD

Sweet. You are more than welcome to rant any time you please. Good advice is worth hearing many times.

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Pink-Diapers [2009-07-07 11:52:36 +0000 UTC]

In this post, just so you know, I'm going to geek out on you with comic crafting talk. What I love about your pages (this and the first one) the most, aside from the colors, which are wonderful, is your pacing. The characters move fluidly and are drawn consistantly from panel to panel (that's sort of basic but I've seen a lot of "Professional" artists who can't do it as well). The comic reads well and the action is high impact but not too "out of the blue" that I don't know what's going on. Your gutters (Space between the panels for folks who might not know) are clean and well spaced. Overall I think it's a great page.

I do have one suggestion but I don't want to com off as critical so I'll ask permission first. May I offer you some advice? If not I can certainly respect that. Let me know.

And great work really.

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Elven-Dreamer In reply to Pink-Diapers [2009-07-08 06:44:05 +0000 UTC]

Critique is always welcome. As is totally geeking out.

I'm very glad that the pacing is working it's one of the things I tend to need work on(that and Cinematography and composition).I do believe that it seemed to flow better than some of my previous works as I am actually following a script that I wrote this time around.

I think the gutter thing has very much to do with the fact that these started as newspaper style comic boards and I was following pannel guide lines on that and then arranging them with decent spacing in a page lay out in Manga studio.

I am trying to eventually do this as a profession (and given the fact that I'm almost 30 I'm trying to pull up my socks and put forth a concentrated effort) and I can't do that if I can't hear the advice and criticism that people offer me. So please offer any advice that you want to give when ever you please on any of my work. It's the only way I can improve.

Thank you for all the wonderful things you have said so far, it means a great deal to me that someone has though about my work enough to write a paragraph.

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luvinanime25 [2009-07-06 22:01:59 +0000 UTC]

nice....the diapers will come in yes, but not too quickly and not too late. atleast i think

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Elven-Dreamer In reply to luvinanime25 [2009-07-07 04:30:58 +0000 UTC]

Pretty much. At least one character ends up in Diapers before the end of the first chapter.

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luvinanime25 In reply to Elven-Dreamer [2009-07-08 02:00:43 +0000 UTC]

so then, there might be a boy and girl diapered, and not just the knight. nice....waiting for the third part for another reason now.

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Elven-Dreamer In reply to luvinanime25 [2009-07-08 06:44:38 +0000 UTC]

heh my lips are sealed

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luvinanime25 In reply to Elven-Dreamer [2009-07-09 00:47:58 +0000 UTC]

* 's playfully and smiles* AWWWWWW POOPIE

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Skullmummy [2009-07-06 21:54:04 +0000 UTC]

YAY, good second page I like the colors.

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Elven-Dreamer In reply to Skullmummy [2009-07-07 04:31:19 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. I'm pretty proud of how they turned out.

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